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Will 8k Tvs be ready for next gen?
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I hope not. Stop the resolution wars next gen and focus on frame rates. 8K isn't something I'm excited about really
We can agree then that 4K 60 FPS is very difficult on XB1X and Pro. I even doubt that 4K 60 will be the norm next gen. 8K in AAA games is a far off dream for probably 2030 consoles but even then 8K imo is a waste of resources.
I read somewhere that there is a BIG difference in 4k being upscaled to 8K...in comparison to what we have seen with 1080p content upscaled to 4k display.
So that gets me juiced enough for now.
But also the fact that ASTC 3.0 should be available soon and that it supports 8k over the air channels. Well, we'll have way more 8k tvs for sale...and that should help with prices.
I'm hoping to get a 8K TV when I get my PS5. I would use it for
8K BluRay movies
Rewatch certain 4K BluRay movies, upscaled this time.
Play launch PS5 games, upscaled to 8K. I think there will be a few 8K native games that are not graphics intensive. Like we had with 1080p games on the PS3 launch. Also maybe certain sports games will play in 8k...like how NBA The Inside and NBA 2k were 1080p at launch... then later NBA 2k supported 4k native when the Pro was first available.
Anyway we'll see. I don't think there will be an affordable 8K OLED, like I would want at the PS5 launch... but I wouldn't mind getting a TCL 8K for a year.
Yes, I'm an optimist. :D
So that gets me juiced enough for now.
But also the fact that ASTC 3.0 should be available soon and that it supports 8k over the air channels. Well, we'll have way more 8k tvs for sale...and that should help with prices.
I'm hoping to get a 8K TV when I get my PS5. I would use it for
8K BluRay movies
Rewatch certain 4K BluRay movies, upscaled this time.
Play launch PS5 games, upscaled to 8K. I think there will be a few 8K native games that are not graphics intensive. Like we had with 1080p games on the PS3 launch. Also maybe certain sports games will play in 8k...like how NBA The Inside and NBA 2k were 1080p at launch... then later NBA 2k supported 4k native when the Pro was first available.
Anyway we'll see. I don't think there will be an affordable 8K OLED, like I would want at the PS5 launch... but I wouldn't mind getting a TCL 8K for a year.
Yes, I'm an optimist. :D
Naw, some peeps here can't even tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. Gaming doesn't need 8K anytime soon. We need beefier hardware for 4K 60fps on high/ultra settings equivalent to PC configurations.
Do people obsessed with this stuff ever get tired of running on the treadmill? You'll get 8K and immediately start wanting 16K or whatever the next invention from tech companies trying to make money will be.
I find the whole thing so bizarre. Especially when it's so inconsequential as to whether the game you're playing is actually any good.
I find the whole thing so bizarre. Especially when it's so inconsequential as to whether the game you're playing is actually any good.
The entire purpose of the human race is to continually create technology that is better than the last. Nothing bizarre about it.
I can see 8K televisions being in the state 4K was a few years ago by near the end of the PS5 and Xbox 4 life cycle
Definitely not available at launch, but can't say mid gen, the way tech moves can be pretty blinding. With 5g out of no where wont be surprised TVs makers don't jump on the wagon pretty soon.
Why do I get a feeling a thread like this was made before the launch of PS4one and four years later we get the pro and xbx
Why do I get a feeling a thread like this was made before the launch of PS4one and four years later we get the pro and xbx
Reducing the purpose of the human race to creating better technology for the sake of media consumption is just about the most depressing thing ever.
If you think those indie devs are going to push out 8K support for a small portion of people, when they have got countless other more crucial area to focus their resources on, something is wrong with you.
In a generation that is only just catching up to 4K now, I doubt there will be a big push for it off the bat. The same happened with 1080p, where most console games were still 720p as a sweet spot, with only undemanding games that could do 1080p. There are a handful of pure 4K games and checker board rendered 4K games, but they only came after full hardware revisions.
In the case of PC, sure if you have a monster PC with Dual 2080Tis this could be possible, but for the mainstream don't bet on it.
In the case of PC, sure if you have a monster PC with Dual 2080Tis this could be possible, but for the mainstream don't bet on it.
8k is a pointless upgrade that the tv companies will push the hell out of and will fail to gain any traction. Absolutely, utterly pointless, and a waste of resources and effort.
yeah, super audio CD was a huge success, wasn't it? the only thing that happens "every time" is that eventually people stop caring about infinitely small quality changes.
i've seen a bunch of 8K TVs running native content. it's cool if you stand up close but the vast majority of people will not give a shit in a living room environment, and there is no chance of a significant number of studios shifting their production workflows to accommodate it in the next decade.
and that's before we even get into games, where there are a million obvious areas of improvement to go down before burning all your GPU power on a resolution difference that very few people will ever even notice.
and i just want to highlight this bit because it shows that you're not really in touch with reality:
this is extremely untrue. the industry standard digital cinema camera records at sub-3K resolution with a view to producing 2K masters. not many movies are shot in 4K even (unless you count 35mm film scans), and the chance of most major studios moving to 8K as a standard in the near-to-mid future is zero. most 4K blu-rays just output a 1080p image at higher bitrates with HDR, which shows you how important most people consider pure resolution to be.
you might get netflix doing it as a publicity stunt before anyone else, but the equipment and workflows just aren't there yet. one of the closest things to a mainstream movie being shot in 8K is infinity war/endgame, which used digital IMAX cameras based on the alexa 65, which is roughly 6K and about as practical for regular movies as 65mm cameras were back in the day. james gunn used an 8K RED camera for guardians vol 2, too, but even that was mastered in 2K.
Can't wait for those 8k games with post processing that softens the image so much it makes them look like 1080p.
A total waste of resources
A total waste of resources
How the hell has this thread made it to 7 pages?
Simple answer. HELL NO.
You shouldn't have bought a crappy early 4k model and definitely shouldn't get a crappy early 8k model. Get a good 4k OLED screen now and be happy with that for at least 5-8 years.
Simple answer. HELL NO.
You shouldn't have bought a crappy early 4k model and definitely shouldn't get a crappy early 8k model. Get a good 4k OLED screen now and be happy with that for at least 5-8 years.
Add Raytracing into the mix and you won't have 8k for a long-ass time.
TVs will come, but content (games)? Hah.
TVs will come, but content (games)? Hah.
That's not what he said.
Display tech is just another thing we continously improve, among countless others.
Call me crazy but I just don't see it happening. There must be a limit to the number of pixels you can physically squeeze into a given space, and a limit to the difference it makes to your eyes.
Jumping the gun a little, lol. Why would we even want 8K games? Almost nobody will own an 8K TV by the time the next gen arrives. There are bigger priorities than sheer resolution, like performance, AI, environmental scale and complexity... Wouldn't it be better for developers to spend their resources on those things, rather than making ultra high res assets?
Also, why don't we wait until 4K with a rock solid 60fps is the industry standard before worrying about 8K?
Also, why don't we wait until 4K with a rock solid 60fps is the industry standard before worrying about 8K?
This makes the same bad assumptions that most people do when claiming that higher resolutions are no longer necessary -just as we heard when 4K was new- that there is no point in increased resolution unless you can discern individual pixels on the display.
This is obviously flawed: on an ideal display, you would never be able to see pixels. The distances on most of the charts/guides out there are often half of what they should be.
Actual studies have shown that the point where image "realness" peaks is around 100 pixels per degree. It is not the upper limit, but the point where significantly diminishing returns kick in.
As such, there should still be a benefit to 8K displays if you have large displays or sit close to your display.
I really don't see a need for anything beyond 8K outside of VR though. I doubt it would even be necessary with projectors when you factor in the distance you have to sit for a comfortable field of view.
Here's the chart I produced based on 100 PPD
Note that anything in-between two values favors the higher resolution, not the lower one.
If you have a 75″ display and sit some where in-between 1.05m and 2.39m, you would benefit from 8K - even if you would not receive the full benefit of that resolution.
That wasn't even about "infinitely small changes".
SACD and pretty much all other "high res" audio is a scam. CD-quality audio already covers the entire range of human hearing.
But sometimes you get high quality remasters released on other formats, and people confuse the mastering with the audio format when they compare it against their old CD (different master).
The one thing which has an audible difference is 16-bit vs 24-bit audio.
With playback devices at high volumes, there is an audible difference, but only in that there is less "hiss" in the background.
The difference it makes with properly mastered audio tracks is almost zero. I'd prefer 24-bit audio over 16-bit if I have the option, as it can avoid some issues with improper mastering, but I won't pay extra for it.
The one advantage SACD, DVD-Audio, and Blu-ray Audio tracks have is that they are offered in multi-channel formats.
But most people don't seem to care for surround sound with music.
TV manufacturers will easily make 8K TVs look mainstream in the next couple of years because they need to keep sales going and customers being sheeple that they are, will line up to buy 8K TVs and replace their perfectly fine 4K sets.
Problem is, gaming content wont be ready for 8K, so we'll be stuck with 4K consoles but only 8K tvs on the market.
Just like we played Xbox 360 on 1080p TVs, PS4 on 4K TVs, and then PS5 on 8K TVs. I really wish that perfect pixel scaling in TVs became mandatory so we wouldn't have to suffer horrible upscaling ever again.
Problem is, gaming content wont be ready for 8K, so we'll be stuck with 4K consoles but only 8K tvs on the market.
Just like we played Xbox 360 on 1080p TVs, PS4 on 4K TVs, and then PS5 on 8K TVs. I really wish that perfect pixel scaling in TVs became mandatory so we wouldn't have to suffer horrible upscaling ever again.
What I mean by that is that only very simple games will be able to support 8K. I think its obvious for everyone here that an actual indie dev with a tiny budget probably won't bother.
Recent history suggests that this is not a foregone conclusion. Remember that year Sony spent most of their E3 conference talking about stereo 3D because it was the next big thing in TVs? Flash forward to today, and everyone has given up on it. And unlike 8K, there was actually 3D content available.
One of the interesting issues around 8K is that you also have companies trying to develop MicroLED panels as the next big thing. As it stands today, pixel density and per-pixel costs are big challenges for MicroLED, making 8K panels much further off than 4K ones. So what happens if MicroLED TVs come along offering OLED black levels with far higher brightnesses and no ABL or burn-in risk, but they are only commercially viable in 4K resolution? If I had to decide between that and 8k on existing panel types, I know which one I'd pick.
Upgrade once HDMI 2.1 becomes standard on 4K TVs. That is going to give you a lot more benefit next gen than 8K.
I'd even go as far as saying 4K TV with native 120 Hz refresh with HDMI 2.1 with VRR support. These are way more important than 8K.
