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Why women criticise sexualised character designs | OT3 | "make her look more...corpulent, more stuffed where the eyes can't escape."

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cartographer

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Persephone said:
playing SWTOR and it's not bad in general (so far) but the female running animation is lol
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I played a lot of SWTOR once upon a time (and a little recently). I enjoy it for what it is, but it happens to have one of my most annoying cases of skimpy armor I can remember.

Armor modes in that game work by having a bunch of different texture areas and 3d parts checked to display or not based on wearer. It's practical for things like Twileks when it comes to wearing hooded chest pieces and such, or to not display the good with most helmets etc.

In the case of a lot of the skimpy armor in the base game, the skimpy version that female characters were forced to use just unchecked certain areas to make it look like a bra or cutoff or whatever. The actual full model already worked on all the female body types, it just wasn't available for players to use. You used to be able to trick the preview window into showing you full version for most of these items and they looked and worked fine.
 
electricmastro

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I like Irene's design from Troubleshooter. Cute, but with confident dignified style to it.

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Protoman200X

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PlanetSmasher

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RecLib

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VHS is out now, with the name changed to Video Horror Society. But anyway:

There are three girls on the starting roster. I've been playing faith, the one on the left in this image so she's got a bunch of custom outfit choices made, the others are their default appearances.

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I've decked faith out in a lot more pride stuff than I'll probably keep on, but I think I'll keep the bangles and the shoes, want a different shirt that same shade of blue without the rainbow.

Oh the werewolf is canonically a girl too, and It is really sad that her appearance just being a regular werewolf is actually an exception that needs to be mentioned in gaming. What with the horrors of warcraft out there.

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Forgive the image quality, I'm running the thing on a laptop that can not run it at high graphics.
 
ConVito

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RecLib said:
VHS is out now, with the name changed to Video Horror Society. But anyway:

There are three girls on the starting roster. I've been playing faith, the one on the left in this image so she's got a bunch of custom outfit choices made, the others are their default appearances.

4sYCm2Z.png


I've decked faith out in a lot more pride stuff than I'll probably keep on, but I think I'll keep the bangles and the shoes, want a different shirt that same shade of blue without the rainbow.

Oh the werewolf is canonically a girl too, and It is really sad that her appearance just being a regular werewolf is actually an exception that needs to be mentioned in gaming. What with the horrors of warcraft out there.

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Forgive the image quality, I'm running the thing on a laptop that can not run it at high graphics.
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Love the center outfit. And the overall vibe is really comforting for me.
 
waterpuppy

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So Guild Wars 2 recently put out an update that added and redesigned a lot of big things. They also retouched this old enemy/npc type called Watchknights (as well as the consumable tonics that allow your character to take on their appearance). Extremely minor in the grand scheme of a huge update.
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But of course some people are crying about how this means Anet are injecting politics into the game and hate women who have big boobs.
 
ItsmeJeff

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waterpuppy said:
So Guild Wars 2 recently put out an update that added and redesigned a lot of big things. They also retouched this old enemy/npc type called Watchknights (as well as the consumable tonics that allow your character to take on their appearance). Extremely minor in the grand scheme of a huge updat
But of course some people are crying about how this means Anet are injecting politics into the game and hate women who have big boobs.
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Overall pretty decent improvement,though minor like you said in the grand scheme of things, and people will keep whining that every improvement on female character designs "WoKe", "PoLiTical" lol🤣
 
Warrior of Light

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Ah, gotta love the whole "you're actually the one discriminating against women!" rhetoric that tries to flip the tables and accuse criticism of sexist female character design of being body shaming or "slut shaming" if it's about how they're dressed, as if these characters were somehow actual women and not men's depictions of women without input from actual women.
 
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waterpuppy

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Warrior of Light said:
Ah, gotta love the whole "you're actually the one discriminating against women!" rhetoric that tries to flip the tables and accuse criticism of sexist female character design of being body shaming or "slut shaming" if it's about how they're dressed, as if these characters were somehow actual women and men's depictions of women without input from actual women.
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Exactly. In this case it's even more ridiculous considering the design in question is a bunch of robots.
 
Isilia

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I get the body shaming thing a lot online by accusing me of being sexist to women in real life.

But it's like, real life is their body their choice. I'm not going to care about it then, as they get to choose how to live their own life with their own body.

Game characters don't get a choice. They are designed to look that way. They also are not human. They are art on a screen, a model on a plane, etc.

It also doesn't matter if a woman designed Butt McBoobs, either. Stop using that as a crutch for your horny waifus.
 
TheEchosOfTheCyborg

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Warrior of Light said:
Ah, gotta love the whole "you're actually the one discriminating against women!" rhetoric that tries to flip the tables and accuse criticism of sexist female character design of being body shaming or "slut shaming" if it's about how they're dressed, as if these characters were somehow actual women and men's depictions of women without input from actual women.
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There's a type of ally I've notice that is basically, "I support women as long as it also benefits me" and I've seen this argument being used by this type of "ally" several times.

I'm basically meaning that they care or at least to pretend to care about the treatment of women (both in fiction and in real life) as long as the results means more porn, sexy or benefits them. The moment it doesn't like discussing how not all women have to be traditionally sexy or be sexualized at all (or in RL cases, when a woman says they don't like wearing revealing clothing or a pornstar talks about poor working conditions or lack of benefits) the suddenly turn.
 
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waterpuppy said:
So Guild Wars 2 recently put out an update that added and redesigned a lot of big things. They also retouched this old enemy/npc type called Watchknights (as well as the consumable tonics that allow your character to take on their appearance). Extremely minor in the grand scheme of a huge update.
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But of course some people are crying about how this means Anet are injecting politics into the game and hate women who have big boobs.
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A nice change! I remember doing this part of the Living World and my wife actually saying to me out loud "why do the clock women have giant tits?"
 
MikeProtagonist

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*sigh* So I've been following a Youtube creator to get insight into some classic shmups and there's a lot of fine and knowledgable discussion about that... and then out of the blue he's posting a video about how insulted he is that Digital Foundry considers that upcoming Eve game a game with outdated character designs, and that sexy characters are super fine actually because he knows a lot of women. I stopped watching as I didn't care to know where he was going with that.

I don't understand why niche Youtube creators limit their audience like that, that's not even related to their niche. He could have just kept quiet and not alienated a lot of people. I doubt a ton of alt right bros are suddenly going to get heavily into Battle Garegga and Radiant Silvergun.
 
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MikeProtagonist said:
*sigh* So I've been following a Youtube creator to get insight into some classic shmups and there's a lot of fine and knowledgable discussion about that... and then out of the blue he's posting a video about how insulted he is that Digital Foundry considers that upcoming Eve game a game with outdated character designs, and that sexy characters are super fine actually because he knows a lot of women. I stopped watching as I didn't care to know where he was going with that.

I don't understand why niche Youtube creators limit their audience like that, that's not even related to their niche. He could have just kept quiet and not alienated a lot of people. I doubt a ton of alt right bros are suddenly going to get heavily into Battle Garegga and Radiant Silvergun.
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Ah, you're referring to The Electric Underground.
 

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Shumps are a hard genre to get into in that regard. Don't know what about the gameplay in them that made it turn into "sexy women/children" but it's not even a new thing. I don't really like being dismissive towards "anime" influences but is it really just the all encompassing need to cater to otaku in that space?
 
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apathetic said:
Shumps are a hard genre to get into in that regard. Don't know what about the gameplay in them that made it turn into "sexy women/children" but it's not even a new thing. I don't really like being dismissive towards "anime" influences but is it really just the all encompassing need to cater to otaku in that space?
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"Gotta sell 150 dollar figmas somehow"
 
ArjanN

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apathetic said:
Shumps are a hard genre to get into in that regard. Don't know what about the gameplay in them that made it turn into "sexy women/children" but it's not even a new thing. I don't really like being dismissive towards "anime" influences but is it really just the all encompassing need to cater to otaku in that space?
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I think it's mostly that Shmups are super niche. Like, sub-visual novel niche. When you're selling like 5000 copies I imagine it becomes really tempting to pander to otaku even if that's still a pretty limited audience.
 
ItsmeJeff

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Isilia said:
I get the body shaming thing a lot online by accusing me of being sexist to women in real life.

But it's like, real life is their body their choice. I'm not going to care about it then, as they get to choose how to live their own life with their own body.

Game characters don't get a choice. They are designed to look that way. They also are not human. They are art on a screen, a model on a plane, etc.

It also doesn't matter if a woman designed Butt McBoobs, either. Stop using that as a crutch for your horny waifus.
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EXACTLY, well explained👏
 
ItsmeJeff

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TheEchosOfTheCyborg said:
There's a type of ally I've notice that is basically, "I support women as long as it also benefits me" and I've seen this argument being used by this type of "ally" several times.

I'm basically meaning that they care or at least to pretend to care about the treatment of women (both in fiction and in real life) as long as the results means more porn, sexy or benefits them. The moment it doesn't like discussing how not all women have to be traditionally sexy or be sexualized at all (or in RL cases, when a woman says they don't like wearing revealing clothing or a pornstar talks about poor working conditions or lack of benefits) the suddenly turn.
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I agree with this 100%😤
 
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Warrior of Light said:
Ah, gotta love the whole "you're actually the one discriminating against women!" rhetoric that tries to flip the tables and accuse criticism of sexist female character design of being body shaming or "slut shaming" if it's about how they're dressed, as if these characters were somehow actual women and not men's depictions of women without input from actual women.
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It feels like plenty of dudes actually believe that there is some kind of prudish feminist police going around and forcing innocent (heh) developers and artists into desexing their character designs, while the reality is that the mainstream is just moving on to include wider audience after decades of marketing to adolescent boys. There still is practically endless amount of content that panders to horny straight men and a quick peek to almost any art site or itch.io's NSFW tag shows that it's creation isn't slowing down, but a lot of men in nerd subcultures just can't accept that all mainstream products don't just appeal to men's sexual fantasies all the time.
 
Isilia

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The reason for my comment, if it helps, is they were both new, low post accounts. The second one who came in today posted 3 videos (which, to be fair, I didn't look at) that looked kinda sketchy. I guess the mods agreed.
 
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I saw the not subtlety named "woke moralist" post that it was their first time posting "in this thread" even though it was their first ever post on resetera and that already rang pretty shady, didn't check out the videos, gotta be careful what you feed the Youtube algorithm.

I missed what the other guy did.
 
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The videos themselves were fine, the channels are progressive and criticise racist responses to Star Wars or sexualisation of minors and women in media, but the accounts above were replying to each other like alt troll accounts and the low post counts bear that out, along with the username and profile pictures.
 

apathetic

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Yeah, I realize now that I actually watched the removed video and didn't realize it was what was removed. Seemed decent so guess I should look again to see for sure.
 
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I mean, "The Woke Moralist" is just a name making fun of Peterson, and using an avatar of him looking half dead goes along with that. And it sounds like the videos were actually good? This feels like the gun was jumped.
 
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