Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)

[Deleted member 11413]

Pretty sure Auska got in the same cockpit with Shinji and she was sitting on his lap.

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Which episode is that? There is the one where they share her mech after she is introduced on the aircraft carrier, but she's the one that does all the piloting and he is just behind her backseat piloting basically. Don't remember the scene you are talking about at all

 

[Rob]

Which episode is that? There is the one where they share her mech after she is introduced on the aircraft carrier, but she's the one that does all the piloting and he is just behind her backseat piloting basically. Don't remember the scene you are talking about at all

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Hmm... Now maybe I'm conflating stuff. It has been at least 15 years since I've watched Eva.

 

[HockeyBird]

Also in Darling in the Franxx, all of humanity is immortal but at the cost of sexual desire. That is unfortunate timing because they humanity is attacked by a race of aliens and the only way to win against them is pilot mechs that are powered by sexual desire and human emotion. So the greatest minds in the world come to together to bread children in tubes so they can grow up to fight the aliens by essentially having sex inside of the mechs.

 

[Foot]

Also in Darling in the Franxx, all of humanity is immortal but at the cost of sexual desire. That is unfortunate timing because they humanity is attacked by a race of aliens and the only way to win against them is pilot mechs that are powered by sexual desire and human emotion. So the greatest minds in the world come to together to bread children in tubes so they can grow up to fight the aliens by essentially having sex inside of the mechs.

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

the fuck

 

[grand]

Pretty sure Auska got in the same cockpit with Shinji and she was sitting on his lap.

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Pretty sure that never happened. Are you perhaps thinking of the synchronization angel battle?

Cuz they weren't actually in the same cockpit. It was just a stylistic thing to juxtaposition between the two and show how synced up they were. They were actually in separate mechas, as the full battle shows.

 

[Deleted member 11413]

Hmm... Now maybe I'm conflating stuff. It has been at least 15 years since I've watched Eva.

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I think so. Evangelion has it's flaws but it is not that kind of show really. Even the sexual elements serve some sort of character, narrative, and theming purpose. Not like FRANXX which is just gratuitous sexual imagery to titilllate.

 

[Syril]

Also in Darling in the Franxx, all of humanity is immortal but at the cost of sexual desire. That is unfortunate timing because they humanity is attacked by a race of aliens and the only way to win against them is pilot mechs that are powered by sexual desire and human emotion. So the greatest minds in the world come to together to bread children in tubes so they can grow up to fight the aliens by essentially having sex inside of the mechs.

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Wtf was this funded by the Japanese government?

 

[Isilia]

Not only can the anime girl turn into anything, their sex drive can power the world.

The world we live in

 

[Rob]

Pretty sure that never happened. Are you perhaps thinking of the synchronization angel battle?

Cuz they weren't actually in the same cockpit. It was just a stylistic thing to juxtaposition between the two and show how synced up they were. They were actually in separate mechas, as the full battle shows.

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No, I remember the Synch battle pretty vividly. It was one of my favorite episodes. I could have sworn that Shinji took Auska into his cockpit because something was wrong with Unit 02.

I think so. Evangelion has it's flaws but it is not that kind of show really. Even the sexual elements serve some sort of character, narrative, and theming purpose. Not like FRANXX which is just gratuitous sexual imagery to titilllate.

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Oh, I know. Even when Shinji rubs one out over Auska's body, it still served a purpose.

 

[HockeyBird]

Wtf was this funded by the Japanese government?

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That's actually one of my favorite conspiracy theories about this show. That is actually funded by the Japanese government to get people to have sex and have children.

One of the major plotlines is that one of the female pilots discovers book on sex and from that point forward she wants to fuck another pilot and have his baby. She does and that is basically her entire plotline.

Really though, what I have written is just the tip of the iceberg. The show is truly the excesses of modern anime taken up to the next level. I encourage anyone to at least read a plot synopsis and watch some clips to see how absolutely insane it is. You ever want to see giant breasts destroy planets? Well...

 

[Deleted member 11413]

No, I remember the Synch battle pretty vividly. It was one of my favorite episodes. I could have sworn that Shinji took Auska into his cockpit because something was wrong with Unit 02.


Oh, I know. Even when Shinji rubs one out over Auska's body, it still served a purpose.

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No, Asuka takes Shinji into Unit 02 during the aircraft carrier battle because Unit 01 isn't there. Asuka does the piloting and shinji just kind of hangs out in the back. No lap sitting from my memory. He does lean over her to grab the controls at one point but that's not what you are saying.

 

[Xaszatm]

Anime, we will never escape its clutches

 

[Wanderer5]

Something that really cracked me up in Franxx, was that the freaking training unit, which is the pilot only, still has an ass shape piece that the handles are attached to.

This damn show.

 

[Joeku]

Something that really cracked me up in Franxx, was that the freaking training unit, which is the pilot only, still has an ass shape piece that the handles are attached to.

This damn show.

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I literally wheezed in laughter about this.

Christ, if this show came out in 1999 it would have been seen as a clever satire of NGE.

But this is normalized now.

 

[MainMain]

Anime is one of my favorite forms of animation for the last decade, though I ain't afraid to point out the flaws it has with sexualizing females. If they wanted to be fair, there would be a fuck ton more of Bara-centric anime (think Yaoi for gay men rather than straight women). Though yeah, I have a keen bias for flat-chests in terms of character appeal, though not to the point of being a minor. But that's around only three characters I really care about.

 

[SchrodingerC]

Something that really cracked me up in Franxx, was that the freaking training unit, which is the pilot only, still has an ass shape piece that the handles are attached to.

This damn show.

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...So this is NOT a parody?

Really?

😐

 

[Warrior of Light]

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Space Battleship Tiramisu made fun of this by having the MC, a guy, in this exact same pose - butt naked (and definitely sexualised). So at least there does seem to be some awareness among Japanese writers that this looks absolutely ridiculous.

 

[misterBee]

...So this is NOT a parody?

Really?

😐

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It's purposely being over-the-top and silly. It also makes sense when you realize half of the plot revolves around humans re-learning about sex and reproduction.

Also in Darling in the Franxx, all of humanity is immortal but at the cost of sexual desire. That is unfortunate timing because they humanity is attacked by a race of aliens and the only way to win against them is pilot mechs that are powered by sexual desire and human emotion. So the greatest minds in the world come to together to bread children in tubes so they can grow up to fight the aliens by essentially having sex inside of the mechs.

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That's...not quite right. Nobody bangs anybody in a robot. Humanity is immortal because they inject MAGIC GOO into their veins. The reason why sex and emotion aren't a thing anymore is because people basically got bored of it after living so long. The magic goo they use to stay immortal/power all of their technology attracts monsters, who they battle by using robots.

Humanity's robots are piloted by male/female pairs, but there is no emotion between them.

The main characters are a control group of like 8 kids who the mad scientist char puts in a control group. Unlike the other children who are emotionally regulated, these kids are allowed to experience puberty and figure it out on their own.

It's pretty much a show about kids figuring out what love is in a lord of the flies-like environment. But also with robots and monsters. Yes, a girl figures out how babies are made and tries to create one -- but then she's separated from her partner by the government and her memories are wiped. It's the inciting incident that causes the main characters to rebel against their rulers.

The show is pretty crazy and the visuals are ridiculous but plot and theme-wise it's pretty serious. It's easy to pick out particular things and laugh at it but I think it does the show a disservice to be honest.

I think so. Evangelion has it's flaws but it is not that kind of show really. Even the sexual elements serve some sort of character, narrative, and theming purpose. Not like FRANXX which is just gratuitous sexual imagery to titilllate.

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Despite its excesses there's more to it than just hahaha anime. Don't be so reductionist! Everyone loves Eva but you're kidding yourself if you think titillation isn't what drives a good chunk of that show.

People put that show on a pedestal largely because it was one of the first 'good' shows they watched a million years ago. It's not that special.

 

[SchrodingerC]

It's purposely being over-the-top and silly. It also makes sense when you realize half of the plot revolves around humans re-learning about sex and reproduction.



That's...not quite right. Nobody bangs anybody in a robot.

Humanity's robots are piloted by male/female pairs but it's all largely emotionless.

The main characters are a control group of like 8 kids who the mad scientist char puts in a control group. Unlike the other children who are emotionally regulated, these kids are allowed to experience puberty and figure it out on their own.

It's pretty much a show about kids figuring out what love is in a lord of the flies-like environment. But also with robots and monsters. Yes, a girl figures out how babies are made and tries to create one -- but then she's separated from her partner by the government and her memories are wiped. It's the inciting incident that causes the main characters to rebel against their rulers.

The show is pretty crazy and the visuals are ridiculous but plot and theme-wise it's pretty serious. It's easy to pick out particular things and laugh at it but I think it does the show a disservice to be honest.

Despite its excesses there's more to it than just hahaha anime. Don't be so reductionist!

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That's quite the roundabout way to execute this concept but ok.

 

[Warrior of Light]

It's purposely being over-the-top and silly. It also makes sense when you realize half of the plot revolves around humans re-learning about sex and reproduction.

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That's kind of a weak excuse. Not quite "she breathes through her skin", but almost.

 

[misterBee]

That's kind of a weak excuse. Not quite "she breathes through her skin", but almost.

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Yes, SOME of the visuals are pretty stupid, but just like how MGSV isn't about Quiet's breasts, the show has a lot of other things going on. There's a lot of pretty well-executed stuff in here both visually and thematically that ISN'T based around titillation.

Works can be flawed, but that doesn't mean they're 100% bad. I think sometimes people get too dismissive. Yes there's a lot of bad anime out there. Yes, even good shows have some weird/questionable stuff. But that doesn't mean there isn't value or worth in some of it. To say oh japan makes dumb shit haha it's all sex! and dismiss a work entirely seems like such a waste -- especially when stuff like Eva gets a pass because it's revered and/or was edgy in the 90s.

If people still think the show is stupid that's fine -- but at the very least if they're gonna give a summary make it a correct one. That summary above is a pretty weird misrepresentation of what the show is actually about.

TL;DR: Despite the embarrassing visuals Darling in the Franxx is actually a lot like the (famous?) novel The Giver by Louis Lowry -- except with more action. Give it a chance. Or don't. It's pretty interesting either way.

 

[Warrior of Light]

I don't think anyone meant to imply that the entire series was bad. We're talking about a specific element of it. You can enjoy a piece of entertainment while still being critical of it.

 

[PBalfredo]

I just want to see the pitch meeting for this show and how anyone kept a straight face

 

[misterBee]

I just want to see the pitch meeting for this show and how anyone kept a straight face

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It was made by Studio Trigger. If you've seen Gurren Lagann or Kill la Kill then you know this is nothing.

 

[N_Cryo]

Think we're getting off topic with the anime discussion again.

I just want to see the pitch meeting for this show and how anyone kept a straight face

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How'd you think Kill la Kill got made?

 

[Warrior of Light]

How'd you think Kill la Kill got made?

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Sadly, Kill la Kill eventually became the very thing it mocked with the marketing of the latest video game. "Oh, it's meant to be over the top with the fan service!". Sure, Jan.

 

[misterBee]

I don't think anyone meant to imply that the entire series was bad. We're talking about a specific element of it. You can enjoy a piece of entertainment while still being critical of it.

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Yeah I know. I just didn't like how that one poster just glossed over a ton of things / misrepresented it when they described what the show is about. It's fine to criticize but it should at least be portrayed properly first.

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

Studio Trigger was a mistake.

 

[misterBee]

Studio Trigger was a mistake.

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You. Take. That. Back. >=[

 

[Mekanos]

Anime, we will never escape its clutches

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might as well move this thread to etc and be done with it lol

Sadly, Kill la Kill eventually became the very thing it mocked with the marketing of the latest video game. "Oh, it's meant to be over the top with the fan service!". Sure, Jan.

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I don't think anybody was really fooled by KLK. It was very much "we know this is silly, but we're still gonna sell you teenage girls in sexy outfits. Wink wink!" The video game (THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT VIDEO GAMES) doesn't really change that. I doubt Imaishi et. al would seriously argue that KLK doesn't try to appeal to its audience with sexualization.

 

[Ferrs]

Anime was a mistake.

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fixed.

 

[Morrigan]

How many times will I have to post this reminder... :\

Feminist Discussion of Anime and Manga |OT| Not your waifu OT

This is largely going to be a thread where people can discuss feminist theory of anime and manga as well as recommend ones that you believe show positive feminism. First let's briefly go over feminist theory. What is Feminist Theory? Feminist theory covers a broad range of topics, but for this...

www.resetera.com

 

[Wanderer5]

So having played the RE5 switch demo, which is first part of the game, I couldn't help but notice that the first shot of Sheva, is her ass lol.



Also having recalled it, that tribal outfit is just yikes.

 

[Godfather]

So having played the RE5 switch demo, which is first part of the game, I couldn't help but notice that the first shot of Sheva, is her ass lol.



Also having recalled it, that tribal outfit is just yikes.

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Chris' mad max outfit is great though. It's fine, I'm sure the other main female character will be treated with respect...

 

[Persephone]

I started playing Tomb Raider 2013, and while I appreciate that Lara has regular human breasts as opposed to giant balloon tiddies, the gratuitous torture porn kind of negates any goodwill I had towards the game in that regard :/

 

[aLoneWalker]

So is this thread going somewhere? Because outlining sexualized examples in games and other medias could turn out in billions of examples but nothing would change if it's only for "oh my god, it's wrong"

 

[Ferrs]

So is this thread going somewhere? Because outlining sexualized examples in games and other medias could turn out in billions of examples but nothing would change if it's only for "oh my god, it's wrong"

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Discussion and awareness of the issues. it doesn't need to go anywhere. Still, some people chimed here time to time saying how this thread helped them see some issues with representation that didn't notice before so I would say it does go somewhere.

 

[aLoneWalker]

Discussion and awareness of the issues. it doesn't need to go anywhere. Still, some people chimed here time to time saying how this thread helped them see some issues with representation that didn't notice before so I would say it does go somewhere.

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Discussion? Good.
Awareness? Good.
Resolution anyhow?

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

How many times will I have to post this reminder... :\

Feminist Discussion of Anime and Manga |OT| Not your waifu OT

This is largely going to be a thread where people can discuss feminist theory of anime and manga as well as recommend ones that you believe show positive feminism. First let's briefly go over feminist theory. What is Feminist Theory? Feminist theory covers a broad range of topics, but for this...

www.resetera.com

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That thread's dead, Jim.

 

[Famassu]

Discussion? Good.
Awareness? Good.
Resolution anyhow?

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What do you expect a single thread on a discussion forum to achieve, other than educate the users of said forum about the subject and hoping some eyes see this who maybe have some power to change things whoever they are and whatever they do.

 

[JinxMonsoon]

Discussion? Good.
Awareness? Good.
Resolution anyhow?

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Well, what resolutions would you propose? What we can do, as recipients of the media, more than discuss and be aware of certain issues within it?

 

[Cerulean_skylark]

So is this thread going somewhere? Because outlining sexualized examples in games and other medias could turn out in billions of examples but nothing would change if it's only for "oh my god, it's wrong"

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Sometimes it's just nice to vent

 

[Syril]

I started playing Tomb Raider 2013, and while I appreciate that Lara has regular human breasts as opposed to giant balloon tiddies, the gratuitous torture porn kind of negates any goodwill I had towards the game in that regard :/

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Yeah it's pretty messed up. I really hate the idea of characters becoming heroes by enduring pain and trauma. A while back I looked at a compilation of the death animations for it alongside one for Resident Evil 4, and it was really telling how Tomb Raider frequently focused on Lara's face as she was dying, while RE4, a horror game, always made sure you could never see Leon's face during any of its deaths.

 

[kappapeachie]

Well, what resolutions would you propose? What we can do, as recipients of the media, more than discuss and be aware of certain issues within it?

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Legit ban inappropriate sexuality in media and sexual objectification of women.

Yeah it's pretty messed up. I really hate the idea of characters becoming heroes by enduring pain and trauma. A while back I looked at a compilation of the death animations for it alongside one for Resident Evil 4, and it was really telling how Tomb Raider frequently focused on Lara's face as she was dying, while RE4, a horror game, always made sure you could never see Leon's face during any of its deaths.

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I could argue that characters overcoming obstacles is way more interesting than the main character getting stuff handed to them on a silver platter. Even then there's a stark contrast between just general danger and something that's quite ....fetishesic? Is that the word I'm looking for it.

 

[Dary]

could argue that characters overcoming obstacles is way more interesting than the main character getting stuff handed to them on a silver platter. Even then there's a stark contrast between just general danger and something that's quite ....fetishesic? Is that the word I'm looking for it.

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Just try and picture the modern TR but with Indiana Jones.

Does Indiana Jones really need a gritty reboot-backstory?

Modern TR just strikes me as an insecure teenager crying out for adult validation. "Look at me! I'm a grown-up!! TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!!!"

 

[Crossing Eden]

So having played the RE5 switch demo, which is first part of the game, I couldn't help but notice that the first shot of Sheva, is her ass lol.



Also having recalled it, that tribal outfit is just yikes.

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Capcom certainly never received enough shit for that outfit tbh. Literally a character possibly created in response to allegations of racism and then they include not only that an African tribe section, but gave her this outfit:

and also made sure to make her character exclusive weapon a BOW?

Like bruh...

 

[Deleted member 5334]

Oh lord, I just noticed the heels. I'd seen that outfit so many times in the discussions people have had and somehow only JUST noticed that... It's bad enough with everything else and now I also see that...

Capcom, come on...

 

[Joe2187]

Man....yall werent around for the crazy issue of when RE5 launched

you dont remember when Jills in game model had fully modeled labia lips on the outside of her battle suit?

it was patched out eventually and never showed up again....but It was extremely noticebale when I played that game on launch and Jill did a somersault and you can see her exposed pussy right there in the cutcscene.

 

[Kinsei]

Yeah, RE5 is a complete mess when it comes to race and gender. Thankfully the series has improved since then. Albeit some alt costumes are still in "are you fucking kidding me" territory. Hopefully RE2 is indicative of the series going forward when it comes to alt costumes.

 

[Xaszatm]

The late 00's early 10's got pretty bad. The worst for me was the Dead Island Bust

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