The only skin showing for him is literally his nose and eyesWhat is a JRPG characters if not fashionable? Cuz my man Vincent Valentine's rocking the same kind of look:
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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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Yes I know. That's why I was saying I like Velvet's design but understand it was in poor taste to overdo the sexual aspects of it.
I hate her look in large part because of the dehumanizing levels of sexualization, and also because it doesn't even make sense in the game's world. They are literally rotten, stinking rags from a sewer and I'm supposed to believe she keeps wearing them by choice? It just drives home that showing the character's breasts is more important than having her make actual human decisions.
Velvet makes it clear that cares for nothing but her revenge quest and includes if her teammates live or not. She, in fact, tells to their faces that she's going to murder them if that brings her closer to her objective. Of course, she never goes through her threats because the team actually proves to be useful to her. Except perhaps for Bienfu but Magilou takes cares of him just fine.
If I had to make a educated guess, her appearance is of absolutely no concern to her.
The majority of his clothing is normal, it's only really his cape which is raggy. They really aren't the same thing at all the only similarity is they are both black mainly
"I'm so obsessed with revenge I won't even change out of these sexy, sexy rags." just sounds like some hilariously juvenile writing to me.
If that was true, she would wear full body armor to help further her goals for revenge. Not Sexy Rags™️
It's the Tales of games serieswe're talking about. That goes without saying.
Still, I appreciate's Velvet's callous disregard for other people. Very few JRPGs would have one of the first act of the protagonists be intentionally setting a town on fire to steal a ship, concequences be damned.
Velvet stood out way too much with that outfit. If anything I feel wearing that outfit would have made her run into more trouble compared to wearing a normal outfit.
Plus another character on her team told her that they can fix her outfit if she wants and they were sailing a lot so surely she can set aside time to get it fixed? She had lots of times for downtime so there is no excuse.
What it all comes down to it is they wanted to make her wear this nonsensical outfit. A shame because her character was really cool.
Plus another character on her team told her that they can fix her outfit if she wants and they were sailing a lot so surely she can set aside time to get it fixed? She had lots of times for downtime so there is no excuse.
What it all comes down to it is they wanted to make her wear this nonsensical outfit. A shame because her character was really cool.
Appearance? How about convenience? Did she forget that too?
It's at the level of "she breathes through her skin" stupidity, to be honest.
A woman obsessed with revenge will not forget basic things like dressing herself . Unless you think women are stupid, brainless creatures.
And Quiet had to be half naked to breath through her skin! :P (Edit, beaten to it by Morrigan )
She could still be obsessed with revenge and not dress like that without undermining her character I feel.
Yeah, I don't think clothes and hygiene have anything to do with revenge.
Though that itself might make for a pretty good game.
I can see our moody, brooding protagonist now: "T-shirts will never hold me down! RAAAAWRGHGHGHGH" *rips off t-shirt, but like in an anime way so it's just super awkward looking and totally fan-servicey bullshit*
Though that itself might make for a pretty good game.
I can see our moody, brooding protagonist now: "T-shirts will never hold me down! RAAAAWRGHGHGHGH" *rips off t-shirt, but like in an anime way so it's just super awkward looking and totally fan-servicey bullshit*
Taking 40 minutes to get dressed, rather than 3 minutes, strongly contributes to successful revenge.
I mean if we ignore that this is just an excuse to dress up the character like a sex toy for a moment, it'd just mean that she's completely stupid and brainless. So, congrats on writing a very, very dumb character, I guess. 🤷♀️ Oh what's this, you're saying she's meant to be powerful and smart? Well nope, you failed at that on the most basic level. Oops.
More games need to do the Yakuza thing where attractive, beefy men rip off their suit jackets and shirts the moment it looks like there's going to be a big fight.
Tales historically has had a large female following, and just one look at Tales of Festival and their merchandise shows that they know their audience. So their decision to dress Velvet the way they did is even more puzzling to me. I hope they learnt something from her reception and won't try to pander to the typical suspects with the next entry again.
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B... but it gives her +20 to her AC! That's how anime works!
jRPGs can only do this with an inverse broodiness function, determined by the hentai co-efficient.
Good to know they don't understand their audience or how to do interviews. Thumbs up!
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I get the impression they've identified their lack of appeal to the male audience as some sort of problem based on a recent interview with the producer of Tales of Arise so unfortunately I'm fearing more design decisions like that.
During my revenge kick, I like to worry about tearing up my clothes with every movement instead of spending five minutes to dress into a reasonable outfit.
Velvet is actually quite popular. Hell, she is the only woman to make to the top ten in the latest popularity poll:
- Mikleo (Tales of Zestiria)
- Ludger Kresnik (Tales of Xillia 2)
- Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss)
- Asbel Lhant (Tales of Graces)
- Eizen (Tales of Berseria)
- Sorey (Tales of Zestiria)
- Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria)
- Jude Mathis (Tales of Xillia/Xillia 2)
- Zelos Wilder (Tales of Symphonia)
- Judas (Tales of Destiny 2)
Mikleo Takes The Crown in the 8th Tales of Character Popularity Poll Rankings! - Abyssal Chronicles ver3 (Beta) - Tales of Series fansite
The results are in! Meet your top 20 favorite Tales of characters as voted for by fans! The results of the 8th Tales of Character Popularity Poll Rankings are now out! For the main characters [Read More...]
www.abyssalchronicles.com
I don't know why, but those comments remind me... What do you think of Zero from Drakengard 3?
To me, she's one of a kind. I seriously don't think we will ever see another female protagonist like her: an unrepentant female rapist and all around terrible human being that goes around killing everyone she comes across because she wants more power. That includes her sisters, whom she not only murder but also steals her boyfriends, bang them and makes her own harem regardless of what the guys want or not. She also eats food off the floor if she dropped it and can't stop dropping f-bombs and threating everyone like crap.
She's basically a garbage fire piece of shit of a person. I love her.
Things that interfere with battle movements inherently improve battle skills!
While they don't mention character designs here, that excerpt does have me worried. When they showed the two new protagonists, I felt they didn't seem traditionally Tales, the guy especially. I will nervously await the introduction of the next few party members, I guess. Regarding the upcoming Tales mobile game, those designs are much more in line with what I tend to expect when I think Tales.
Velvet is actually quite popular. Hell, she is the only woman to make to the top ten in the latest popularity poll:
- Mikleo (Tales of Zestiria)
- Ludger Kresnik (Tales of Xillia 2)
- Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss)
- Asbel Lhant (Tales of Graces)
- Eizen (Tales of Berseria)
- Sorey (Tales of Zestiria)
- Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria)
- Jude Mathis (Tales of Xillia/Xillia 2)
- Zelos Wilder (Tales of Symphonia)
- Judas (Tales of Destiny 2)
Mikleo Takes The Crown in the 8th Tales of Character Popularity Poll Rankings! - Abyssal Chronicles ver3 (Beta) - Tales of Series fansite
The results are in! Meet your top 20 favorite Tales of characters as voted for by fans! The results of the 8th Tales of Character Popularity Poll Rankings are now out! For the main characters [Read More...]
Asbel placing 4th has me question the worth of this ranking. They must have forgotten to add the 0 after the 4. About Velvet, I don't think 7th place is incredibly impressive given she was the protagonist of the latest entry in the series and recency bias is a thing. Hard to say though, it's possible some are fond of her for her personality traits design aside. Also, where the fuck is Yuri.
From the website:
As for Velvet, It IS impresive given that women barely made it to the poll in the first place.
"Velvet is a redditor" is the explanation that squares the circle on her character motivation
"I absolutely have to poopsock my vengence".
I have used poopsock entirely too many times during this past week.
I like the character concept of someone who plain ol' doesn't give a shit about anything other than revenge, but that outfit is bad. I'd probably like it more if she wore a sports bra and ripped leggings underneath everything. I'm willing to buy into the idea of clothes as armor as long as it looks cool, but this just doesn't. Makes me think of Enoby Darkness Dementia Way.
I would like to say two things.
As an artist and guy who likes edge lords I like the idea of some cool man or woman wearing tathers. That doesn't however excuse that character designs and even under the logic the design is pushed in a way that is supposed to sexual her. And its disappointing.
Thing two, whats even more disappointing is that you could can do " Person weaing a tathered cloak and little else can actually be done well and in a none sexualized way but its never done with lady characters. One of my favorite outits is akuma's alt in Street fighter 4. Its him in a hooded cloak and the only thing he's wearing is like..underwear. And he looks fucking sick. But if were a woman it would be sexually designed. There are ways to have characters wear little and have them look cool. so when I see designs like that, as an artist I knew the person went out of their way soley for sexualization when they could have just went a cool direction and it would have worked fine
As an artist and guy who likes edge lords I like the idea of some cool man or woman wearing tathers. That doesn't however excuse that character designs and even under the logic the design is pushed in a way that is supposed to sexual her. And its disappointing.
Thing two, whats even more disappointing is that you could can do " Person weaing a tathered cloak and little else can actually be done well and in a none sexualized way but its never done with lady characters. One of my favorite outits is akuma's alt in Street fighter 4. Its him in a hooded cloak and the only thing he's wearing is like..underwear. And he looks fucking sick. But if were a woman it would be sexually designed. There are ways to have characters wear little and have them look cool. so when I see designs like that, as an artist I knew the person went out of their way soley for sexualization when they could have just went a cool direction and it would have worked fine
Velvet is in a weird place for me. I don't actually mind her rags look. I wonder if it's just a case of me loving her characterization so much that i was able to overlook her appearance. To the point it kinda suits her in a way.
Yeah, I think it's dumb looking in a vacuum but I get that they were going for a villainous look. It's just that villainous female is associated with less clothes which is a problem but I can see that thought process.
On terms of practicality, I'm fine with suspending my disbelief for that. Stylization is eye catching and fun, it's just the sexualization aspect that's eh. And the villager outfit is so colorless and drab it almost makes her stand out more among her super colorful teammates.
She's such a an enjoyably driven character though. Just full of anger and motivation, a standout among the usually passive, reactive Tales leads. It's a shame about the outfit.
Edit: Oh and I had a bemused chuckle when one of the villains is looking for Velvet's group and asks if Velvet is cold. Their group is so obviously suspicious but that's suspension of disbelief for you.
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Sure. It means there's some competent storytelling in the game. But it was a choice to dress her like that. They definitely could have give her a rags look in a way that would have been effective, but much less blatantly sexualized.
I switched Velvet to the villager outfit at first chance. She still pops up in those, for lack of a better term, rags in the skits/some cutscenes, but I can't fix that far.
I know on several occasions they bring that outfit up, too, and Velvet is like "sure, if you can fix it I'll wear it." I haven't beaten the game, but I am probably right in assuming that, regrettably, doesn't happen.
What a disaster of an outfit, though.
I know on several occasions they bring that outfit up, too, and Velvet is like "sure, if you can fix it I'll wear it." I haven't beaten the game, but I am probably right in assuming that, regrettably, doesn't happen.
What a disaster of an outfit, though.
I wonder. I think that if her personality were different, or say more like how she was in the prologue of the game. I probably would not have been able to like her look. But like Aexact said, I think with Velvet they went with the sexy villain look with her. It's kind of interesting when i think about it.
Yeah, in the context of Berseria and how Velvet is characterized, it's very hard for me to view her as a sexual object... but I'd guess Namco's mentality was "she's gotta have visible underboob so men don't feel icky playing as a girl." Or something?
Someone made a mod that changes her default costume to one that's essentially the same costume but an actual outfit instead of literally tatters.
Nice, but black is overdone; can I make the black parts pink at least?Someone made a mod that changes her default costume to one that's essentially the same costume but an actual outfit instead of literally tatters.
The idea that Velvet's costume is "just tattered rags" is undercut by the way that it artfully frames her underboobs.
Someone made a mod that changes her default costume to one that's essentially the same costume but an actual outfit instead of literally tatters.
It's still chuuni as fuck, but it's way better.
The thing is though, I don't know if this is ACTUAL goth fashion. I can see it used as maybe some example of high fashion or a cosplay but something that someone wears? Especially for an adventurer seems dubious.
Nothing says "I don't care about my appearance" more than strapping 3 useless belts to your right thigh.
One would think if somebody is so unconcerned with appearance, they would change into a simple, practical clothing the very first chance they get instead of bothering themselves to put on these complicated and flimsy rags-and-belts every day. Hers is the most "I dress like this because I want to look exactly like this" costume in the entire party!
JRPG costumes are almost always designed with style in mind first and foremost. I'm fine with that. The concept of still looking stylish while fighting for your lives is something I actually adore in these games, practicality be damned. Thus, I usually judge them by style and concept rather than some in-universe reasoning that's almost always shaky.
And I have to say, the look Velvet is sporting actually highlights a personality opposite of no-nonsense and unconcerned. It comes off as overdone and try-hard.
Yuri and Leon are banned from the popularity polls because they literally always win by a large margin, and they want to give people a chance to pick other characters
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