Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)

TheSyldat · May 30, 2019

SteelBeast6Beets said:
What I recall about Futaba is that she was originally envisioned as a dark haired girl but it was deemed too cliché. So she was given long orange hair to contrast her personality of a suicidal shut-in.

"We don't want to make her to look like a typical suicidal character"
Proceeds to make her ginger ...
You know the part of the japanese population male or female that knows a seven times higher rate of suicides ... teenager suicide ...
In China gingers are surrounded with fairly positives weird out there beliefs , not so much in japan ...
Hell ginger dudes are bullied to hell and back because "ginger is a girly hair color not a proud manly man one" ...
( hell as a northerner frenchie who is a ginger , I learned that japanese stereotypes around gingers are all fairly negative ones , with the same fundamental thinkinng , just a different way to be expressed culturally , but simply put the BS I live through in Lille was the same in Fukuoka just worded differently and coming from a different religious background but the ideas remained the same male ginger = unmanly + evil , female ginger = temptress + quarrelsome )

SteelBeast6Beets · May 30, 2019

TheSyldat said:
"We don't want to make her to look like a typical suicidal character"
Proceeds to make her ginger ...
You know the part of the japanese population male or female that knows a seven times higher rate of suicides ... teenager suicide ...
In China gingers are surrounded with fairly positives weird out there beliefs , not so much in japan ...
Hell ginger dudes are bullied to hell and back because "ginger is a girly hair color not a proud manly man one" ...

... I thought the whole hatred of gingers was only a thing in the West.

Poor guys can't catch a break at all.

TheSyldat · May 30, 2019

SteelBeast6Beets said:
... I thought the whole hatred of gingers was only a thing in the West.

Poor guys can't catch a break at all.

Southern China is a bit of "fresh air" if you don't stay too long . Their beliefs are fairly positive but they all entail that touching red hair brings good luck and although most women are polite enough to ask before they proceed most dudes don't care for your consent one bit ...

(it all pertains to a Toaist legend surrounding the first three priestess in Zheng Taoism)

SteelBeast6Beets · May 30, 2019

TheSyldat said:
Southern China is a bit of "fresh air" if you don't stay too long . Their beliefs are fairly positive but they all entail that touching red hair brings good luck and although most women are polite enough to ask before they proceed most dudes don't care for your consent one bit ...

(it all pertains to a Toaist legend surrounding the first three priestess in Zheng Taoism)

There's always a catch, isn't it?

TheSyldat · May 30, 2019

SteelBeast6Beets said:
There's always a catch, isn't it?

Especially given that when you're a ginger male (intersex or not - I am intersex personnaly ) because of your genes your scalp is the most erogenous zone of your body after your crotch ...
Sooo not exactly the place of my body I'd let rando-schmo touch randomly without them asking first ...

Komii · May 30, 2019

SteelBeast6Beets said:
... I thought the whole hatred of gingers was only a thing in the West.

Poor guys can't catch a break at all.

Twelve kingdoms taught me some people cant stand hair that isnt black

TheSyldat · May 30, 2019

Mariip said:
Twelve kingdoms taught me some people cant stand hair that isnt black

And Berzerk
And Maiso Ikkoku
And Saint Seiya
And Chisui
And Bleach
And ....

I think people get it so I will stop right there , but yeah being a ginger in japan sucks as much as it does in Northern France if not more.

Biestmann · May 30, 2019

TheSyldat said:
Especially given that when you're a ginger male (intersex or not - I am intersex personnaly ) because of your genes your scalp is the most erogenous zone of your body after your crotch ...
Sooo not exactly the place of my body I'd let rando-schmo touch randomly without them asking first ...

I am a redhead myself, but I must not have got the memo.

TheSyldat · May 30, 2019

Biestmann said:
I am a redhead myself, but I must not have got the memo.

Or nobody ever rubbed that part of your body eroticaly , or your less sensitvie to it than most. But as far as I am concerned it does check out more than I'm comfortable depicting here. So randos touching my hair without asking is the surest way to make me feel super unsafe.

(also bear in mind that genetical predispotion can be trumped and negated by environnemental and psychological factors , again our genes are "base modifiers" which means other factors can and WILL enter into play :) )

Scrooge McDuck · May 30, 2019

TheSyldat said:
"We don't want to make her to look like a typical suicidal character"
Proceeds to make her ginger ...

According to the artbook, Futaba dyes her hair.

WizardMemories · May 30, 2019

ZSeibar said:
This pretty much says everything you need to know about current Atlus :)

*Current Persona

spiritfox · May 31, 2019

WizardMemories said:
*Current Persona

Looking at the other games Atlus has put out recently, current Atlus.

Metalsnakezero · May 31, 2019

spiritfox said:
Looking at the other games Atlus has put out recently, current Atlus.

I do question how much will change or has been change with Atlus being part of Sega and building up internal studios. Not to say Sega is perfect but having worldwide studios helps bring in new ideas where Atlus for a long time was Japanese base and Japan first.

Shining Star · May 31, 2019

Lets hope that Nintendo will give the last good Atlus game, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, a Switch port.

TheSyldat · May 31, 2019

Scrooge McDuck said:
According to the artbook, Futaba dyes her hair.

Ans that changes anything because ???
Also if you feel like precising that it's said in the art book it's therefore not told in the game , if not in game it doesn't count on narratology perpsepective.

Mesoian · May 31, 2019

TheSyldat said:
Ans that changes anything because ???
Also if you feel like precising that it's said in the art book it's therefore not told in the game , if not in game it doesn't count on narratology perpsepective.

Haha, tell that to Yoko Taro or Motomu Toriyama

TheSyldat · May 31, 2019

Mesoian said:
Haha, tell that to Yoko Taro or Motomu Toriyama

Others don't bother to spell it out in the game therefore everybody should withod information in games too = the exact reformulation of yout idea...

Mesoian · May 31, 2019

TheSyldat said:
Others don't bother to spell it out in the game therefore everybody should withod information in games too = the exact reformulation of yout idea...

They have to sell their big dumb books somehow, why not put GIANT SWARTHS of the plot in there.

FWIW, I'm not saying it's good storytelling, I'm just saying...it happens too much.

Scrooge McDuck · May 31, 2019

TheSyldat said:
Ans that changes anything because ???
Also if you feel like precising that it's said in the art book it's therefore not told in the game , if not in game it doesn't count on narratology perpsepective.

You were commenting on a statement from the artbook to begin with. I was providing further information, that the designer meant for her hair color to be an intentional aesthetic choice.

TheSyldat · May 31, 2019

Scrooge McDuck said:
You were commenting on a statement from the artbook to begin with. I was providing further information, that the designer meant for her hair color to be an intentional aesthetic choice.

An aesthetic choice that I commented upon to begin with on the fact that making her a ginger isn't exactly conducive to make the character less likely to look less suicidal given his own cultural background . Whether she dyes her hair or not whether she is naturally ginger or faking it doesn't matter in the first place it's irrelevant to the criticism . If you don't want your japanese players and some of your western audience to think about your character in a certain way maybe don't give her the hair color that will have non cessant discriminationn as a ripple effect of what the player thinks about ...
So for the last time "and that changes anything because ?"

EDIT : just in case you didn't know , in both my neck of the woods (so Northern France) and japan there are hairdressers that will straight up refuse to dye your hair in any shade of ginger until you're an adult as a woman because they know all too well that some young girls will not be able to take the constant abuse that comes out of it and then rather than being mad at the actual problem (gingerist bullshit ideas) will get mad at them and make a fuss ...

Servbot24 · May 31, 2019

Metalsnakezero said:
Speaking of boob armor what everyone thoughs on Saber from the Fate series

The chest armor is fine, though the design as a whole is quite poor. It's simultaneously bland and nonsensical.

Scrooge McDuck · May 31, 2019

TheSyldat said:
An aesthetic choice that I commented upon to begin with on the fact that making her a ginger isn't exactly conducive to make the character less likely to look less suicidal given his own cultural background . Whether she dyes her hair or not whether she is naturally ginger or faking it doesn't matter in the first place it's irrelevant to the criticism . If you don't want your japanese players and some of your western audience to think about your character in a certain maybe don't give her the hair color that will have non cessant discriminationn as a ripple effect of what the player thinks about ...
So for the last time "and that changes anything because ?"

I don't understand what you're getting at. Why does it have to change anything? Not every conversation needs to be a debate.

TheSyldat · May 31, 2019

Scrooge McDuck said:
Why does it have to change anything? Not every conversation needs to be a debate.

Why did you bring it up if you didn't think that will change anything about my point ? Especially in a thread about what we think of design choices on woman characters designs ...
Not trying to be adverserial here but I earnestly return you the question so to speak why did you feel like bringing it up if you didn't thiink this was relevant ?

Scrooge McDuck · May 31, 2019

TheSyldat said:
Why did you bring it up if you didn't think that will change anything about my point ? Especially in a thread about what we think of design choices on woman characters designs ...

If this was a widespread phenomenon, this was a failing of the designer who most likely didn't think that far and just meant for Futaba to exude more cheerful color palette by her own choice.

Do tell me if that "changes anything" about your point, because I that's not my intention.

TheSyldat · May 31, 2019

Scrooge McDuck said:
If this was a widespread phenomenon, this was a failing of the designer who most likely didn't think that far

Pretty much yeah .
No need for the rest of the sentence really . Making her a ginger for the reason invoked had the exact opposite effect .

caff!!! · May 31, 2019

Dice · May 31, 2019

caff!!! said:

Honestly thought the Tifa and Aeris's head size topic was obnoxious for this reason.

No one does this shit for male characters. They'll judge for dudes, but it never goes on so long

xendless · Jun 1, 2019

SolidSnakex said:
Another female character has been revealed for Death Stranding, and her design is basically in line with the other women revealed

Huge departure compared to Quiet.

I hope DS sells well then whenever someone brings up "sex sells" we can say naked DILFs sell games
nude DILF culture to save the game industry

Death-Stranding-trailer-starring-Norman-Reedus-NUDE-Hideo-Kojima.jpg

Mifec · Jun 1, 2019

Dice said:
This design kills me a little every time i see it. Or, rather, I feel like I lose a few IQ points when I see it. xD

Or that time she gets captured and posed up like this

(which would actually be traumatizing if I didn't find it served a more dubious purpose to its audience) (IIRC this was an H-scene originally...but)

The worst part of Nero's is the ass cleavage no one posted.

The one you posted is another char, who is stuck in a 14-15yo body due to her scabbard stopping her aging.

As for how she woulda looked as an adult

obv NSFW

Syril · Jun 1, 2019

Ok yeah Saber was a fluke.

Akainu · Jun 1, 2019

TheSyldat said:
An aesthetic choice that I commented upon to begin with on the fact that making her a ginger isn't exactly conducive to make the character less likely to look less suicidal given his own cultural background . Whether she dyes her hair or not whether she is naturally ginger or faking it doesn't matter in the first place it's irrelevant to the criticism . If you don't want your japanese players and some of your western audience to think about your character in a certain way maybe don't give her the hair color that will have non cessant discriminationn as a ripple effect of what the player thinks about ...
So for the last time "and that changes anything because ?"

EDIT : just in case you didn't know , in both my neck of the woods (so Northern France) and japan there are hairdressers that will straight up refuse to dye your hair in any shade of ginger until you're an adult as a woman because they know all too well that some young girls will not be able to take the constant abuse that comes out of it and then rather than being mad at the actual problem (gingerist bullshit ideas) will get mad at them and make a fuss ...

Never heard of this ginger treatment in Japan. Got a link?

Foot · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
stuck in a 14-15yo body due to her scabbard stopping her aging

COME ON.

Deleted member 401 · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
who is stuck in a 14-15yo body due to her scabbard stopping her aging.

RedHoodedOwl · Jun 1, 2019

It is the 1,000 year old dragon trope.

Deleted member 3208 · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
The worst part of Nero's is the ass cleavage no one posted.

The one you posted is another char, who is stuck in a 14-15yo body due to her scabbard stopping her aging.

As for how she woulda looked as an adult

Saber backstory is a fucking mess. That adult Saber design made me roll my eyes.
Nuff to said, the most decent stuff in the entire Nasuverse is Fate/Zero.

RedHoodedOwl · Jun 1, 2019

Sakura Matou's backstory is also messed up.

Mifec · Jun 1, 2019

RedHoodedOwl said:
Sakura Matou's backstory is also messed up.

That's because Gen Urobuchi and Nasu like all light novelists are hacks.

Astolfo is the best fate char.

Deleted member 3208 · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
That's because Gen Urobuchi and Nasu like all light novelists are hacks.

Astolfo is the best fate char.

In Urobuchi's defence, even if he didn't want to, he had to write that shit about Sakura because of the original visual novel. That's why I consider Zero the most decent of the Nasuverse stuff; ignoring the established backstory of Stay Night characters, his original characters were actually good. Adults instead of kids (except, perhaps, Waver), a more straightfoward story and none of the female characters were sexualized. Although it is also kind of disappointing that there weren't too many female characters.

Meanwhile, in Unlimited Blade Works, in the first episodes, we have that scene with Illya. It is just... why can't they be fucking decent people?

SteelBeast6Beets · Jun 1, 2019

I blame Urobushi for the fact that Magical Girl genre got turned into a infinite parade of torture porn shows.

Metalsnakezero said:
I do question how much will change or has been change with Atlus being part of Sega and building up internal studios. Not to say Sega is perfect but having worldwide studios helps bring in new ideas where Atlus for a long time was Japanese base and Japan first.

From what I could gather, it seems that Atlus is pretty much independent from Sega despite the studio's status as a subsidiary of the Big S.

Hence why the actions of both developers seemingly being at odds ie. Sega supporting LGBT rights and Atlus' trans panic jokes in Persona 5.

Pandora012 · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
The worst part of Nero's is the ass cleavage no one posted.

The one you posted is another char, who is stuck in a 14-15yo body due to her scabbard stopping her aging.

As for how she woulda looked as an adult

obv NSFW

Well Altria doesn't always look like that. You could have chosen her armor version. Besides FGO basically goes out of its way to do that to most of the characters. It's basically how that game survives. She's like Mordred. Has both an armored look, and one without.

Mifec · Jun 1, 2019

Pandora012 said:
Well Altria doesn't always look like that. You could have chosen her armor version. Besides FGO basically goes out of its way to do that to most of the characters. It's basically how that game survives. She's like Mordred. Has both an armored look, and one without.

The art I posted is her last ascencion art in FGO, it's as valid as the one you posted.

Linkark07 said:
In Urobuchi's defence, even if he didn't want to, he had to write that shit about Sakura because of the original visual novel. That's why I consider Zero the most decent of the Nasuverse stuff; ignoring the established backstory of Stay Night characters, his original characters were actually good. Adults instead of kids (except, perhaps, Waver), a more straightfoward story and none of the female characters were sexualized. Although it is also kind of disappointing that there weren't too many female characters.

Meanwhile, in Unlimited Blade Works, in the first episodes, we have that scene with Illya. It is just... why can't they be fucking decent people?

Waver grew up hating Japan and video games T_T

Also idk if you know but so many pedos are furious about the prisma movie because it focuses on badass Brother Shiro instead of the sexualized kids.

SteelBeast6Beets said:
I blame Urobushi for the fact that Magical Girl genre got turned into a infinite parade of torture porn shows.

Hell yeah brother he sucks, every time I go on randomc to check screenshots of new anime the magical girl of the season show is just some weird torture porn.

SteelBeast6Beets · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
Hell yeah brother he sucks, every time I go on randomc to check screenshots of new anime the magical girl of the season show is just some weird torture porn.

It is really bad. The only exceptions are either remakes of older series (Sailor Moon Crystal, Cardcaptors) or long running franchises that do their own thing and aren't influenced by trends (PreCure).

Pandora012 · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
The art I posted is her last ascencion art in FGO, it's as valid as the one you posted.

Yeah i didn't say it wasn't valid. My point was to show the full picture of it. With the way FGO, you can make it so you don't see that cringy version of her.

Deleted member 3208 · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
Also idk if you know but so many pedos are furious about the prisma movie because it focuses on badass Brother Shiro instead of the sexualized kids.

That... doesn't surprise me one bit, sadly.

RedHoodedOwl · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
Hell yeah brother he sucks, every time I go on randomc to check screenshots of new anime the magical girl of the season show is just some weird torture porn.

I saw a trailer for Magical Girl Spec Ops Asuka. Yeah, it's the usual we're trying hard to be dark and edgy schtick.

Korigama · Jun 1, 2019

RedHoodedOwl said:
I saw a trailer for Magical Girl Spec Ops Asuka. Yeah, it's the usual we're trying hard to be dark and edgy schtick.

Never heard of this one, so I looked up the trailer for it... yup, Urobuchi's work on Madoka has effectively shifted magical girl shows from cute to

Opening theme is pretty catchy, though.

Syril · Jun 1, 2019

Hey everyone what if we tortured girls instead of letting them be superheroes

Linkark07 said:
Saber backstory is a fucking mess. That adult Saber design made me roll my eyes.
Nuff to said, the most decent stuff in the entire Nasuverse is Fate/Zero.

I started to watch Fate Zero but noped out shortly after there was a scene of a four year old locked in a room covered with bugs from head to toe. I'll give it another shot if anyone can say that it never has another scene of children getting tortured.

Mifec · Jun 1, 2019

Syril said:
I'll give it another shot if anyone can say that it never has another scene of children getting tortured.

Caster's master kidnaps and mutilates kids but it's not explicitly shown in the anime, you won't see Sakura getting raped by penis worms again.

Foot · Jun 1, 2019

There is no reason to give something that contained such a scene a second chance.

Ferrs · Jun 1, 2019

Mifec said:
Caster's master kidnaps and mutilates kids but it's not explicitly shown in the anime, you won't see Sakura getting raped by penis worms again.

... excuse me what?

I have so many question about the kind of person who can write this and the kind of person that actually wants to read it...

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