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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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It was there to a degree in X but Xrd amplified it way more in both the design and pose and also added jiggle animation because of course.
Yep, that change is pretty blatant objectification. Her old design isn't perfect but I like it much more. The jiggle is comically absurd. Magic physics.
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Nintendo posted on their Twitter account the full render of Female Avatar of Three Houses.
I still wonder who thought it was a good idea that outfit. It looks hideous. And completely out of place. This is seriously making me consider use the male Avatar unless I can change her class, or even her outfit while still using the Avatar original class.
It's terrible, they look dead inside. Generally I picke female avatars but in this one I'll pick the male which even then, I don't like it either. The artstyle and designs of Uta pri artist makes me feel conflicted. On one side, you have the three main ones that we got before but on other, she has such a same face problem that I can't recognize her other characters well as they always feel samey to me. Maybe it's too early and I'll see in other light when it launches but for now only the main trio is really good to me.
I feel like the women of Tekken are, generally speaking, a lot better designed than most female fighters from other Japanese IP's. A lot of what they wear seem to be inspired by ridiculous haute couture and catwalk fashion. Anna being a great example.
Her hair flapping wildly in her X sprite is a bit much but the pose also serves her character better. Her hand gripping her sword emphasizes her fighting style, and the tattered sleave blowing in the wind calls attention to her missing arm so it isn't as out there when a giant claw on a chain suddenly comes out of it.
I was never into Tekken but I really like Jun's Tag Tournament 2 design.
That was seriously the smallest image I could find.
For reference, original brown hair, tattoo-less BalkanIt was there to a degree in X but Xrd amplified it way more in both the design and pose and also added jiggle animation because of course.
(This was the best sprite I could find)
She still has cleavage during some animations, but for a lot of them it's either an undefined chest or barely noticeable.
It was there to a degree in X but Xrd amplified it way more in both the design and pose and also added jiggle animation because of course.
Ah yeah, the fabled breast bone produces a gentle jell-O-like movement even during slight movements. Chun-li was diagnosed with this once
Ah yeah, the fabled breast bone produces a gentle jell-O-like movement even during slight movements. Chun-li was diagnosed with this once
I think this specific thing has been "fixed", right? But regardless, SFV is such a mess on that front...
Even Civilization of all games isn't free of sexualized women.
Granted it's a spinoff Asian MMO, but it's still funny to see.
Granted it's a spinoff Asian MMO, but it's still funny to see.
Do we have a broader feminism thread here on Era? I searched and didn't find anything. I think we really need one. So apologies in advanced for this out of topic post, but I really need to vent among sensible people.
It's so infuriating how a woman's work can very often be judged and reduced to the man she's dating. Case in point: the artist Grimes. I really like her music. I've fallen in love with it ever since I first heard Oblivion on the Visions album. Back then, this song resonated with me on so many personal levels...
But ever since that fucking 2018 MET Gala, all we ever hear about when people talks about her is fucking Elon Musk. Nearly every times. It makes me so mad.
There was an absolutely great article about her art and her life a few days ago by Flaunt titled: Who Knew World-Building Would Be So Difficult? They do mention Musk in it (once in about 2 000 words), but only to put in perspective how shitty last year has been for her:
Being true to her weird and eclectic character, she expressed many of her bizarre, radical ideas in the Flaunt article. So obviously many other outlets reported back about them. Nearly every of those other articles ended up talking about Musk. For no real reason. And don't get me started about all the fucking comments underneath them...
Everybody is free to like her or not, but can we judge her for her actual work, please? And not exclusively because if the guy she's dating? If I was her I would't get out of my home anymore. I can't believe this shit is still happening on that level in 2019.
This, and many of the examples in this very thread unfortunately prove that there are still many issues facing modern feminism...
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It's so infuriating how a woman's work can very often be judged and reduced to the man she's dating. Case in point: the artist Grimes. I really like her music. I've fallen in love with it ever since I first heard Oblivion on the Visions album. Back then, this song resonated with me on so many personal levels...
But ever since that fucking 2018 MET Gala, all we ever hear about when people talks about her is fucking Elon Musk. Nearly every times. It makes me so mad.
There was an absolutely great article about her art and her life a few days ago by Flaunt titled: Who Knew World-Building Would Be So Difficult? They do mention Musk in it (once in about 2 000 words), but only to put in perspective how shitty last year has been for her:
Being true to her weird and eclectic character, she expressed many of her bizarre, radical ideas in the Flaunt article. So obviously many other outlets reported back about them. Nearly every of those other articles ended up talking about Musk. For no real reason. And don't get me started about all the fucking comments underneath them...
Everybody is free to like her or not, but can we judge her for her actual work, please? And not exclusively because if the guy she's dating? If I was her I would't get out of my home anymore. I can't believe this shit is still happening on that level in 2019.
This, and many of the examples in this very thread unfortunately prove that there are still many issues facing modern feminism...
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Yeah. In this case it seems like it might actually have been a bug, since it never happened on P1 side. Still took them like a year to fix it though.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a year. Not even close. But don't quote me on this.
I'm sorry for ignoring the main point of your post, but yeah, we absolutely need one!
I love how she has a convenient hole in her clothes around her waist. Make a disembowling her so much easier for the enemies.Nintendo posted on their Twitter account the full render of Female Avatar of Three Houses.
I still wonder who thought it was a good idea that outfit. It looks hideous. And completely out of place. This is seriously making me consider use the male Avatar unless I can change her class, or even her outfit while still using the Avatar original class.
Never change, Japan.Nintendo posted on their Twitter account the full render of Female Avatar of Three Houses.
I still wonder who thought it was a good idea that outfit. It looks hideous. And completely out of place. This is seriously making me consider use the male Avatar unless I can change her class, or even her outfit while still using the Avatar original class.
Jun was one of my mains back on Tekken 2, hahah. I was disappointed when she was cut from 3, although Jin inheriting (literally) some of her moves was cool (he became my main alongside Xiaoyu).
I don't know anything about birds but the bird-shaped pattern on that costume is probably a reference to her White Heron series of (infinite!) strings.
Has been a favorite youtube channel of mine for quite a while. Great finale too. I had no knowledge about Poison at all except for when she was in SF recently and I thought her costume was terrible but given her history it almost makes sense.
Nintendo posted on their Twitter account the full render of Female Avatar of Three Houses.
I still wonder who thought it was a good idea that outfit. It looks hideous. And completely out of place. This is seriously making me consider use the male Avatar unless I can change her class, or even her outfit while still using the Avatar original class.
They were just protecting their account for a bit.
But yeah, this really illustrates the differences between a leotard and the corset teddy she's actually wearing.
I was disappointed she didn't get a better outfit redesign like Millia did. I wanted more redesigns in general, but especially for Baiken and Dizzy because the sexualized outfits really don't fit them.I'll just talk about Baiken for a moment. I recently got her in the gacha game Epic7. She is a collaboration character from Guilty Gear. I expected her to be a lot more sexualised in Epic7 but instead she sort of remained the same as she was in Guilty Gear. This is by no means a great design considering the ridiculously open chest but aside from this I really Baiken. She is one of the few characters I think who are both a woman and feature a disability - she only has one arm (yeah, its a fighting game so her sprite is mirrored when she turns but I'll give that a pass). She has a hidden chained claw type weapon in her sleeve but otherwise she is a strong character. I guess I'm just incredibly surprised given Epic7's usual animation often features quick close ups of tits and ass/jiggles while Baiken's attack animation is surprisingly clean.
Guilty Gear's characters are all a bit peculiar so I won't go into her personality.
What gets me is that you literally only have to watch gymnastics to understand the difference...but I guess that does necessitate interacting with the Real World...
I agree with you but the last place I'd imagine for them to have decent designs would probably be in a mobile gacha game. If anything it isn't as bad as I expected but I feel like they will make up for this with Dizzy any way.
https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Cammy?action=history
It's pretty clear it's the classic wiki vandalism you can find on any kind of wiki to be fair. It's just two posters trying to add that since a week, while some others (classic editors?) are trying to remove that weird addition.
Doubt that Leigh Alexander will correct that, or say why she's highlighting that idiocy anyway, since she never does that.
edit: looking at her replies, unsurprisingly enough, some of those doing that vandalism are part of that convo.
This is also BS; she wears a leotard because it's only thing she ever trained in during her Doll phase, and that's only because M.Bison forced all the Dolls to wear sexy leotards.
One of the SF4 animes goes to great lengths of Juri essentially torturing the remaining dolls, taking time to point out every little step that they were basically made to be sex slaves for Bison as she's murdering them.
She STILL wears a leotard because Bison wants her to.
Yeah it's not like this anymore. SF5's physics engine is pretty janky and messing with values that control positioning of the hud or color of the text can alter the table values which govern breast size. It's nuts. The more we learn about modding SF5, the crazier the base code is.
I understand what you're saying completely but I always like to remind myself from time to time that fictional characters don't get vetos over their authors; she wears a leotard because the developers want her to (be it for fan service, brand identity reasons, etc).
Oh yes, of course. She has several leotards in her closet because the makers of the game want Cammy to be in a leotard, full stop.
But there are also CANONICAL reasons about why she doesn't stop wearing the literal uniform of her abuser. Not good reasons but...reasons.
Objectification is objectification. The reasoning really isn't meaningful in the context of any fighting game I've played, and it's certainly not the case for Cammy or any of the other Street Fighter character.
I think we're all in agreement. Putting a character in a sexualized attire is the creator's choice first and story justification come later, so you cannot use the latter to justify the former; but if the reasons are shitty and sexist by themselves, that makes it even worse and merits commenting as well.
In other words: in-story reasons can't make the situation better, but they can actually make it worse. E.g. that SNK Girls game where they're not just wearing shitty costumes; they're wearing them because a pervert is forcing them to.
In other words: in-story reasons can't make the situation better, but they can actually make it worse. E.g. that SNK Girls game where they're not just wearing shitty costumes; they're wearing them because a pervert is forcing them to.
You know what really pisses me off? The fact that if a hypothetical SFVI came out and Cammys default design was something like this:
There would be insane backlash just because she's wearing pants(the top is dumb though), like its some sacred tradition that Cammy never wears pants to respect her legacy. The fact that i know people can't see her as anything without her fucking leotard makes me feel none of her "fans" actually gives a shit about her as a person unless she's sexualized. and then the same people will argue the leotard isn't sexualized just because shes not literally having sex or some shit because these people are so fucking predictable.
Its the same as those shit DC "fans" that went crazy because New 52 WW was going to have pants:
getting that mad because a female character has pants is fucking insane. Like the audacity that Diana wear pants!!!! how can the picture on the right make people sooo mad? HOW? not to mention the many DC fans that don't actually give a shit about WW, like the majority that complained dam sure weren't reading her comics but they will fight the heavens to make sure she never covers up her thighs. But MK11 has shown me that any progression to give legacy characters legit designs will just be dropped in the "forced SJW political statement". Like Ms.Marvel Kamala has a good design and is fine but if she came out in the 90's wearing some skintight leather suit and they changed her to her current design there would be backlash. Basically once you a fictional woman wears a sexy outfit that's all that defines their entire character, to these people WW isn't an Icon of feminism or heroic values shes just the hot girl that better not dare wear pants. Sorry if this reads like a cluster im jacked on caffeine and mad at the world atm lol.
You know what really pisses me off? The fact that if a hypothetical SFVI came out and Cammys default design was something like this:
There would be insane backlash just because she's wearing pants(the top is dumb though), like its some sacred tradition that Cammy never wears pants to respect her legacy. The fact that i know people can't see her as anything without her fucking leotard makes me feel none of her "fans" actually gives a shit about her as a person unless she's sexualized. and then the same people will argue the leotard isn't sexualized just because shes not literally having sex or some shit because these people are so fucking predictable.
Its the same as those shit DC "fans" that went crazy because New 52 WW was going to have pants:
getting that mad because a female character has pants is fucking insane. Like the audacity that Diana wear pants!!!! how can the picture on the right make people sooo mad? HOW? not to mention the many DC fans that don't actually give a shit about WW, like the majority that complained dam sure weren't reading her comics but they will fight the heavens to make sure she never covers up her thighs. But MK11 has shown me that any progression to give legacy characters legit designs will just be dropped in the "forced SJW political statement". Like Ms.Marvel Kamala has a good design and is fine but if she came out in the 90's wearing some skintight leather suit and they changed her to her current design there would be backlash. Basically once you a fictional woman wears a sexy outfit that's all that defines their entire character, to these people WW isn't an Icon of feminism or heroic values shes just the hot girl that better not dare wear pants. Sorry if this reads like a cluster im jacked on caffeine and mad at the world atm lol.
They don't actually care about the character. They are just so used to fanservices that they see anything not 500% pandering to them as "censorship". See also the "controversy" over R. Mika not emphasizing her ass slap in her super.
You know what really pisses me off? The fact that if a hypothetical SFVI came out and Cammys default design was something like this:
There would be insane backlash just because she's wearing pants(the top is dumb though), like its some sacred tradition that Cammy never wears pants to respect her legacy. The fact that i know people can't see her as anything without her fucking leotard makes me feel none of her "fans" actually gives a shit about her as a person unless she's sexualized. and then the same people will argue the leotard isn't sexualized just because shes not literally having sex or some shit because these people are so fucking predictable.
So scandalous.
This is a mod of Final Fight outfit right?
So scandalous.
Should have honestly went with this if they don't want to tone down the sexy stuff. Way better outfit than a leotard. More stylish too.
God these SJWs are ruining everything! Way to disrespect the iconic legacy of Cammy not wearing pants! Everyone knows Cammy has PTSD from being a doll and must not wear anything resembling pants or she can't cope in modern society!
So scandalous.
My god this is so much better than her default.
LOOK AT HOW THEY RUINED HER CHARACTER! MAKING HER WEAR TWO LAYERS OF CLOTHING!
Cammy's Jill outfit should be standard. Looks way more badass and much more fitting for her job.
Thanks. Looked really real that I would have thought Capcom released it for the game. Way better than her main.Yeah it's from Final Fight Streetwise.
I may disappear for this but I think I found further proof that cammy might be okay with normal military dress attire!
LOOK AT HOW THEY RUINED HER CHARACTER! MAKING HER WEAR TWO LAYERS OF CLOTHING!
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