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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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there is a game with penis.
EQUALITY ACCOMPLISHED.
.... start to discuss in good faith or go away.
One thing to bear in mind is that sexualisation/objectification and nudity are not equivalent. You can have one without the other. For all its nudity, RUST is not a sexy game.
Grand Theft Auto V, you see Trevor's penis as well.. Plenty of games are starting to follow the trend... I am discussing in good faith and I believe that the only people complaining just want to go against the lore of the games in question.
Yeah as far as I can tell female gamers havent stopped their complaints about how much harassment they get. You saying "it hurts no one" is simply untrue, people just don't realize how media tends to feed real life and vice versa.
you are comparing seeing a dick with objectification like if it was the same thing, you are talking about "lores" without even saying what games and what lores, and ignoring that lores in games are just fictitional pieces in games that can be written to say literallty everything...hard to say you come from good faith but if true please take a read to the thread because everything about that has been adressed.
Do you believe that Rust, GTA, The Order, and similar games are showing off male genitalia to appeal to players in the same way Soulcalibur, Dead or Alive, and SNK Heroines contain female characters who have bikini outfits for battle gear?
So that reminded me of something that tends to come up, namely the equivalence of nudity and sexualisation, which has always bothered me. In the past I've seen people in other threads will pipe up with "Why are you complaining about sexualisation in X when Y has more nudity? Surely that's worse." which speaks to a fairly immature view of sexual matters.
In particular it focuses specifically on content alone, devoid of context or framing. It would be like saying Doom should be criticised more than Hatred because there's more gore. And it seems odd that people who are easily capable of contextualising violent content in such a way as to judge whether it's appropriate or not, are not capable of doing the same for sexual content. I suppose it makes more sense that they're not so much incapable as they are unwilling, since it would force them to reflect more on how women are portrayed in games.
I don't want sexual themes to be removed from games, but neither do I think the solution is necessarily to add more objectified men (as some people occasionally offer as a compromise). I just want sexual matters to be used in a more interesting and thoughtful way, beyond just being softcore pornography.
In particular it focuses specifically on content alone, devoid of context or framing. It would be like saying Doom should be criticised more than Hatred because there's more gore. And it seems odd that people who are easily capable of contextualising violent content in such a way as to judge whether it's appropriate or not, are not capable of doing the same for sexual content. I suppose it makes more sense that they're not so much incapable as they are unwilling, since it would force them to reflect more on how women are portrayed in games.
I don't want sexual themes to be removed from games, but neither do I think the solution is necessarily to add more objectified men (as some people occasionally offer as a compromise). I just want sexual matters to be used in a more interesting and thoughtful way, beyond just being softcore pornography.
I know they're banned, but...
They were so close, yet so far.
...Yeah, exactly, hence the reason for the complaints about how many character outfits are designed with sex in mind rather than combat. >_>
They were so close, yet so far.
The funniest part is that he was posting in a bunch of different topics trying to get his post count up before he dropped that stupid ass bomb in here. Like he knew all the obvious trolls only have like one or two post before they make the troll post so he half-assed it by making a bunch of post in about an hour trying to make himself look more legitimate.
It's funny (and sad) how far these trolls will go for something that everyone can see right through.
I would really love for sex and sexuality to be touched on at all instead of being a catch-all that includes "the cheapest, most titillating shit for 14 year-old boys." Give me some Gaspar Noe shit, video games. Like Thumper but more explicit.
man it's hard watching this whole thread get owned so hard by that one poster
nobody was able to counter his brilliant arguments at all
truly, a powerful master debater
nobody was able to counter his brilliant arguments at all
truly, a powerful master debater
We were fools. While we were talking among ourselves. He studied the boner culture.
Don't forget that he was a lore expert too! Truly a man of many talents.
Can I just say how much I love the term "boner culture"? Especially when you add in the original meaning of "boner" was slang for stupid mistake, or being an idiot. It just works on so many levels.
It's scary how accurate this is to our current gaming landscape.
I am dying right now.
It's scary how accurate this is to our current gaming landscape.
I'd say all the stuff that's already been mentioned bears repeating, but like, it really shouldn't by now. This is like, being a decent human being 101.
You might ever say it's boner-fide.
It's scary how accurate this is to our current gaming landscape.
Yeah - or maybe wait just 3 days longer until all those who are on blackout and want to rant as well can participate?
Nothing says "I'm definitely a straight guy" then a dude thinking that Trevor's, aka this guy:
penis being shown=an example of male sexualization.
penis being shown=an example of male sexualization.
PLEASE PAY ZERO ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A GAME WHERE MALE NUDITY IS MEANT TO BE A HUMOROUS CONCEPT
Fair enough? For those here still on the fence with the product though, knowing in advance might be the dealbreaker they ought to know about. Again, they are free to check out the spoiler thread... right now.
Purchase warning? Ok.
In my head started a pages long discussion here immediately. These last days are killing me.
In my head started a pages long discussion here immediately. These last days are killing me.
Is there a specific page I should be looking at? It's 36 pages long.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/un...iler-thread-it-has-begun.101733/post-18543029
Spoilers for DMC V obviously
After all the previews and after seeing this part of the final trailer, I knew not to expect much when it comes to the women of this game. And then I see that post in the spoiler thread....
And as usual things like this will just be drowned out during the HYPE period. Especially since this is the latest new game in an old series.
And as usual things like this will just be drowned out during the HYPE period. Especially since this is the latest new game in an old series.
They're my favorite character of the series. If all they do is fanservice, I would have preferred that they didn't show up at all.
Uggghhhhh I read a huge chunk of magi a couple of years ago and was really enjoying it( I left off at the point where they first meet Ren and he joins them on a dungeon). Seeing this is really disappointing but i've been gravitating away from shonen recently because its a continuous cycle of girls being sidelined because young male readers can't possibly understand girls being competent for too long. Its why im falling off MHA hype because despite having 20 students if your not Deku,Bakugou or Todoroki you don't matter(especially if your a female).
I just started world trigger this week and for how much I love the use of Trion and battles, there's just so much blatant sexist shit that reminds me why I stopped reading shonen series:
"wow this characters kind of unlikable lets circumvent that by giving her bigger breast! That will allow readers to tolerate her!"
Kishimoto should have taken notes, all he had to do to fix Sakura apparently was give her a bigger bust GENIUS!
I just started world trigger this week and for how much I love the use of Trion and battles, there's just so much blatant sexist shit that reminds me why I stopped reading shonen series:
"wow this characters kind of unlikable lets circumvent that by giving her bigger breast! That will allow readers to tolerate her!"
Kishimoto should have taken notes, all he had to do to fix Sakura apparently was give her a bigger bust GENIUS!
Uggghhhhh I read a huge chunk of magi a couple of years ago and was really enjoying it( I left off at the point where they first meet Ren and he joins them on a dungeon). Seeing this is really disappointing but i've been gravitating away from shonen recently because its a continuous cycle of girls being sidelined because young male readers can't possibly understand girls being competent for too long. Its why im falling off MHA hype because despite having 20 students if your not Deku,Bakugou or Todoroki you don't matter(especially if your a female).
I just started world trigger this week and for how much I love the use of Trion and battles, there's just so much blatant sexist shit that reminds me why I stopped reading shonen series:
"wow this characters kind of unlikable lets circumvent that by giving her bigger breast! That will allow readers to tolerate her!"
Kishimoto should have taken notes, all he had to do to fix Sakura apparently was give her a bigger bust GENIUS!
It's a weird area where he talks about it, but it never really shows up in the art since he draws girls in normal clothing and there aren't any objectifying angles. Ashihara handles his female characters pretty well other wise.
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Ooh I'm into all of these other than 5 (the sweater just seems more like something you'd wear to dinner).Well, I wouldn't want to keep you from a good night rest, so I'll try to be concise. The high end gear would be the most practical. That is, if she was wearing the cop clothes from previous post the argument that she could pick better gear is still valid, if a little bit less so, as a full jacket and pants would be better suited for the outbreak.
To finish, if we look Jill's clothes from a purely practical stand point, yes, her costume is stupid. But this is game, not real life. And in that cotext her costume manages to be appealing and became iconic. And I'd like to believe it's because it created an interesting contrast. Jill was tough, was basically in hell yet wore this simple and out of place clothes.
And to say something... diplomatic, I'd be perfectly happy with outfits 2, 4 and 5 form here:
Although I'd prefer her to wear skort leggings.
Honestly Magi is way less infuriating than MHA, it's not great though :/ at least before being shelved these women were political leaders, villains, generals, wise magicians and/or had ridiculous amounts of inhuman strenghtUggghhhhh I read a huge chunk of magi a couple of years ago and was really enjoying it( I left off at the point where they first meet Ren and he joins them on a dungeon). Seeing this is really disappointing but i've been gravitating away from shonen recently because its a continuous cycle of girls being sidelined because young male readers can't possibly understand girls being competent for too long. Its why im falling off MHA hype because despite having 20 students if your not Deku,Bakugou or Todoroki you don't matter(especially if your a female).
I just started world trigger this week and for how much I love the use of Trion and battles, there's just so much blatant sexist shit that reminds me why I stopped reading shonen series:
"wow this characters kind of unlikable lets circumvent that by giving her bigger breast! That will allow readers to tolerate her!"
Kishimoto should have taken notes, all he had to do to fix Sakura apparently was give her a bigger bust GENIUS!
The most empowering battle shounen I read was Jojo part 6(Stone ocean), if you get past the beginning you'll just see an anime version of Orange is the New Black... like i won't say there will never be times the story gets bad because some editor said there were too many women in the cast, and reading Narciso is pure suffering. But Jolyne is hands down the best Jojo ever written in the whole franchise, which is awesome as she's the only girl protagonist there so far.
As for other series... it's complicated. I like FMA:B a lot, but winry is a bit sidelined. The author compensates by making every other female character god damn competent and awesome though, she made some great characters and pretty diverse ones...
I like HxH but there's not much female representation there aside from some supporting characters or villains(which are all very competent and well written), as the main cast is usually comprised of 4 boys. If you catch up with the manga, though, it's got the fiercest women I've ever seen and the series usually has a very diverse female cast in terms of appearance/body shape, not much for color though afair...It also has a trans girl in a saga that deals with family struggles and it's honestly not cringy about that, which is a plus.
I love shounen manga but being a fan of. It is a pain. I used to like MHA but Deku became so OP it became a very boring thing to read and the author being a creep didn't help much :/
Ironically when harem manga starts to turn into action manga, by virtue of the fact that the women being constant in the main guy's life, they tend to actually treat women with far more agency otherwise. This, of course, is immediately countered by the fact that 99% of it is fanservice wank. Though things like Negima (Pacto jokes aside) and Rosario Vampire surprisingly are a lot better when they become battle shounen vs harem mangas...though they still have a laundry list of problems.
Haha, yeah, i remember loving el hazard because of how badass the ladies were, but i have no clue of how bad it was actually because i was too young when I watched it >_>
SAO tho, i wonder what the writer wants to change cause it was the polar opposite of what you said lol
The funniest part is that DMC is one of the few series where the nudity of a male character makes more sense to the game than of a woman.
BUT ALAS
I never watched SAO but heard it dropped quickly in quality because of what happens in season 2. What happened since I'm no longer interested in finding out?
Oh they got asuna in the hands of the nastiest rapist ever and she spends the whole alfheim arc being a damsel
Then i quit
Btw dude rips her clothes and all, its really sexual assault and not just implied and creepy oogling
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