Hey, guess what? EVERYTHING has politics. Everything. Even if you refuse to see them.
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Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream (READ OP)
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Hey, guess what? EVERYTHING has politics. Everything. Even if you refuse to see them.
I mean, if you pair your first sentence with the following two points, you're saying that things can't change and we should all just shut up.
Demanding more is something we should all be doing, regardless of your gender or creed, because games can get better if people stop trying to latch themselves to the status quo.
Also, you literally cannot leave politics out of games. Your favorite game has a political throughline in it, regardless of what it is.
there's a lot to unpack here and there's a lot of retcons as well.
I can't believe women dressing realistically is politics. I'll have to call my MP, ask what his stance is.
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Fiction is inherently political. "Keeping politics out of games" just means adhering to the status quo, which is itself a political stance. Representation of minority groups isn't "politics", it's representing the reality of the world we live in. If you're against that because "muh apoliticism" then pro tip you're probably trash
You're a burner account with no insight to bring who didn't read the OP, asking people to shut up about things that affect us everyday. Why in the world should anyone respect you?
I mean, "games are for boys and not girls so everything is fine" is quite the statement.
Let's get real, though. The Xeno franchise came from this:
True story.
I'm a man, and you can piss off. It's not the characters that are cardboards, it's you.
- Games are just for men
- Keep women out my vidya
- I like hot girls
- Keep politics out my vidya
- U stfu u mean womz
- I don't care but I care enough to post in this thread
You're a fucking moron citing comics, manga and movies as 'the same', as if manga, comics and movies do not have entire genres appealing to women.
Why in the world would you go for this thread to push this kind of shit when you're literally just 10 posts in?
I mean if the account isn't a burner account that is.
The funny thing is that the whole "making sure not to make other players uncomfortable" is pretty much roleplay 101. There's hundreds of pages with tips about doing this, and even more pages talking about what not to do. You'll get thrown out of a RP event if you're making people uncomfortable, and the whole idea is to have a good time together. I mean, sure, there's cutthroat RPers, but I've only met four in my whole life. They're not very common, in my experience - and definitely not IRL. They don't last long.
This reeks of people with very little contact with the community trying to push into it and failing utterly.
Yeah, I've noticed the same. It's... quite something. I'm personally blaming marketing. So much of it, when it comes to games, is ridiculously divisive - and "the other side is for girls" was often a part of that :/
As well as other rather nasty stuff. Like the German magazine "PC Action" - it'd call things the authors disliked gay (to be more precise, it used the term "Schwulitäten", which isn't a nice term and kinda translates to "gay things" or "gay happenings")
"devout islamist".
Man, gamergaters are so goddamn stupid.
I know have ABBA stuck in my head. Why am I the one being punished here? :P
it's going to be a gamergate bingo without a mention about boogie really.
I guess you have to change the 'ethics in game journalism' as well.
As the one currently making that master post thing (on page 121!), there is a pretty obvious pattern here.
Hell, it was the first group I did who refused to follow that why I almost never got into Pathfinder/DnD. On my first game ever, my player was raped by another because "he needed to feel joy" and the DM laughed about it. I got so upset I left because of how disgusted I was. It really opened my eyes at how sexist many nerd things can be.
The dicks in that game aren't attached to sexualized men, so no, not really. Good question though!
Indeed, I see angry incels that scream angrily that women should leave their fandom in all your example, and everyone else laughing at them. Mostly since women have been there all along.
Sailor Moon wasn't aimed at guys. Neither was Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne. Shocking, I know. Funny enough, over here we've got more manga aimed at women translated than at men. Weird!
Even more shocking: All the marvel comics made with female readers in mind. Man, sucks for incels that comics address women more and more, too, doesn't it? :)
I've had some similar stories, mostly in online RP, and am glad that especially art German cons, guys like that get banned. Sorry you had this experience, it's really not how RPing is supposed to be done. :(
FUCKKKK girl you just name dropped Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne?! Can I be your best friend now?
I don't even get the mangas and movies point.
Like I guess Twilight was all about dudebros being into vampire shit and shojo is really just about buff men all along.
It's not even a recent trend or whatever, like I'm pretty sure the movies with Romy Schneider weren't targetting men like Stalone movies were.
How uninformed you need to be to even spout this BS?
Like I guess Twilight was all about dudebros being into vampire shit and shojo is really just about buff men all along.
It's not even a recent trend or whatever, like I'm pretty sure the movies with Romy Schneider weren't targetting men like Stalone movies were.
How uninformed you need to be to even spout this BS?
A lot of this is pretty accurate to the thread. I didn't realise so much of the criticism is so gamergate-y
Someone mod this lol we can keep a ton of spaces
Very mature.
Is that all you could think of?
Come on, have a decent discussion with they guy and tell him why you disagree.
Dropping F-bombs is not they was to have a decent discussion.
I think the way it presents the nudity is a big part of it. Not just the context but also things like how it's framed by the camera. Like, in the Cyberpunk demo the part that really stuck out to me was how when the player character was examining, resuscitating, and carrying the woman out to the trauma team her body was positioned to have her breasts in the frame at all times. Things like this in big productions aren't things that slip in accidentally, they're decisions that take time to implement that people have to sign off on.
Know what I do when I see a manga aimed at women that doesn't interest me? I don't read it. It's not hard. There's enough stuff aimed at boys/men out there that I will never be short of things to read.
Although I do have an issue with women-aimed manga featuring abusive relationships or featuring rape, especially in the BL/yaoi scene. That's no bueno.
I mean, this is OT2 so there are 200+ more pages where every single point on that user's post were discussed at nauseam, and they're even in the OP of this thread.
So, what else needs to be said that hasn't been said already?
What kind of conversation do you want to have with someone who thinks that movies are all about targetting men and who doesn't even know shojos actually exists?
Yep, there is a tonal shift, it's a bit more adult and serious and that's representated in the music as well. If you know the story you know what i mean, that won't be a walk in the park for those characters. But we will see how it turns out in the end (i don't really bother the designs and jokes in XB2 too much, but i don't demand them in this prequel and if more people can enjoy it, fine).
Yah see, anime is only all for boys. That's why Free! exists, because boys like to see this..
Yep!Deinitely an anime for boys!
Someone mod this lol we can keep a ton of spaces
Change "Uses the word 'Authoritarian' " to "Uses the word 'Puritanical' "
Not everyone has seen that thread.
I think its best to educate people properly on the matter rather than swearing.
People get banned for that usually.
We've had 200/400+ pages of discussion with that type. Why do we need more of that garbage here?
This is the second topic on the subject and has an expanded first post that touches on more rebuttals that people have given for being against women critiquing sexualized designs. The poster clearly did not read either the original topic's OP or this one.
I understand what you are saying but I think a healthy discussion is the best way. You can educate people better that way.
People trolling also get banned, that's why we usually don't entertain flat earthers in thread about the latest event from Nasa.
That is because this site (and the old one) is basically just a glorified echo chamber, this thread isn't for discussing sexualization in games, it's for people to share their view on this subject as long as it's validates the OP.
To me it's quite sad honestly, there is a lot to be said about many subjects regarding tropes both for male in female in media but this can never happen here since, like you said, people are silenced for disagreeing.
And just to be on the safe side, I agree with many of OPs points, sexualiztion of women in gaming should be taking more seriously, and that extends to other mediums as well.
Lol I hear you. There are trolls in here for sure and I think thats ban worthy. But some simply are expressing an opinion in a non aggressive manner and are being told to fuck off etc with no consequence.
Plenty of discussion can happen when people are willing to discuss.
Whatever the fuck do you think is going to be discussed when a guy comes in and basically call everyone names and claim the whole thing is BS?
Like the 10 post guy, he could have come and make a point but nope he just went on a BS tour like it was going out of style.
At least don't come spouting laughable shit like movies for women and an entire industry of manga for women don't actually exist.
I'm all for discussion but let's not entertain gross BS when we see it.
If that user wasn't trolling you may have had a point.
I mean you say that, even though the only people who have been banned in this thread are actively trolling.
Also, your statement of "I TOTALLY DISAGREE! But I agree so don't ban me" is pretty thin man. If you have a point to make that's actually on topic, make it, and stop complaining about people getting swatted down for trolling.
The person you're defending's point was "video games, movies and anime are for boys, and they don't need to change".
Why should we entertain that? It's obviously not true.
You can not educate people that are not interested in being educated. He immediately jumped to the old and tired "no politics in gaming", unaware of the fact that politics are everywhere to begin with, and also demonstrating and articulating very clearly that he has no interest in female representation that goes beyond "hot women" in his entertainment products. He is too far up his own arse, and just came here to let us all know. Whether he phrased it civilly or not does not matter when the contents of his post are devoid of any kind of respect towards the female sex.
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