This and it also doesn't help that I think Toby Maguire is a mediocre actor.
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Why Tobey Maguire Will Always Be the Best Spider-Man
- Thread starter Segafreak
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I always find it weird when people complain about the new Spider-Man movies having too many connections to the MCU. Like it's not a real Spider-Man movie unless no other heroes are mentioned.
This is literally how the Marvel universe has been since day one.
Fucking Amazing Spider-Man #1 has the Fantastic Four on the cover.
This is literally how the Marvel universe has been since day one.
Fucking Amazing Spider-Man #1 has the Fantastic Four on the cover.
I'm going to be honest. The Raimi films, a little dated, yes, but do I think they hold up? Yes.
If you want to talk about superhero movies from that time period that do not hold up very well, I think the X-Men movies are a much better example.
If you want to talk about superhero movies from that time period that do not hold up very well, I think the X-Men movies are a much better example.
Tobey wasnt great but his material is superior. Tom isnt great either, and as others said, wannabe Tony Stark undermines him ontop of the multi billion dollar resources available to him. Yes, Raimi Spidey is superior, but both actors are serviceable.
Poor argument, none of us were alive for many great movies (Godfather, Starwars) but can easily assert what is quality cinema compared to contemporary cinema without the period blinding our judgement.
There are also the ASM fans. There are dozens of us. DOZENS!
Spider-Man 2: 93% RT
Homecoming: 92% RT
Far From Home: 90% RT
Spider-Man: 90% RT
Spider-Man 3: 63% RT
Spiderman 2: 83 MC
Homecoming: 73 MC
Spiderman: 73 MC
Far From Home: 69 MC
Spiderman 3: 59 MC
So Spider-Man 2 is a little better reviewed, but not hugely so, and Spider-Man 1 definitely isn't. It has also the benefit of being compared to the crap that was being passed around for superhero movies at the time and not the MCU. Imagine if Far From Home released at a time where most of it's competition was on the level of Batman v Superman.
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Ned: "YES YES"
Peter: "Ey, ey, ey, ey, ey big guy quit movin' around!"
lol
While I enjoyed the Rami movies at the time, I vastly prefer the current MCU ones.
I mean the rubble scene in homecoming is literally better than any scene in the Rami trilogy imo, it's just such a raw moment.
I mean the rubble scene in homecoming is literally better than any scene in the Rami trilogy imo, it's just such a raw moment.
It's the nature of the connections. Spider-Man number 1 had a two page sequence meeting the FF. Far From Home had the shadow of Tony Stark over the whole thing.
Um.... I saw Star Wars in the theater on release (now THERE'S a movie I have nostalgia goggles for).
I mean that was kind of the point? Like it was one of the main themes of the movie though?
That's the complaint. Peter is overshadowed by a character who is dead and not even in the movie.
I like FFH a lot, but would like it more without so much Iron Man focus.
So you think FFH would be a better movie if one of the key themes, and Peter's primary internal conflict was removed?
He's not overshadowed by Iron Man, the loss of Iron Man is key to Peter's development and feeling of pressure and weight on his shoulder. As well as his relationship with Mysterio. And his big climactic moment is using spider sense, not iron tech, to take down the villain.
You can't take away the shadow of Iron Man if you want it to continue naturally from Endgame and Homecoming, or without it being a totally different movie.
Riskless formula? They built their brand on risks and succeeded. Had Iron Man failed they bank would have sold off all their IP's.
These are all huge risks:
Almost as if growing out of that shadow was the entire point and the development for Peter.
Riskless formula? They built their brand on risks and succeeded. Had Iron Man failed they bank would have sold off all their IP's.
These are all huge risks:
It feels like yesterday when we read stuff like "you just can't do a Superhero team up movie"
The MCU has taken huge risks continuously, it just all feels normal now it's taken for granted
They've also taken the biggest risk by far for any Spider-Man movie with the ending of FFH.
It's so confusing to me how he has the name of the character Yuri
MCU was absolutely a risk. Including some of the above as well.Riskless formula? They built their brand on risks and succeeded. Had Iron Man failed they bank would have sold off all their IP's.
These are all huge risks:
The overabundance of success is honestly why the formula has stuck so long and people are waiting for at least one of the films to flop do they can jump with joy.
The thing with the MCU is that it's so successful that a lot of what they do will no longer be seen as a risk unless it's some bizarre choice big enough to end said success.
I'm pretty sure he's married to the voice actress that plays Yuri in the game too lol.
I'm one of the older people on Era, been reading Spidey for my entire life. I never liked Tobey, and the Raimi films only covered a very, very small spectrum of who Spidey is.
The MCU films do a far better job at capturing a young Peter Parker than any of the other movies ever did.
Prefer Tobey over Garfield and Holland.
Yes his Spidey might be dated compared to later interpretations. I found the character a lot better in the Raimi movies. I'm not a fan of Holland's Spidey, his line delivery is not that good - too whiny.
Yes his Spidey might be dated compared to later interpretations. I found the character a lot better in the Raimi movies. I'm not a fan of Holland's Spidey, his line delivery is not that good - too whiny.
I strongly believe that Spider-Man 2 is the GOAT superhero movie but even I can agree that Tom Holland is a step above every other person to put on the tights.
I don't see how anyone can view the Eternals as anything but a risk. I read Marvel shit avidly for years and even I went "Fucking who?!" when it got announced.
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Did anyone actually watch the video?
Because it looks most people saw the thread title and did this
Because it looks most people saw the thread title and did this
You can't really blame them, there's been so many threads with videos like this and the OP did nothing to incorporate any points from the video in the OP.Did anyone actually watch the video?
Because it looks most people saw the thread title and did this
After FFH Holland's appeal started to wear thin. No chemistry with MJ and boring as Spiderman. Bummer.
Interesting take. Not saying you're wrong, just genuinely perplexed as two of the most universally praised aspects of FFM were Holland and his chemistry with Zendaya- even with those that thought the movie was only "ok".
I binged a playlist of reviews because while I enjoyed FFH, I felt like I was the only one that saw issues with the movie and wasn't head over heels. I just needed to know I wasn't being a crab and I generally agree with some of the "nitpicks". I'd give it a solid B but it didn't reach the heights of EtSV, S2 or even Homecoming for me.
But yeah Holland and his MJ relationship were not issues that I had, those two elements work really, really well
It would have been better if that key conflict weren't tied to some other movie. MCU SPider-Man will always be defined by "the kid trying to be/growing into the Iron Man role" now. They seriously could have left it the conflict between wanting to take a vacation from Spider-Man and the responsibility of a hero. No need for EDITH, Mysterio could have had a Stark-free origin, and no Happy coming along to hold Peter's hand.
It's amazing how tastes differ, absolute opposite for me and the people I watched it with.
Completely opposite of my experience.
Is "no chemistry" the same kinda thing as "stakes" and "pacing problems"? Because I thought they had plenty of chemistry and Holland is the best thing about an already-great movie.
I agree with a lot of the points raised in the video. I think it's more of a problem with FFH than Homecoming though. In that in Homecoming, Peter has to make decisions and sacrifices because he's Spider-Man. FFH has very little of that and it largely ends up working in his favor outside of the credits teaser. Peter's life in the MCU is way too good essentially.