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Why Pokemon DP remakes looks and feels worse than RS remakes that came out 7 years ago?
- Thread starter Personablue
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people are criticising the remakes across lots of platforms. it's almost like people try to single-out resetera constantly to excuse away valid criticism.
I think this is really overthinking it. They just made the all of the overworld models look like the original sprites they're based on. They don't have to change the scale of anything that way.
This is a terrible take, while Link's Awakening's art style is not my preference for a Zelda, I cannot deny that it is extremely polished and refined, and achieves what it sets out to do. Upon playing it, I kind of agreed that the original Link's Awakening already had some inclinations towards that art style (the photograph stills are a great example).
Diamond Pearl just looks...bad. It looks like something a fan game in terms of general art style and level of refinement. The overworld style also doesn't mesh with the graphics used in the battle screens at all.
I should say, I mostly mean the end result with regards to what I was talking about, rather than a necessarily purposeful choice.
Those sprites aren't the same proportions though. In fact, that's the main issue. The previous Pokemon sprites, while differing because of new HW, still maintained similar proportions that made them indefinably Pokemon. These models don'tI think this is really overthinking it. They just made the all of the overworld models look like the original sprites they're based on. They don't have to change the scale of anything that way.
How exactly is pointing out that both use Chibi models is a terrible take? Maybe my use of "over world" was a mistake because it seems to be taken as the view of the whole world, when i am referring to the chibi models being situated in the world seem like a contrast.
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It's a low effort post. Unfortunately they're bound to appear in threads like this.
best to ignore them and move on.
I'd argue that RG --> B2W2 was chibi due to graphical/hardware limitations. X and Y were their first attempts at true 3D on a somewhat limited screen size, so chibi still made sense.The chibi style has been a conscious thing since Red and Green.
X and Y were the last new Pokemon games to be tile-based and they still used a chibi style. ORAS took the chibi style X and Y had. But with subsequent games not being tile-based anymore they didn't really have a current style to adhere to besides Let's Go, which is also chibi, but fans lost their minds over those games.
You can may have a point with Let's Go, but that could also be attributed to nostalgia pandering. The same could maybe be said about these upcoming remakes, but y'know, the expectations were set up differently.
It's like the devs forgot the pixel chibi aesthetic was meant to be shorthand for a fully realized world. Making 3d chibis, which leave much less to the imagination, when you can and have made a realized 3d world and characters feels insanely unfaithful to the original, honestly.
It isn't even really about chibi vs not chibi. I like Link's Awakening, I like Bravely Default. But this truly is weird chibi, the characters don't look remotely good. They should have gone with a less squished/blocky style if they really wanted to go this route.
Game looks to me like those Citra mods on the 3DS games where all the outlines got removed. Not saying it looks like a 3ds game, but it looks really flat especially during battles.
I've been saying this! Like I know it feels counterintuitive to say that by adhering too closly to the original it starts to move further away but it's true. Games like oras feel closer to the spirit of the origionals even if they take more liberties
Still really don't like the chibi style (the outlines do help a bit), but holy hell the outlines massively improve Barry's model.Game looks to me like those Citra mods on the 3DS games where all the outlines got removed. Not saying it looks like a 3ds game, but it looks really flat especially during battles.
My dream B/W remake is a widescreen sprite based game. I loved the sprites in gen V. Loved them. Give me that again, in higher fidelity. Give me a full roster of animated, sprite-based Pokémon. I don't even care if we use similar simplistic 3D models for environments. The holy grail would be some HD 2D look like what Square is doing in the Octopath series. But I won't ask that much.
Like, if they legit just took B/W, made it HD (like the Legend of Mana remake), and improved all the 3D models (they looked janky, not gonna lie), I'd probably rebuy it
You insinuated that people just blanket hate the chibi look and thus hate both LA and Diamond/Pearl remakes while that couldn't be further from the truth. People (on the whole) appreciate the style of LA, while most people in this thread have expressed dislike of Diamond/Pearl's art style. The two are not the same.
Id take it, if it included some convenience features like having hard mode from the start and being able to check EVs and IVs from my main menu.
Game looks to me like those Citra mods on the 3DS games where all the outlines got removed. Not saying it looks like a 3ds game, but it looks really flat especially during battles.
This really does look so much better. Almost entirely gets rid of that low budget vibe.
And I am only really talking about the chibi, which people do hate and implying that people don't is also wrong. Because Online all I've seen on other sites is people complaining about why it is chibi and describe the same kind of comments regarding the characters as they were when LA was revealed and it was "ew wtf why do the characters look like that?"
Even if This game looked identical to LA, the complaint of "why do they look like chibi" still stands because both use character models that are aiming for a similar or same appeal.
It's ugly as fuck honestly. You're a crazy person if you think it looks better than Let's Go.
It's clear it's more of a side project compared to what they're trying to do with Arceus.
This looks almost a generation ahead compared to what we'll be getting. Heck, even if they just borrowed this grass it'd make D/P look that much better.
I mean maybe this is their way of investment. Nintendo outsource a lot instead of buying companies unless they have to.
Yeah, with modern QoL features, online, and HM replacement too, of course. I just think if they're going to half ass the graphics of the remake, might as well just use the original graphics which can still hold up as nice spritework with some tweaks to the 3D parts
As has been stated before, this doesn't involve Nintendo. TPC is responsible for who develops Pokemon games (aside from whatever games Gamefreak chooses to)
Hypotheticals with zero evidence of being true aren't good way to argue. This thread likely wouldn't exist if the games looked anything remotely in the realm of LA
What I wanted with the Diamond/Pearl remakes, they are giving me with Legends so I'm fine with it.
The art style will let them more closely match the DS game anyway and pull off some of the neat effects. I just hope it's based off of Platinum instead of the original two.
The art style will let them more closely match the DS game anyway and pull off some of the neat effects. I just hope it's based off of Platinum instead of the original two.
What I'm using for my basis is people having complaints about why do the characters look chibi. That certainly does have relevance. Regardless of how the other parts of the game look, the main focus has been the character models.
This seems like a super cheap outsourced thing as Game Freak focused on the main game.
Feels weird they didn't go for a bigger dev team to make this game though.
Feels weird they didn't go for a bigger dev team to make this game though.
Best part is, that shader can't (or shouldn't be) expensive to run in-engine, yet it adds so much depth that the current version's missing. If the models are going to stand out even when flat, you might as well stylize them to better fit the concept.
Anyway, while I don't hate how the remakes currently look, it's very uninspiring compared to the thorough plasticine diorama look of something like Link's Awakening, or the lower tech but more consistently reimagined style from ORAS. My fear is that this will be faithful less to Platinum and moreso to D/P, which is more a problem for this generation than was the case for R/S vs. Emerald. I might as well just play my dumped copy on an emulator with up-rezzed visuals and a QoL ROM hack rather than pay for what's clearly a B-tier upgrade.
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But the chibi art style is not the same as the original game's sprite work. That's the issue with them. The characters and backgrounds not only look super flat and clash with one another, the proportions of the character models are different than the sprites the series is known for and the faces look different as well
They knew it'd be a guaranteed 10+ million seller so why bother?
How is it inspiring?? What would you even describe the style they're going for aside from "Unity asset store mobile game"?
I mean, Pokemon Legends Arceus is giving that open world Sinnoh experience. Might be worth checking out if nothing else. You could end up enjoying it.
I was responding to someone saying why hasn't TPCI investing in extra people, I was saying their way of doing that was outsourcing like Nintendo
One still is from the ORAS ending cinematic sequence, the other is a direct still from BDSP mid overworld.
A more accurate comparison shot:
One thing I don't like at all is the new games grass and trees. They look way more obviously tiled. Like, you really gotta nail that stuff and this hasn't.
Maybe you are right. I still don't know what that game is, though. Is it a spin-off?
But there are plenty of people in this very thread who are taking issue with the way chibi has been implemented here, not that the fact that it is chibi. So making blanket statements about how the reason people don't like this because of the same reason they don't like LA is false.
Game looks to me like those Citra mods on the 3DS games where all the outlines got removed. Not saying it looks like a 3ds game, but it looks really flat especially during battles.
It's insane how much the outline helps lol.
I'm not sure if Spin-off is the right word, though it's not Gen 9. It's set in Sinnoh's past, and seems to be an open world game ala the Wild Area, but more fully open. You're able to catch Pokemon outside of battles, which is interesting. You're establishing the first ever Sinnoh Dex, I'm rather intrigued with what all kind of story will be involved. Maybe new towns will get established during the game.
I do wonder how explorable the world is.
Here's the trailer if you're curious (it's more than a year out, so expect the game to get more polished and such as time goes on):
I'd be more than okay with this, especially over how D&P are being done.
Some people will argue that from an artistic stand point the remake looks worse than the original. I mean the original pixel art has more charm and personality, it just feels like a lot more care was put into it (technically it doesn't hold up ofc but the DS is just too limited).
People who don't own a DS, don't want to use a emulator or just want the convenience will buy it of course but I don't think it is gonna to attract a lot of new players. For a new player (especially a kid) ORAS looked like a sequel to Pokemon XY, that game does not convey the same feeling.
People who don't own a DS, don't want to use a emulator or just want the convenience will buy it of course but I don't think it is gonna to attract a lot of new players. For a new player (especially a kid) ORAS looked like a sequel to Pokemon XY, that game does not convey the same feeling.