Why isn't there more hype in here about the Quest 2? (Comes out in 5 days?!)

MikeProtagonist · Oct 8, 2020

Lord Fanny said:
You know, since I am here, I will ask this. Can you use the Quest, either this new one or the old one, and download just like apps of VR places? Like could you get on an exercise bike and put this on and make it feel like you're biking through a forest or through the streets of Korea or something like that? Kind of a random thought, but just happened to think of that.

There are some "walking simulators", but nothing really like that I think. You could connect (wirelessly) to a PC and run Google Earth which will place you in any location on earth, but it won't track physical movement or "cycling". Google Earth is goddamn awesome though. I visited the area to scout around for my sister's new apartment, to see how the area looked. Obviously it's very chunky when flying around with low-poly buildings and trees, and on the ground you're literally standing in a Streetview surrounding. But the feeling of presence is ridiculous.

For me, I didn't get the Quest until this summer so I'm not going to upgrade. They should have called this Oculus Quest Slim or something, because that's what it is. A revision that is cheaper to produce.

I'm still excited for VR in general but I look forward to Sony or Valve putting out a standalone headset. It IS revolutionary to be untethered, but it's also sometimes super janky.

Combichristoffersen · Oct 8, 2020

HairyFist87 said:
For some reason? They are privacy violating data leeches. What's to love?

Does Era hate Google, Microsoft and Apple with the same passion for for leeching data off their users?

artsi · Oct 8, 2020

Dremorak said:
I'm considering selling my HTC Vive and buying a Quest 2
The Vive is great, but anytime I want to play it takes about 20 mins to set it up, on top of needing to have thought ahead and charged the controllers.
Anytime I think about playing it after work, I end up just playing normal games because I can just sit down and go.
The idea of being able to just put the thing on and play makes me think I would use it a lot more.
Also listening to Jeff on the Bombcast say that he's been using remote desktop to play his PC games using the Quest 2 with no issue is a huge plus as well.

I had a Vive when it was released in 2016. It was amazing experience, but I sold it because I felt it wasn't there quite yet. Lighthouse system was clunky to setup, resolution / SDE was bad, software wasn't that good and it was uncomfortable.

I promised that I'll buy another VR headset when something "good enough" comes around.

Quest 2 was the "good enough" moment for me.
Affordable, wireless, nice resolution, works both standalone and with PCVR.

Combichristoffersen said:
Does Era hate Google, Microsoft and Apple with the same passion for for leeching data off their users?

Yeah I mean a lot of people happily use their Google account with their Android phones, it's essentially the same thing and you can be sure that Google tracks everything they can. They're an ad company just like Facebook.

"Do you want a Google surveillance camera + GPS + microphone in your pocket everywhere you go?"

You can come up with all these same horror scenarios as with Oculus + Facebook.

CheeseWraith · Oct 8, 2020

I'm not going to support walled garden VR devices, especially from a company that is going to use all my data for its own agenda.

Furthermore, I would loathe ads of any kind in VR and I'm pretty sure that is one thing that Facebook is going to go for.

I have to put up with google because android is the only real alternative to Apple and their unreasonably priced phones. But I'm not happy about it.

xii_7 · Oct 8, 2020

Facebook

chandlerbing55 · Oct 8, 2020

the quest1 was really cool for watching tv and movies but there was a slight screendoor effect. the quest2 is 1.5x the resolution but because its LCD full RGB stripe instead of OLED pentile its actually 2x the subpixels making the screendoor effect much lesser. this could be the ultimate media device low key

Combichristoffersen · Oct 8, 2020

artsip said:
Yeah I mean a lot of people happily use their Google account with their Android phones, it's essentially the same thing and you can be sure that Google tracks everything they can. They're an ad company just like Facebook.

"Do you want a Google surveillance camera + GPS + microphone in your pocket everywhere you go?"

You can come up with all these same horror scenarios as with Oculus + Facebook.

Google, by now, probably has way more data on me than Facebook has and might ever have.

PaulLFC · Oct 8, 2020

Firstly, Facebook. There's zero reason the device couldn't run without Facebook, the Quest 1 managed it fine.

Secondly, some of the cost cutting measures to get to the $299 price seem to have gone too far (e.g. only having set IPD measurements).

TaterTots · Oct 8, 2020

I don't really care if Facebook is integrated or not. The reason for me, is it isn't a big enough upgrade for me to move on from the O+.

Exit Music · Oct 8, 2020

Combichristoffersen said:
Google, by now, probably has way more data on me than Facebook has and might ever have.

It's not just the data. Around the world Facebook has been used as a platform to incite a lot of violence against people because of misinformation. Some governments have used it to control the flow of information to their citizens, etc.

Combichristoffersen · Oct 8, 2020

Exit Music said:
It's not just the data. Around the world Facebook has been used as a platform to incite a lot of violence against people because of misinformation. Some governments have used it to control the flow of information to their citizens, etc.

That is fair. But that's down to abuse by governments and organizations, not Facebook as a corporation. But they should definitely be better at banning and weeding out profiles, pages and groups posting conspiracy nonsense, deliberate misinformation, extremist material etc.

Kschreck · Oct 8, 2020

I won't support Facebook. If it was a different company, I would already have one preordered.

Exit Music · Oct 8, 2020

Combichristoffersen said:
That is fair. But that's down to abuse by governments and organizations, not Facebook as a corporation. But they should definitely be better at banning and weeding out profiles, pages and groups posting conspiracy nonsense, deliberate misinformation, extremist material etc.

For what it's worth I don't use Facebook, but I'm also not vehemently anti-Facebook. People were shitty a long time before Facebook. I agree Facebook could do better at controlling the information on their platform. I was just explaining why I think so many people here dislike Facebook so much.

Raonak · Oct 8, 2020

I have a PSVR and enjoy it quite a bit (some of the best experiences of this generation are in VR imo)

but I don't want to buy into another VR ecosystem just to get better VR (especially the facebook ecosystem)

Im insanely hyped for the eventual PSVR2 tho.

TheBaldEmperor · Oct 8, 2020

I'm already considering selling my Quest because of Facebook. I haven't used it in a while.

Th3BranMan · Oct 8, 2020

Aside from facebook,

I already have a PSVR, and my potential future PS5 purchase is completely dependent upon how PSVR 2 shapes up to be. I can only assume it will blow Quest 2 out of the water.

Candescence · Oct 8, 2020

My personal deal-breakers were the Facebook integration and the lack of any improvements in controller tracking. (In fact, if that Ars Technica review is accurate, the tracking quality has regressed.) I'm not getting into entirely wireless headsets until they can provide tracking quality comparable to Valve's hardware.

artsi · Oct 8, 2020

Candescence said:
My personal deal-breakers were the Facebook integration and the lack of any improvements in controller tracking. (In fact, if that Ars Technica review is accurate, the tracking quality has regressed.) I'm not getting into entirely wireless headsets until they can provide tracking quality comparable to Valve's hardware.

They apparently got a lemon because no one else has reported the same, and the device is in many YouTuber's hands already.

Tracking should be at least as good as Quest 1.

Hawk269 · Oct 8, 2020

JaggiBaggi said:
"Why aren't you guys excited about <product>? Please don't talk about the actual reasons."

Sorry for wanting a thread dedicated to Oculus 2 where not every other reply is "fuck Facebook" when wanting to talk about Oculus games and/or the hardware. I am sure you think people saying "fuck facebook" every other post is very constructive to conversations about the device and the games.

Imagine if the PS5 OT thread hade every other post is "fuck Sony" or "fuck the PS5" I am sure most agree that it would not be a very good OT. That is all that I am wanting, is a OT where people can talk about the device and the games without every other post not being a "fuck facebook" which add's nothing to the conversation. Again, I am talking about a OT for the Oculus 2...not this thread since the OP was asking a specific question.

David Addison · Oct 8, 2020

Always a promising sign when the prerelease hype revolves around winners like is "well I've never heard anything bad about Facebook" and "this forum sucks".

Combichristoffersen said:
Does Era hate Google, Microsoft and Apple with the same passion for for leeching data off their users?

That's a really weird question from somebody who was all "oh, ohhh, Facebook is a right-wing dystopian hellspawn, how could I have been so ignorant?" a few hours ago.

Combichristoffersen · Oct 8, 2020

David Addison said:
That's a really weird question from somebody who was all "oh, ohhh, Facebook is a right-wing dystopian hellspawn, how could I have been so ignorant?" a few hours ago.

What, asking if Era hates those companies for leeching data like people hate Facebook for doing?

Obviously Google, Apple and MS aren't running social media platforms (go away Google+, nobody likes you) so they don't provide a platform for right-wing posters like Facebook does. But that wasn't what I was asking anyway.

Tahnit · Oct 8, 2020

Fuck facebook.

But also its a 300 dollar high end vr headset you can hook up to your pc with a 20 dollar cable. I got one I am picking up on tuesday. This will be my first high end vr headset. I have a psvr but its not compatible with pc.

MrCheezball · Oct 8, 2020

I am pretty hyped. I went from a Samsung Gear, to a CV1, and I believe the wireless freedom this offers between virtual desktop or from its internal GPU that appear comparable to an XBOX360 on almost 2k per eye will be VRs real moment. Facebook integration sucks for sure, but the package at this price is unbelievable.

doemaaan · Oct 8, 2020

I WANT to buy this, but every time I consider it, I cringe in disgust at the required FB account. At the possibility of your account becoming banned if it was a burn account (which was my original plan). I'm making a stand for myself by not purchasing, but I will be following the user reviews out of pure curiosity. I really do hope at some point they drop the FB requirement.

Damaniel · Oct 8, 2020

Like many here, I refuse to use a product that requires Facebook.

Karish · Oct 8, 2020

I'm quite excited for it and plan to use it for PCVR as well :)

ryseing · Oct 8, 2020

Also worth noting that on this board in particular many folks have their extra income set aside for the launch consoles and associated accessories, so a Quest revamp really isn't high on their list of monetary priorities. I know you addressed that in the first line of your OP, but folks around here love their console launches and I don't blame them. It can be a fun experience.

As someone who is sitting out next gen for a bit but would like a new toy this fall, the hardware just isn't quite there yet for me personally. If I could play the new Medal of Honor on the headset without having to tether to a gaming PC I don't have, I would certainly consider it. I've played most of the heavy hitters via PSVR so the library as it stands isn't super appealing.

The Facebook stuff is whatever. I think they're a scummy company but no ethical consumption under capitalism and all that. Not dismissing the concerns and totally get if they cross a line for you personally though.

Karish · Oct 8, 2020

Jhey Cyphre said:
In a world were Facebook wasn't involved I would have been interested if Virtual Desktop performance was drastically improved.

It is and they probably lose money on it so you could buy it and never use their store and maybe you're hurting them :p

JaggiBaggi · Oct 8, 2020

Hawk269 said:
Sorry for wanting a thread dedicated to Oculus 2 where not every other reply is "fuck Facebook" when wanting to talk about Oculus games and/or the hardware. I am sure you think people saying "fuck facebook" every other post is very constructive to conversations about the device and the games.

Imagine if the PS5 OT thread hade every other post is "fuck Sony" or "fuck the PS5" I am sure most agree that it would not be a very good OT. That is all that I am wanting, is a OT where people can talk about the device and the games without every other post not being a "fuck facebook" which add's nothing to the conversation. Again, I am talking about a OT for the Oculus 2...not this thread since the OP was asking a specific question.

Yeah, if you're going to reduce the very serious concerns about what Facebook is doing with the Oculus ecosystem to "lol people just want to say fuck facebook", of course they aren't going to sound constructive. But that's a bit of a weird fallacy, and dismissing serious problems people have with the whole thing.

It's fine if they don't affect you, or you don't feel they do, but at least please don't be this reductive.

Karish said:
It is and they probably lose money on it so you could buy it and never use their store and maybe you're hurting them :p

...this logic is absolute bullshit. Hurt a company by buying their product. Amazing.

Are you aware Facebook doesn't do the merged accounts just out of fun, but that they're actually going to mine information out of what you do, watch, play or who you talk to through the Quest 2? And that they are also going to profit from that? Like, it's fine if you don't feel like it affects you, but this whole "lol buy it and never use their store and you'll hurt them" is... a fairly childish view on the whole thing.

If they can sell it as a loss (Which I doubt they will outside of the US, by the way), it's because just getting it into people's hands is already something they can profit off.

JuniperAndSage · Oct 8, 2020

VR is bad. Most of us just aren't interested.

Lant_War · Oct 8, 2020

JuniperAndSage said:
VR is bad. Most of us just aren't interested.

Saying an entire medium is bad is a bold claim, props for that.

Carbon · Oct 8, 2020

Facebook + iterative product.

I'm sure it will be a fine headset. But I'm not sure it's doing anything too revolutionary to warrant a big hype cycle.
It's a better Quest. And I'm sure it will sell out because of that fact alone.

AppleBlade · Oct 8, 2020

JuniperAndSage said:
VR is bad. Most of us just aren't interested.

What VR games have you played because I just don't get that. I'm a teacher at a Technology high school and we have an original HTC Vive and I love VR. I find every available minute to get on there. Even a generic zombie game like Arizona Sunshine which would be a 5/10 if it was out on console is like an 8 out of 10 in VR because of the immersion. Playing Beat Saber and Super Hot in VR feels so fresh and innovative compared to most console experiences for me.

Last_colossi · Oct 8, 2020

Damaniel said:
Like many here, I refuse to use a product that requires Facebook.

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skeptem · Oct 8, 2020

I have one pre-ordered. Was debating it for a while but a Target deal made me jump in at the lowest price. That along with already having an Oculus account from when I borrowed an og Rift about a year ago, made me decide to jump in.

I'm pretty excited but all the Facebook stuff is definitely a damper.

DrROBschiz · Oct 8, 2020

Because Facebook

Rosol · Oct 8, 2020

There really isn't much of a software line up- so it's just an upgraded quest. I'm getting one, but can't say I'm really that thrilled yet; I just don't think these iphone style iterative updates work in gaming - you need a new software lineup to go along it at launch. What they do have for software isn't really anything I haven't played before or piques interest.

Deleted member 2620 · Oct 8, 2020

JuniperAndSage said:
VR is bad. Most of us just aren't interested.

solidly the worst take one could answer the question with

Deleted member 18847 · Oct 8, 2020

Forced Facebook.
Have a Quest 1.
Quest 2 not a generational leap; crisper but geometry, lighting, textures much the same.

Alric · Oct 8, 2020

I know it'll be off topic but I honestly thought this was about a sequel to "The Quest" by redshift. I bout a PDA before the PSP existed just to play this game.

TheGift · Oct 8, 2020

I'm just bitter because I bought the original quest like 3 months ago and there's no trade in option.

Edward · Oct 8, 2020

I'm beyond excited. I sold my Rift S and Quest and bought this and pre-ordered the reverb 2 as my main VR headsets.

Facebook i understand why some people don't want it but i have no issue giving every other gaming platform my information i certainly don't care about FB knowing what games i like playing.

bounchfx · Oct 8, 2020

Tagg said:
Because Facebook and they cheaped out on some of the components to get the price as low as it is.

yep, this. gonna stick with my mk1 in the meantime... but really, facebook. no thanks. don't like where they are going with any of it

bombermouse · Oct 8, 2020

OP buried the lede by shitting on bugsnax

Ambient said:
Honestly the deeper Facebook integration really soured me on getting one... I know I know a lot of companies take my info but I have never had a Facebook account and kind of don't want to start now.

I have PlayStation VR and I'm happy with that for now.

This

Arthands · Oct 8, 2020

I've got to admit. I wasn't planning to upgrade from Quest to Quest 2, but the recent string of developers coming out with announcement of enhancement patches are actually getting me excited.

Hound · Oct 8, 2020

I'd be so down for this if I hadn't bought a Quest 1 earlier this year. For now I'm content with how Quest 1 is performing with wireless PC VR through virtual desktop.

Alek · Oct 8, 2020

I think the devices we've had over the last 5 years have already set the stage for consumer expectations from VR devices. In that sense, you're never going to see more or less excitement unless we see a huge innovation within this space. The market for VR has somewhat stagnated, and will only be spurred to grow drastically with significant subversion of those expectations. Drastically smaller form factors would be an example.

That's not to say that I believe that the VR market has ceased to grow, but growth within a proportionally small market (compared to say, consoles or handhelds) is in itself, quite small.

As it stands, the lay consumer will dismiss the new Oculus, for the same reason they decided not to purchase the first iteration, or an Oculus Go for their phone. The devices are too expensive, they don't like the bulky headsets and for now at least, the lack of wires comes at the cost of visual fidelity and performance.

I don't think the average consumer gives a damn about the Facebook integration. They've already demonstrated they're willing to, time and time again, sacrifice their data and privacy for the sake of convenience and entertainment. Signing into Facebook is little different to signing into XBOX Live, it's just another service with a 100 page user agreement that no reads.

Sax · Oct 8, 2020

I bought a Quest 1 a year ago and love it, it serves my needs just fine, don't feel any need to upgrade to this one. Can always do PCVR for more demanding titles that aren't Quest native. I've played both Alyx and Squadrons through Virtual Desktop with no issue, it's been great. Quest 3? Yeah maybe.

J_ToSaveTheDay · Oct 8, 2020

Quest is great technology, like the wireless, independent, inside-out-tracking setup is a fantastic handling of VR. Being flexible and being able to hook up to a PC for more power is also great.

However, Facebook's involvement and policies mean that I will never own one.

Kappakerby · Oct 8, 2020

Damn. I thought you were talking about Quest 64 part 2. I'd be super hyped for that.

I'm just not sure about VR. I haven't seen anything that is a killer app that makes me want to drop hundreds of dollars on a headset.

Why isn't there more hype in here about the Quest 2? (Comes out in 5 days?!)

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