They shrunk the universe, detracted from if really without managing to break new ground or establish anything new or meaningful that had payoff. In my opinion at least. Basically they kind of just spat on what came before it for no real good reason. Broke many of the universes rules established again for weak plot motivations etc. All while copying the motifs and even some almost exact plotpoints from previous film.I'm a casual Star Wars watcher and have seen the recent 2 films and didn't mind them honestly but I see so much hate and vitrol towards them. I was curious, just what is so wrong with these movies that so many people despise them?
I heard this exact thing from my dad when TFA came out, it made me sad.Having a woman be the main character is a legitimate issue with -some- people, Ive had to listen, in real life, complaints that Rey shouldn't be powerful because a woman cant beat up a man irl.
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Don't generalize, I personally know a lot of people (including myself, actually) who like Rogue One for the rest of the movie and not because it has 'Vader fucking shit up at the end'. In fact, I though the Vader stuff was the most contrived fan service ever and that the movie could've easily done without it. It was the rest of the movie where it's strength lay IMO.
Having a woman be the main character is a legitimate issue with -some- people, Ive had to listen, in real life, complaints that Rey shouldn't be powerful because a woman cant beat up a man irl.
They aren't though? Almost everyone I know either enjoys them and is excited for each new one or is just indifferent.
The only people I know who have strong negative opinions about them are a couple of guys who, guess what, spend a lot of time on the internet. And their arguments as for why are so obviously regurgitated from YouTube/Reddit.
It was more prevalent when TFA came out, but I've definitely seen it on the old forum and especially on YouTube. I'm sure it's been posted here too at some point.I don't know why this statement is repeated so many times even though it is clearly untrue. I've never seen any criticism posted on this forum that ever complained about Rey or her being too powerful or whatever. If I am wrong, can you find me an example?
I don't know why this statement is repeated so many times even though it is clearly untrue. I've never seen any criticism posted on this forum that ever complained about Rey or her being too powerful or whatever. If I am wrong, can you find me an example?
The responses will just be "yeah well the critics are just paid shills that like anything disney puts out."If TROS does wel, the ST is going to be one of the most critically acclaimed and financial successful trilogies ever made.
When the time comes, I hope somebody will make that thread on ERA.
The salt will be AMAZING.
-Because 7 is basically a remake of a 40 year old movie, and 8 is such an incoherent mess of a movie that people gave up hope on 9.I'm a casual Star Wars watcher and have seen the recent 2 films and didn't mind them honestly but I see so much hate and vitrol towards them. I was curious, just what is so wrong with these movies that so many people despise them?
Terrible characters and writing, a great cast and opportunity wasted.
The responses will just be "yeah well the critics are just paid shills that like anything disney puts out."
-Because 7 is basically a remake of a 40 year old movie, and 8 is such an incoherent mess of a movie that people gave up hope on 9.
-The fact Disney wasted so much potential with this franchise
The prequels are a much, much better trilogy.
The only main issue I have with the new trilogy is that everything just feels pointless, TLJ threw out most stuff set up in TFA, and ROS seems to be doing the same with TLJ. So it just feels like it's being made up and slapped together with no real goal, for all the hate the prequels got they at least had a clear target in mind and were constantly going towards it.
There is no single monolithic thing that makes Star Wars the IP, all 3 original movies were different from each other. I dont wanna see a Godfather Part 4 with Michael Corleone as Don Vito and basically restarting Part 1. 7 is a safe and boring remake of 4 in all but name, with new names etc. It's basically another victim of Hollywood remaking old classics, but in this case it was disguised as a new entry, and nerds were okay with it because "well they need to acclimate a new generation to SW so it's ok, 8 will be much better and grand!". And then 8 comes out and it's such a mess, to say the prequels are better is an understatement. 8 is legit one of the worst scifi movies I've ever seen.The prequels are shit. This trilogy is a 7/10 type of thing, not the most spectacular thing ever, but at least its competent and doesn't feel like it was a cartoon written for little kiddies.
TFA isn't a "remake" either, it follows some story beats of ANH, but of other Star Wars films too. It's Star Wars, do you want to see a Rocky movie about figure skating? A Godfather film about a doctor? An Avengers film that isn't about trying to defeat some super villain?
There is no single monolithic thing that makes Star Wars the IP, all 3 original movies were different from each other. I dont wanna see a Godfather Part 4 with Michael Corleone as Don Vito and basically restarting Part 1. 7 is a safe and boring remake of 4 in all but name, with new names etc. It's basically another victim of Hollywood remaking old classics, but in this case it was disguised as a new entry, and nerds were okay with it because "well they need to acclimate a new generation to SW so it's ok, 8 will be much better and grand!". And then 8 comes out and it's such a mess, to say the prequels are better is an understatement. 8 is legit one of the worst scifi movies I've ever seen.
Was Han that much of a badass in TFA ? He shot some guns but ehMost people loved TFA. I think honestly the biggest flaw of Last Jedi was killing off Like without us seeing him being a bad ass for an entire movie like we got for Han
I think wanting Luke to be a badass during the ST is understandable but..Most people loved TFA. I think honestly the biggest flaw of Last Jedi was killing off Like without us seeing him being a bad ass for an entire movie like we got for Han
I didn't say it did it well, but the goal was there, to show the transition of a young Anakin to Darth Vader, and the downfall of the Jedi. The sequel trilogy so far feels like a big ehh in terms of direction, and that's pretty sad really.Yeah having fart jokes and Jar Jar step into shit and the lamest romance in modern cinema history sure set up to the clear target of Anakin's dramatic transition to the dark side ... which really got shoved into like 5 minutes of screen time (lol).
Sucking on an alien tit was a wonderful arc? Er, ok...I think wanting Luke to be a badass during the ST is understandable but..
Flawed characters are so much more interesting to me. Luke had a wonderful arc in TLJ.
This is why I can't take most TLJ criticism seriously.