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Why is the 100-floor dungeon a thing that JRPGs like to do?
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Sadly those two dragon books are some of the least popular for good reason. Mad Mage was a lot of fun for me though. Just a big dungeon romp. Sometimes you just want to kill stuff and better yet when a DM really likes to add in puzzles or traps. I love finding ways to get past stuff besides killing.
Puzzles are fun. Probably Mad Mage would be cool because the focus is the dungeon? And adding puzzles is a nice touch.
But getting back to the OP question...is D&D the source? Or is it a game? Who had the first idea to put a big dungeon in a game? And what game is that? Now I am curious......
Source I would say. Gygax would make some insane dungeons. I'm sure if people look, they'll find D&D influence in basically any RPG.
But anyway, for me, the better mega dungeons come from first person dungeon crawlers. I'm still hoping for an Etrian Odyssey on Switch.
Tartarus was basically basically the same concept of dungeons that Persona 4 used, only as one megatower instead of being cut into distinct dungeons with defined themes.
yeah, that dungeon (Final dungeon in Shin Megami 4: Apocalypse for those who don't know) was god damn insaneWithin reason...
I think it's done best in FFXII: TZA since it's a totally optional mode that's not even part of the story mode.
Because it's a fairly good optional challenge?
Tests of endurance and resource management are perfectly fine. Since these are optional they can be particularly grueling.
Tests of endurance and resource management are perfectly fine. Since these are optional they can be particularly grueling.
I love them cause they're usually challenges and good loot can often be had. First experienced it way back in a Lufia game on SNES.
It's a cheap way to pad the game. I hate how the reward is always not worth it.
The hardest and longest I remember trying to do was attempting to single run floor 101-200 FFXIV Palace Of The Dead with some random (I'm the random, the 3 other party member are friends). Do mind you can't die or else you'll have to restart from floor 101. Took us like 10 hours or something and due to time difference it started at 12 am in my region ended at 9 am. I remember nodding off multiple times on the keyboard. Unfortunately we all died at floor 198 because we ran out of healing and revive.
The hardest and longest I remember trying to do was attempting to single run floor 101-200 FFXIV Palace Of The Dead with some random (I'm the random, the 3 other party member are friends). Do mind you can't die or else you'll have to restart from floor 101. Took us like 10 hours or something and due to time difference it started at 12 am in my region ended at 9 am. I remember nodding off multiple times on the keyboard. Unfortunately we all died at floor 198 because we ran out of healing and revive.
All of these kinds of dungeons are just continuations of the long-lasting legacy of Rogue and the early roguelikes, which were incredibly influential on a great many RPGs, from Diablo to Persona.
Also, sometimes it is fun to just have a massive gauntlet of trials and enemies to challenge yourself with, without having to worry about stories or filler.
Also, sometimes it is fun to just have a massive gauntlet of trials and enemies to challenge yourself with, without having to worry about stories or filler.
This is pretty much the definition of the roguelike, though. Nethack (the main remake/derivative of the original Rogue) is a crawl through 50 floors of randomized dungeon. Angband, another major example of the genre, is a descent through 100 procedurally generated floors. These are some of the major foundational games of the entire computer RPG genre, and the genre of roguelikes and dungeon crawlers is still a huge and popular one. It isn't surprising to see this style of dungeon appear in other related kinds of RPG.
thanks my fellow compadre.
Ps. I knew about secret dungeons, i just thought there was a 100 floor dungeon that i didn't knew about since it was mentioned here lol
Came in here to say this.
Lufia 2 does it really really well.
Never managed to beat it tho...
No self respecting Demon King is going to settle for anything less.
The other Demon Kings would make fun of him, or her.
The other Demon Kings would make fun of him, or her.
Hahaha, I really enjoyed Strange Journey, but Eridanus defeated me!! All those teleporters...That could be fun. I LOVE Etrian Odyssey and Strange Journey so damn much.
I thought the New Game+ Chrysler Building dungeon in Parasite Eve was a really well executed take on this concept.
It's one of the reasons I don't bother with most JRPGs. Half a million identical floors or dungeons to grind out because they have like 10 hours worth of game that has to be plastered over 150. I value my time more than that.
I beat the Pit of 100 Trials from Paper Mario: TTYD on my first try, and I'm pretty damn proud of that. I don't know if I'd do it again, though. lol
The two Pits of 100 Trials in Super Paper Mario were pretty meh, but that's a fault of the game itself, really.
A few Zelda games had it too. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, right? I don't remember if they were 100 floors, but they had bonus dungeons of that kind that you could challenge.
Can't say I'm a huge fan, but it feels good when you complete them, that's for sure.
The two Pits of 100 Trials in Super Paper Mario were pretty meh, but that's a fault of the game itself, really.
A few Zelda games had it too. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, right? I don't remember if they were 100 floors, but they had bonus dungeons of that kind that you could challenge.
Can't say I'm a huge fan, but it feels good when you complete them, that's for sure.
Within reason...
Oh wow.
I'd love to check something like this out.
Any recommendations?
Laziness is what it is called. Basically, content that takes zero effort to make. The floors are usually copy and paste, along with the enemies.
FF X-2 100 floor dungeon had to be completed twice for completing the monsters catalog. Well, it was fun that kind of dungeon. The 100 floor or 100 bosses in Final Fantasy XII Zodiac Age was not very interesting.
Can an entire game be considered as a floor?
In Dark Souls 3, I once joined a host game on PC (via password) and the Boss killed me in one shot. I thought it was normal (because I was SL1) because lag may have contributed to me getting killed, because I should have survived at least a single hit.
I messaged the host and the person says "it was NG+47".
So..
In Dark Souls 3, I once joined a host game on PC (via password) and the Boss killed me in one shot. I thought it was normal (because I was SL1) because lag may have contributed to me getting killed, because I should have survived at least a single hit.
I messaged the host and the person says "it was NG+47".
So..
Reminds me of berserk and the band of the hawk musou. Boss on "floor" 50 then 100 or something. Copy pasta assets.
The endless path, in your home base.
Od Nua is only 15 floors though.
Fully agreed! They even included special enemies and items that were not included in the main game. Lufia started my love for permadeth and roguelikes in general.