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Why is Onslaught from Marvel hated?
- Thread starter DragonSJG
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No those are people who have the same powers, either due to being from alternate universes or in Silk's case also being bitten by the radioactive spider.
Spider-Man has a bunch of clones including Ben Reilly, Kaine, Jack, and of course, Spidercide.
You know how demonic Doppelganger was? He shot barbwire instead of webbingLet's not forget Spider-Man's best clone, either!
Nothing like a magic demon clone!
No those are people who have the same powers, either due to being from alternate universes or in Silk's case also being bitten by the radioactive spider.
Spider-Man has a bunch of clones including Ben Reilly, Kaine, Jack, and of course, Spidercide.
Thank you both, gives new meaning to this for me.Those aren't clones.
Those are clones.
Also holy crap at demon spider and now I think Slayven is a Spider Clone. 🤔 🤨
Because Onslaught was hyped as the destruction of the X-Men and the reason for Bishop's arrival looking for a traitor but ended up being Xavier Gone Wild, yet they pulled the backpedal on that and just made it like it was a mix of his and Magneto's psyche
To finish off, they threw a gutpunch: Onslaught led into Heroes Reborn, one of the worst comic series ever
To finish off, they threw a gutpunch: Onslaught led into Heroes Reborn, one of the worst comic series ever
Because all you had to do was block and then beam his face. He also didn't take hit stun and couldn't be launched, so you were punished for trying any other play style.
Yeah, but it lead to Thunderbolts and the Heroes Return soft relaunch with Busiek Avengers and Waid Captain America.
It's true, and what came next was a well crafted Hail Mary. The hiccup that was Heroes Reborn almost bankrupted the entire company
The Thunderbolts #1 reveal still being a surprise was one of the best things Marvel ever pulled off. And they came so close to spoiling it on multiple occasions.
That's actually a common misconception, or at least so I've been told. The books were abject garbage but they actually sold remarkably well and Marvel's bankruptcy was due to trying to buy its own comics distributor.
The Heroes Reborn status quo actually has some prototypes for ideas that were found in Ultimate Marvel, and then the MCU.
Thunderbolts #1 is definitely the kind of plot twist we would never see again in this day and age.
It was the talk of the town back at the time, and true or not, it fed into the criticism of the fallout of the Onslaught Saga, and of the character itself.
I didn't hate Onslaught, but I did like how he was set up in Fatal Attractions. And those hologram covers!
And it's not the kind of plot twist they could do in the MCU either.
J. Jonah Jameson telling Bastion to fuck off is one of Jonah's best moments ever. And it didn't even happen in a Spider-Man comic.
Better or worse than the 90s Carnage thing where they were all over the place with the off shoots
You're god damn right.
Panels of Interest
J. Jonah Jameson vs. Bastion. [from Uncanny X-Men (1963) #346]
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The really crazy part is that they spent months of promotion selling them as the next Avengers, with interviews with Busiek and Bagley selling them as superheroes insanely hard.
Now, we'd get an article in USA Today a week before the issue landed revealing it.
You're thinking of clones in a Smash Bros sense, they are talking clones in a literal sense.
They almost spoiled it in the solicit of a Hulk comic before the launch of Thunderbolts #1.
I remember liking the Onslaught story but it was also about the time that I fell off comic books. I just didn't have the time and money to invest in them along with video games and school.
I loved it, it was a tie-in fiesta, so many different things going on at the same time in the Marvel Universe,
Magneto had a young clone going around, Wolverine had the mind of a literal wolverine, there were so many X-Titles
it was a great time to be an X-Men fan
The original Clone Saga is a pretty simple story. It's not the problem. The problem came later.
I'm just going to get through this as quickly as possible.
After Norman Osborn was impaled on his own glider after killing Gwen Stacy, Peter was in a very bad place. Mary Jane had spent a lot of time trying to help Peter through his grief. And Peter began to realize he might have had feelings for MJ.
And then Gwen came back.
Except she wasn't the original Gwen. She was a clone created by Miles Warren, Peter and Gwen's professor. Warren was a supervillain who called himself The Jackal. And Jackal was obsessed with Gwen. After she died, he took it hard and went full-on mad scientist. He eventually cloned Peter. And Peter and his clone fought. And Peter won. And he left his clone somewhere else for dead.
Flash forward to the 1990s. Someone at Marvel suggests bringing the clone back. He used the name Ben Reilly ("Ben" for Uncle Ben, and "Reilly" being Aunt May's maiden name). Then someone had the "brilliant" idea of suggesting Peter was actually the clone, and Ben was the original Spider-Man.
And all hell broke loose. What was supposed to be a story that lasted for a few months went on for about two years. Jackal came back. And more clones came with him.
(Other things to remember about this era. Peter and MJ were married at this point, and MJ was pregnant. Marvel was looking for a way to undo both of these things and thought "Ben's the real Spider-Man" would get them what they wanted. To say the readers reacted negatively to these twists is putting it mildly.)
Avengers being all centrist and telling that to a Holocaust survivor of all people? Who thought that would be a good idea?
These are the same people who were totes cool with letting a rapist go off with his victim.
Appreciate the synopsis and I think I get the gist of the issues, I am speechless.
You mean with Mockingbird or Ms.Marvel?
Also is Onslaught better than the Batman who Laughs?
The worst is that they are going to do the same with Miles nowThose aren't clones.
Those are clones.
Yes, because Onslaught had his story and then dipped out for a decade. BML had his story and then took four years to disappear.
Carol. In her Ms. Marvel days.
With Mockingbird, it was that Clint was not cool with Bobbi leaving her rapist to die.
Despite all this, I actually kind of like The Jackal. Marvel really embraced the character as just the ultimate super villain troll. He really gets off on trolling Peter Parker. (Although since someone had the obvious idea of him finding out about Spider-Gwen, I wonder how long it will be until he trolls Peter again.)
Just a shitty villain created as part of a shitty comics event who served as the catalyst for a super shitty comics event (Heroes Reborn). They wasted a bunch of long burning running plotlines across multiple books(eg. the "X-traitor" story which served as Bishop's origin) for the sake of that Onslaught story and it was just terrible.
Personally I just hated that the (also shitty) mini-series where they brought him back ended with the killing off of Rikki Barnes (A character who, by that time, had actually been turned into a worthwhile addition to the Marvel Universe. I'll always stan for Young Allies). Though she got brought back a few months ago but even so... fuck Onslaught.
Personally I just hated that the (also shitty) mini-series where they brought him back ended with the killing off of Rikki Barnes (A character who, by that time, had actually been turned into a worthwhile addition to the Marvel Universe. I'll always stan for Young Allies). Though she got brought back a few months ago but even so... fuck Onslaught.
I enjoyed his characterization in MvC, from his voice lines and the music. He just really worked as a arcade fighter boss unit. As a comic character, yea most people didn't like the execution. I did enjoy his visual design though especially the boots.He looks cool, especially in MVC.
I can see that, it doesn't sound like a bad idea, it's just as far as I've heard it's certain authors/storyline that cause the issues.