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plow

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First off this is not an "E3 is dying" thread.

With E3 attendance falling this year, i asked myself why E3 is this big to begin with, compared to the Gamescom.

E3 had an attendance of 66,100 people, while the Gamescom surpassed 360.000 last year, even Paris Game Week topped 300.000 people. Is it the media coverage? I know the US is ( apart from China ) the biggest gaming market in the world. But the difference is not so huge that it warrants basically every huge announcement happening at E3.

Is it something historic? And do you see it changing? Gamescom and PGW are criminally underrated by basically every big Publisher.

Do you see the Next Gen consoles all being revealed at E3 again? Or will it change?
 

ishan

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Basically historic, don't see consoles in general revealed but its a E3 is where you show your biggest hits thing. PSX for example was big and they had big announcements but E3 has always been "where you make the spectacle"
 

Raide

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It's a chance to show off to a much wider audience, since it's more than just gamers and gaming sites etc that cover it.
 

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Everything before was leading up to the moment in which Microsoft Flight Simulator made its return. That's when history was made.
 

Akira86

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because CES went porn

gamescom and paris game week are good for europe but i won't expect them to take the place of E3 in the states.
 

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Well first of all, until recently and even then. E3 is a gathering of developers and game companies. Gamescom and those are conventions. Which is a very different beast. I get what people say about in the digital age we don't need a physical location like that necessarily (although when you consider it used to be for game companies and employees to rub shoulders and celebrate the excitement, trials and tribulations of their work.) But ignoring all that. It's about a centralized very visible show in gaming. It's the time when all eyes are on it, (for gamers at least). Otherwise you'd get fractured news bits like you always do.
 

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E3 is in a weird spot. It is in the biggest market for console games - but that market is so geographically spread out that it isnt a Gamescom/TGS situation where average folks can just go and bolster numbers. It is interesting though that even as publishers try to leave these shows behind, and a lot of media speaks about how unfun it is to work them, fans absolutely still enjoy them and more importantly pay attention to them. I think, ultimately, that the industry still needs a big show in the US - PAXes are not enough - but what that is going to look like in the future is questionable for sure.
 

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Because after CES didn't want those filthy games, they (the games industry) created their own big expo.
And up until a few years ago it remained the hot spot for things to show off, because just for a few days in
a year, the whole world was looking at video games. Not just Games Media, not just Tech media but all kinds of media
 

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I didn't really attend last year -- only a few hours -- a but I noticed a lot more merch exhibitors that you'd more likely see at a comic-con that a majority of the crowd was ignoring and noticeably fewer game booths. Swag this year was pretty lame overall as well.
 

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It is mostly for historic reasons, I guess. The E3 also has sweet spot time slot in June - just before the summer break and a good time to announce the games and prepare the market for the big holiday releases. Other than that I could imagine it is because of location: LA is a great spot to meet as it brings together lots of creative and cultural types (Keanu Reeves popping by). And it's close to the Bay area where a lot of game developers are and it's attractive for Japanese developers, too, as the travel time is not that long.
 
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E3 had an attendance of 66,100 people, while the Gamescom surpassed 360.000 last year, even Paris Game Week topped 300.000 people. Is it the media coverage? I know the US is ( apart from China ) the biggest gaming market in the world. But the difference is not so huge that it warrants basically every huge announcement happening at E3.
E3 was a largely private tradeshow until very very recently, while Paris Games Week and Gamescom had years and years to build up to what they are. plus E3 was created through the industry, and actively catered to the biggest names in video games and gave them platform and premium service. So they got the exhibitors, they got the media attention, they got the official backing of the US games lobbying industry, they're historically baked in as the place to be to show everything in the US.

There's also the fact of the matter is no matter how big Gamescom and PGW are, traditionally speaking they are rarely centered around giant media reveals, unless you're Sony recently.
 

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it's important because:

1. having gamers be excited and hyped for a week and focus on video games is a good thing, and it'll get them to see and notice games that they may just not notice if they were announce at other times via a random tweet
2. it's a chance for smaller games to share the same attention and spotlight that bigger publishers are able to give their big games. the indie/smaller games shown in nintendo or MS's microsoft or demoed at treehouse will never have as big of an audience
3. it's a chance for gaming media to preview a ton of games in one place, not really possible if every publisher wants to throw their own preview events.
 

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There are a few major reasons, but the main one is: E3 is the key info dump for the industry to it's consumers. It's place in the year is perfect too, after the financial year ends for companies, looking to boost hype and ready to show off this year's major products from these companies, or like Sony did in 2015, build up hype for the future of the PS4 through a series of promises that are yet to be met.

It's been established for 25 years, the idea that it isn't needed is short sighted tbh. The consumers who follow the industry don't need it maybe, but we follow it just the same, and we share it's content to coworkers/classmates/friends and family. We know to expect content here every year, we know that this is the time we will learn about important products.

If E3 didn't exist, Nintendo might be fine, because they have established Directs, and other platform holders can copy this approach but how many companies outside of these platform holders have the clout to bring in millions of viewers? Now they are depending on Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft to put them into their news briefings about these 3rd party products, E3 puts smaller companies on more equal footing with the platform holders because we come in millions to get content from E3.

Lastly, tradition is absolutely a part of it, not just how long it has lasted, but this industry runs on hype, and while hype can randomly show up around any announcement, E3 is something you can be hyped for like clock work, it keeps the industry moving in an exciting direction. Think about Sony the last few years, they showed the same games off for multiple years, but people were still hyped for these events to occur, without the basically mandatory demand of E3's info dump from Sony, the hype around Sony the last few years would never really exist. Sony of course had drawn out these announcements because next gen is around the corner and they can't talk about PS5 games this year, but if Sony doesn't come back to E3 next year, it could really hurt them. This E3, no one is really talking about Sony, except about them not being here, and while Square Enix is lifting Sony via FF7r this year, because of it's exclusiveness, it's not something Sony can continue to bank on. Next year they will have to show next gen's line up, and if they do it during E3, even in their Sony Direct format that they are copying from Nintendo, everyone will expect that in the second week of June next year.

TL;DR: Without E3, we would all be creating threads about predicting the next Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo Direct, and 3rd parties would be hoping that enough people would tune into their own news dumps, meanwhile the average game consumer would be completely lost, because we can't get hyped for every direct, as a fan of Nintendo, trust me on that.
 

ClivePwned

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E3 gets the most mainstream press (ie what your folks and non gamers read)
It's also very important to get retail buyers excited for a product. I haven't been to the show for a long time but a big chunk of the people there were retail buyers from chains. obviously that dynamic has changed but its still important.

Of course, we have other big shows throughout the year so thats why some things aren't at E3, that and the timing works better for other shows.
That said, next year, with multiple consoles due out, it will be a big show
 

RestEerie

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Think E3 is going the way of CES & Mobile world congress...

CES used to be where all the cool tech were revealed,,.some of u might be too young to remember but the 8/16bit consoles were all revealed at CES before E3 1995 happened. then each company started to host their own reveal event as they can get all the spotlight that way and CES is relegated to an afterthought now.

Same thing as MWC, all the cool smartphones used to be revealed there,....now google, samsung, Huawei and everyone just held their own reveal event (even oneplus!!)

Not surprised E3 is the same. Where share the spotlight with others (and maybe crowned by the media as the 'loser' of the event) when you can hog all the spotlight?
 

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I wouldn't watch an Ubisoft conference at all if it wasn't at E3. Just as an example.

Other people probably give more time to companies and games they usually wouldn't just because of the big event's nature of E3.
 

Numberfox

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I'd rather all the companies take the Nintendo approach with a digital conference on top of days worth of live-streamed gameplay showcases, using the venue itself to host the live-streams as well as have hands-on demos and tournaments/invitationals for the folks attending. Consumers get much more information on the video games and a lot less of the awkwardness/forced PR that the other conferences exhibited.
 

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To me it's not so much that it's still super important, but rather it's the most exciting way to reveal a lot of major things. It's not the most cost effective. Hell its not even the most practical. But there is a charm that I'm sad is going away, although less crunch for devs makes the Medicine go down quicker.

Nothing compares to a genuinely elated crowd reacting super positively to a reveal.
 

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It's the only time of the year that non enthusiast media pay any attention to games in the UK. The BBC was running daily bulletins from the show etc.
 

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It's a celebration of gaming, a moment for all participators to come together, and as a gamer its one of the best week in the year. I honestly have no idea why some find joy in the prospect of it's demise, I can only think they're not fans of gaming, only the corporation they've decided to follow, which isn't the type of gamers we really need or should give attention to.

E3 news still made into mainstream news, it still attracts the 'big men/women' of gaming, and will be a platform for next gen show cases. Happy to see it's still going strong.

There isn't any event in gaming like it. So it really needs to be protected.
 

Arthands

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It serves as a networking venue for publishers, developers and journalists too. Minor companies cannot afford to fly journalists to their studio for coverage, while this venue allows them to showcase their playable demo products to hundreds and thousands of journalists.

E3 is bigger than what the internet portray.
 
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E3 was a largely private tradeshow until very very recently, while Paris Games Week and Gamescom had years and years to build up to what they are. plus E3 was created through the industry, and actively catered to the biggest names in video games and gave them platform and premium service. So they got the exhibitors, they got the media attention, they got the official backing of the US games lobbying industry, they're historically baked in as the place to be to show everything in the US.

There's also the fact of the matter is no matter how big Gamescom and PGW are, traditionally speaking they are rarely centered around giant media reveals, unless you're Sony recently.

While this might be true, the attendance of both PGW and Gamescom is increasing every year, while E3 is declining. I mean you have the biggest publishers and the biggest Stage, still you somehow cant attract (as many) people to your show in one of the biggest citys on earth.

It serves as a networking venue for publishers, developers and journalists too. Minor companies cannot afford to fly journalists to their studio for coverage, while this venue allows them to showcase their playable demo products to hundreds and thousands of journalists.

E3 is bigger than what the internet portray.

I'm with you, that having many reveals in one week is better for media coverage. I'm not saying reveals shouldn't happen at events. I'm just questioning why it has to be E3.
 

Ereineon

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While this might be true, the attendance of both PGW and Gamescom is increasing every year, while E3 is declining. I mean you have the biggest publishers and the biggest Stage, still you somehow cant attract (as many) people to your show in one of the biggest citys on earth.



I'm with you, that having many reveals in one week is better for media coverage. I'm not saying reveals shouldn't happen at events. I'm just questioning why it has to be E3.
because it has established itself as the place/date to be. the other game conventions arent as upfront as "this is the place to be". you could discard everything achieved till now, sure... but why would anyone want that? is better for consumers and companies to have one place to take such a focus. it doesnt have to be E3, but it is.

for the lucky that can go there is also a giant game party. is like the big league of game conventions. and for the rest of us, we just enjoy the announcements. ^^
but public attendance is not what set it appart for many people. is the news and the focus on it from the companies that set it appart (and im talking in a era when even nintendo with all the directs, doesnt need a physical E3 at all to show anything...)
 
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Tygre

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First off this is not an "E3 is dying" thread.

With E3 attendance falling this year, i asked myself why E3 is this big to begin with, compared to the Gamescom.

E3 had an attendance of 66,100 people, while the Gamescom surpassed 360.000 last year, even Paris Game Week topped 300.000 people.

E3 was big because it was a trade show NOT open to the public, so this measure is ass backwards.

It was specifically a big deal because it was an exclusive event for those in the industry, and it's no surprise that opening it up to the public has decresed it's relevancy.

Comparing E3 to Gamescom or PAX or whatever else would have been laughable a few years ago because they were very different events, the more similar they get the less reason E3 has to exist.
 

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Most industries have trade conventions to generate consumer interest, drum up purchasing orders, and promote business networking.
 

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e3 is pointless, companies can just announce their own internet conference stream any time they want to announce something and they will always have the spotlight
 

MrHedin

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Even being a down year look at how much discussion and content has come out of their year's E3. That's the value of it, getting everyone together at one particular time to make announcements and show off their games. The more people you have doing that the more eyeballs you get on everything which is better for the industry.
 

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Honestly I'm just a normal consumer and fan of games not involved in the industry in any way but I cherish that there's a centralized event like E3. Even being a grown adult E3 still feels like Christmas for me and my friends, we mostly take the week off where we can and stay up late to watch all the live-streams and news that come out of it and soak up the atmosphere that generally is around the internet at that time.

If each and every company would make their own events throughout the year I feel alot of that would be lost, the whole charm and excitement would not be gone but atleast very diminished since everything would be just one controlled message with little dynamic between each other.
 

Arthands

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While this might be true, the attendance of both PGW and Gamescom is increasing every year, while E3 is declining. I mean you have the biggest publishers and the biggest Stage, still you somehow cant attract (as many) people to your show in one of the biggest citys on earth.



I'm with you, that having many reveals in one week is better for media coverage. I'm not saying reveals shouldn't happen at events. I'm just questioning why it has to be E3.

there's no specific reason why it has to be E3. Its just that theres no other notable or suitable event in US. There's Pax, indiecade, Blizzcon, Dota 2 The International etc.
 

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I think this year, if anything, proved that it isn't that important. Sony's absence didn't seem to have any negative impact on Sony, and the announcements were few and far between and often followed by a CGI trailer they could have easily released at any time through the year. Which is the way I see things going in the future. Give your game some breathing room and announce it on your own terms instead of being forgotten amongst 200 other games.
 

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It will continue to be important as long as there are companies that use it to make announcements. Microsoft in particular never seems to announce anything of substance outside the likes of E3.
 

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Because it's fun and because its tradition. Not all traditions are bad, some are worth defending and carrying on.

Hopefully Sony returns next year and attendance increases again. I don't want E3 to go away.



Before E3 video games were just given a sweaty tent at CES. E3 was game's first place to stand apart (at least in the US).
 

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E3 was big because it was a trade show NOT open to the public, so this measure is ass backwards.

It was specifically a big deal because it was an exclusive event for those in the industry, and it's no surprise that opening it up to the public has decresed it's relevancy.

Comparing E3 to Gamescom or PAX or whatever else would have been laughable a few years ago because they were very different events, the more similar they get the less reason E3 has to exist.

Yep! This right here. It really needs to go back to being an industry event again and not trying to be like Pax or gamescom. If they did want to open it up a bit more they could just go the Tokyo game show route, where the first two days is business only and the last two days it's opened up to the general public.
 

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Because it's an event for journalists also, and companies invest a lot on conferences / presentations while Paris Games Week and Gamescom are primarily for consumers.