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Why Has 'Joker' Become So Uniquely Controversial?
- Thread starter digitalrelic
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Is it really that controversial or are outlets just talking about it because it's something to talk about?
It feels like a self fulfilling prophecy. If it empowered incels in any way it will be because it was given that power by the way people discussed the film and not really because of the actual film itself.
On its own, I don't think anyone would have a problem with its story/characterization but you can't remove context from the situation.
Especially when we've had these mass shootings lately perpetrated by these 12chan/4chan types.
And it's through that lens that ppl have a problem with things. Especially when some feel this film shines a somewhat sympathetic light on this violent anti-hero. There's no batman or any clear good to balance out the outright nihilism. Just US GAMERS RISING UP
Especially when we've had these mass shootings lately perpetrated by these 12chan/4chan types.
And it's through that lens that ppl have a problem with things. Especially when some feel this film shines a somewhat sympathetic light on this violent anti-hero. There's no batman or any clear good to balance out the outright nihilism. Just US GAMERS RISING UP
I haven't seen the movie yet. But it's now been out for a few days and... zilch. It's nowhere to be found on Reddit good, bad, or cringe. It hasn't taken the internet by storm. And none of the ideas or themes of the movie seem to be making any impact whatsoever in the media at large.
Well said. Some real stupid shallow and stupid takes on this, especially on this forum. No room for nuance or discussion. FAKE NEWS! CENSORSHIP! VIDEO GAMES! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
I don't know what you mean by song but I was disappointed that they used music by pedophile Gary Glitter. That is my personal issue with the movie. Apart from that I love it but I don't want to hear that music.
Way over-thinking it. Media writes a bunch of articles to create a story and people buy into it -- That's about it.
I feel like the media wants something to happen so they can be there to report on it and hand out their manufactured takes
This started with social media reaction, not with media.
The media are taking that and running with it but they definitely didn't start it. Even on this board people were criticizing it after reading the leaked script and saying it was alt right.
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So I finally saw this movie today, and I can't lie: I'm shocked by the reaction of moviegoers in the theater I was in.
Several people were laughing boisterously at vicious, horrible, violent, gory scenes throughout the movie. The person sitting right next to me looked exactly what you'd expect your stereotypical incel to look like and he had this stupid gleeful look on his face throughout the film and was constantly laughing at scenes that were clearly NOT meant to be funny. I honestly got the impression that it was like he was watching his hero on screen.
Some of the scenes in question:
The vibe in my theater was extremely off putting and made me very uncomfortable.
Beyond that, I kind of thought the movie itself sucked. Joaquin was amazing. The rest of the movie was complete trash. A pale imitation of much much much better films of its ilk. And I hate to say it but it does indeed celebrate a disgusting, violent character. No nuance. I kind of hated it.
Several people were laughing boisterously at vicious, horrible, violent, gory scenes throughout the movie. The person sitting right next to me looked exactly what you'd expect your stereotypical incel to look like and he had this stupid gleeful look on his face throughout the film and was constantly laughing at scenes that were clearly NOT meant to be funny. I honestly got the impression that it was like he was watching his hero on screen.
Some of the scenes in question:
When Joker pretends to shoot himself in the head when he's practicing for the talk show appearance, when Joker shoots & kills the three guys on the subway, when Joker stabs his co-worker in the neck, when Joker shoots the talk show host in the head, when Joker suffocates his mom with the pillow, and honestly endless more scenes
The vibe in my theater was extremely off putting and made me very uncomfortable.
Beyond that, I kind of thought the movie itself sucked. Joaquin was amazing. The rest of the movie was complete trash. A pale imitation of much much much better films of its ilk. And I hate to say it but it does indeed celebrate a disgusting, violent character. No nuance. I kind of hated it.
Nothing more terrifying to the American corporate mainstream media than a "eat the rich" theme.
But they can't come out and say that it why they hate it so it instead becomes an "incel" movie.
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I'm not sure that
propping up Joker as some kind of savior for the middle class against the elite through violence
A lot of shit is manufactured by the media and its fucking stupid.
there was cops stationed outside the theater tonight for joker....... one random movie for what? Oh that's right,because of the media yet again
He is not a savior at all. More like an anarchistic violent destroyer. He offers no solution, just "eating the rich" as retribution for his descent into madness. I don't think the movie is trying to have a "positive" message. Feels more like a warning.
I just got out from seeing it and it really isn't anything isn't anything new when comes to movies focused on a evil Villain, I don't get the controversy at all, even the "girlfriend" part didn't seem out of the ordinary for standard movie psychos, hell the movie comes up being more left leaning with the"eat the rich" message
Tbh, all these throw-away media boogieman posts got me eye-rolling. It makes me a little more understanding of the right-wing-o-sphere. I guess when it's something that you like, that you feel is unfairly criticized, it's human nature to bring out the same kind of talking points and ignore facts that don't support it.
Who knows, maybe if there were a suddenly a bunch of news articles about how sushi is bad, I would be posting about how the powerful beef industry is out of control and the media is just going for clicks.
Who knows, maybe if there were a suddenly a bunch of news articles about how sushi is bad, I would be posting about how the powerful beef industry is out of control and the media is just going for clicks.
The only answer is...Controversy Creates Cash. Eric Bischoff was right about that. Controversy/Conflict makes everyone richer.
I read this take by Michael Moore earlier today, he loved the movie and encourage everyone to go see it: https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10156278766436857
Not sure what to think about it since I haven't seen the movie but I thought he was being too... I don't know, understanding of the Joker?
I guess that's one of the things that make people talk about the movie so much. Personnally I've been completely de-hyped because of Todd Phillips' stupidity during the press tour, so if I see it, it'll be on a streaming service later.
Not sure what to think about it since I haven't seen the movie but I thought he was being too... I don't know, understanding of the Joker?
I guess that's one of the things that make people talk about the movie so much. Personnally I've been completely de-hyped because of Todd Phillips' stupidity during the press tour, so if I see it, it'll be on a streaming service later.
The movie became a lightning rod for politics, culture war and comic book company tribalism with Todd Phillips and Marc Maron happily pouring gasoline on the fire to further their point.
There was a small bit of real concern that in 2019 some white fuckbois might do something stupid inspired by the Joker. Of course any real concern became overblown and hyperbolic where it practically became a meme.
This article is a quick recap
Insecure marvel fans lost their minds like they did for Scorsese.
It's not really about the movie, but the times we live in. People lash out at the media they think affirms what they fear, and it's encouraged and reinforced by all the clicks publications can get playing to the fear.
Live in LA County and saw it in Redondo Beach last night, where there was a uniformed officer waiting as we exited, looking sheepish and embarrassed. Dude obviously takes his job seriously and probably felt like he was being wasted there, and he was. I didn't feel safer, I felt less safe knowing there was one more on-duty cop at a fucking mall AMC rather than in a patrol car.
I'm not sure Maron comes out looking any better in that. "I hate movies I don't watch" being used as a badge of honor. Man-child describes everyone in that article.
They are both right as well especially going by the actions of fans, the production companies are really targeting that fanboy lust with those movies without doing much more.
I haven't watched Joker but hearing it is based on The King of Comedy already sets it up to be something much more that the vast majority and makes sense to why Scorsese has been asked about superhero movies in the way he has in the last few weeks.
Part of it is the name recognition of the Joker. If this were just a movie there would still be some consternation, but I don't think there would be such widespread attention. I saw it earlier today and there were actually prohibitions against wearing masks, face paint or costumes to the movie.
You can be understanding, but also know what's happening isn't right.
