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why does Super Mario World control so badly
- Thread starter Cryptosporidium
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OP
Y'know, I actually came into this thread expecting to agree. I know there's nothing objectively wrong with them, but I've never really clicked with SMW's physics the same way I have for the other Mario games.
Then I read the OP and realized you're actually talking about Mario Maker 2, so now I'm just baffled.
Then I read the OP and realized you're actually talking about Mario Maker 2, so now I'm just baffled.
They're identical outside of SMW missing the wall jump, double/triple jumps, air twirl, and ground pound. And maybe skidding, can't remember if that's a thing in SMM.
Any further perceived differences are your eyes playing tricks on you.
I'd like to think it's more than nostalgia, but I think SMW's graphics are charming in a "new to this resolution" sort of way. It's not by any means gorgeous pixel art by today's standards but it has a nice bubbly, toony style that's instantly recognizable.
Lmfao. Millennial these days don't know good art or controls. Gamers need to rise up to show the young lads how far gaming hasn't come since SMW since it's the pinnacle.
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Okay, phew, it's a troll post.
3d land is very different.
but yeah the others have pretty much the same jumping and momentum in SMM2
You got me in here with your absolutely spicy title, OP. But, yes, if you're referring to it in Super Mario Maker, the physics are literally the same as New Super Mario Bros. U. Which is disappointing because actual Mario world feels so good to control, and I don't particularly like the lack of air control in other Mario platformers.
Also, Mario World has the best art in a 2D Mario platformer except Yoshi's Island.
Also, Mario World has the best art in a 2D Mario platformer except Yoshi's Island.
Mario World doesn't even really have a resolution the NES couldn't do, it's entirely about things like color palette and sprite limitations.
I remember being put off by the physics of Mario Maker 1 as I could tell that it wasn't the same as SMW. The new music is horrible for the MM series. I can't believe what I'm hearing at times.
The skins in Super Mario Maker 1 and 2 are cosmetic, and the physics are actually taken from NSMB. OP is experiencing a placebo effect.
Go into the Maker mode and test out jumps in the different styles. Aside from the NSMB double/triple/wall jumps, you'll see that the trajectories for jumps are exactly the same as the SMW.
Precisely, I played SMW a lot back in the day and it bothers me that in SMM2 it doesn't controls all that well, specially the cape.
OP, do not feel bad about the comments. I made a thread about this last week and the response was similar:
Most people seem to love the physics, but there are others feeling just like you. However, it seems that all game styles in SMM2 have the same physics! Have a nice day, OP! :)
Most people seem to love the physics, but there are others feeling just like you. However, it seems that all game styles in SMM2 have the same physics! Have a nice day, OP! :)
The fact that so many people are unable to tell that physics are the same across all the main styles leads me to think that the aesthetic colors the perception of actual substance.
Really, all Nintendo needs to do for 2D mario is to apply a new coat of paint with a couple of new moves and you will have people talking about how much better the physics are.
Really, all Nintendo needs to do for 2D mario is to apply a new coat of paint with a couple of new moves and you will have people talking about how much better the physics are.
I've actually been in discussions with friends of late about how terrible physics, not having weight is, in so many other lovely platformers from 8 bit computers, consoles, 16 bit computers like Amiga and Atari ST, Atari Jaguar, and yes newer systems where somebody could make a game that looked pretty but felt terrible.
yeah, it's so boring when they could be doing such interesting stuff
Animation plays hugely into physics.
I sound like a broken record making this point, but Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap on Master System had bad slippy physics, which was fixed by the remake despite it keeping the exact same physics. How? By adding appropriate animation 'tells' that make more sense of the physics for the player. The interaction between animation and control is to key for it to feel right.
Generally Mario games have been at the top of the game for their eras for matching animation and control, but applying one set of physics across multiple eras of art/animation could create some dissonance for players.
The physics in Super Mario World are the least slippery out of all of them, I believe. Mario has a lot of traction in that game. I remember a comparison shown where it was actually Super Mario Bros. 3 having the least amount of traction, followed by New.
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You're both passing judgement primarily based on Mario Maker 2 which I do not feel delivers the same quality of control and accuracy as the original games.
Super Mario World itself offers some of the most precise and engaging controls and physics in any platform game ever made, I'd say.
Yeah, I have to admit my thread was biased by playing SMM2. It has been a long time since I played the older Mario 2D games. Nintendo really should get those SNES classics on the Switch pronto!
I'm in the same boat. I loved Super Mario Land 2 to death and Yoshi's Island will forever be one of my most favourites. But when I tried Super Mario World a few years back, I just couldn't handle it. I even switched to Yoshi's Island, to compare them directly, and it feels so much better.
Can't say how it works in Mario Maker though.
It feels different from original SMW, which controlled much better than what we have in SMM2. They use the NSMB physics -the ones I like the least- for all styles, except 3d world i guess