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Why does Quake get no love?
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You quoted id software there, the developers of Quake, you know. Convincing yourself pads are good enough does not change the actual reality
Quake 3 is one of my most played games (it was the only thing available on linux for the longest time), but I couldn't get into Quake Champions. I remember sitting in matchmaking for like 10+ minutes at a time.
They need to get rid of matchmaking.
They need to get rid of matchmaking.
I play just about everything on PC and use keyboard & mouse in nearly every game where possible - to the point that it feels like I'm the only person complaining about poor mouse implementations in some games.
You don't need a mouse to play Quake.
Gamepads are not preventing them porting the games to current-gen systems.
Agreed, would love for Quake Wars to come back in some way, even if it's by the fans like Renegade X is to Command and Conquer: Renegade.
The developer of the game literally said it word for word that gamepads being inadequate is the ONLY reason they're not porting it
It probably doesn't make financial sense for them to port Quake Champions, as it's a multiplayer-only game that is unlikely to get a large following on console, but there's nothing preventing the other games from being ported over and played on a controller.
I think the original Quake is the only game which has not received an untouched console release before anyway. Quake II, III, 4, and ET:QW were all on the Xbox 360.
Love all 4 games. Part 4, especially, is a misunderstood, overlooked, unfairly derided gem.
I'm sure it'll get the love Doom is getting right now when it hits 25 in a couple years.
I'm sure it'll get the love Doom is getting right now when it hits 25 in a couple years.
yes because this is how everybody plays quake lol. be real here, quake would work perfectly well with a controller.
We're talking about classic single player Quake. Not Quake Champions.
I've played Quake 1 and 2 on a 3ds for crying out loud.
The trick here is that every single person that would buy a copy saw this thread and clicked yes, this is as good as an NPD numbers.
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They should've just released it as-is. Who gives a shit about your shit being really hard to play?
Release it, add kb/m support and then walk away, let them be shit having fun with your game. I can't even begin to tell you how many hours I put into Unreal Championship on OG Xbox with 125% speed being the norm in both AA/no-AA gametypes, people had a blast, you saw people playing that game well after the sequel that nobody wanted that was tuned for console players and up until servers went down.
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They should've just released it as-is. Who gives a shit about your shit being really hard to play?
Release it, add kb/m support and then walk away, let them be shit having fun with your game. I can't even begin to tell you how many hours I put into Unreal Championship on OG Xbox with 125% speed being the norm in both AA/no-AA gametypes, people had a blast, you saw people playing that game well after the sequel that nobody wanted that was tuned for console players and up until servers went down.
I used to play a hell of a lot of Quake Live when it was a free browser game. It was incredible for what it was. Then it became a paid game. Then Quake Champions came out. Played a bit of Champions, but really, Live was a hell of a lot more fun to me. I sorely miss those times spent playing.
I play quake 3 insta gib once or twice a year in office lans. It holds up just great. We play insta since one of us is disgustingly good. He used to compete. He would just steam roll us.
Give me a good Quake 1 reboot.
Just grungy, unsettling environments, elder gods, slimy grottos, and weird medieval shit.
If they could reboot it on the same level as they did with Doom, it'd be amazing. Then give me a id Avengers and have a game where the Doom Slayer, Ranger, and Blazkowicz team up to fight a Demon/Nazi/Elder God invasion.
Just grungy, unsettling environments, elder gods, slimy grottos, and weird medieval shit.
If they could reboot it on the same level as they did with Doom, it'd be amazing. Then give me a id Avengers and have a game where the Doom Slayer, Ranger, and Blazkowicz team up to fight a Demon/Nazi/Elder God invasion.
I just recently bought the Quake collection on Steam (which does NOT include Q4, asshats) and, while I do enjoy the ambiance and mood it sets you on, I can honestly say it has been faaaar surpassed in every conceivable way. But a Quake (2021) remboot? fuck yes, I'd love lovecraftian beasts in ID gfx.
You can have your quake collection on PC for a really cheap price. But yeah we need a new SP quake game. Quake 4 was underrated.
Man, there are some people who are really really angry at the idea of Quake ever being on consoles.
You all know they've all been on consoles before, right? If Quake 1 and 2 can work on the N64, then there's no reason why they wouldn't work on modern controllers too (and Quake 2 already worked pretty well on 360).
You all know they've all been on consoles before, right? If Quake 1 and 2 can work on the N64, then there's no reason why they wouldn't work on modern controllers too (and Quake 2 already worked pretty well on 360).
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Like i seriously don't get it. We even had a great port of Quake 2 on PS1 for crying out loud.
Replayed Quake on the Vita recently and it holds up damn good. I had forgotten how many FPS I played back in the day, but lost interest when it became all about military shooters. Gimme Quake. Gimme Hexen. Gimme more spiritual successors like Amid Evil. I'll buy all that shit.
I would take a Quake collection. I would love a Quake reboot with a level editor and uber awesome old school lan party settings as there is an entire generation of PC gamers that have never done a LAN party.
That port is fantastic. It's probably my favorite version of Quake 2. I like how colorful it is compared to the PC version.
Quake's problem is that it become defined by its multi-player, in particular death matches, to the point were 9 times out 10 when people say "Quake" what they mean is "Quake III Arena" because the context Quake gets brought is a multi-player context like: "What happened to arena shooters?" "multi-player games used to be more skillful" and so on. And well we can argue the reasons multi-player arena shooters are just not popular anymore, but since when people think "Quake" they think "arena shooters" and not "Single player" its stuck going down with the arena shooter ship.
Meanwhile Doom is far more remembered for its single player, which they did figure out a way to rework into something that both carries the fast frantic feeling of Classic Doom and is appealing to modern audiences, so its popularity is able to stabilize and even grow well Quake is stuck in a death spiral.
And that's not even getting into the fact that there's what three different kinds of Quake fans? Like you make a single player focused Quake and there will be a lot of Quake fans not happy, and then you have the "Gothic horror" Quake fans and the sci-fi Quake fans, I do not envy anyone trying to figure out what to do with this franchise.
Meanwhile Doom is far more remembered for its single player, which they did figure out a way to rework into something that both carries the fast frantic feeling of Classic Doom and is appealing to modern audiences, so its popularity is able to stabilize and even grow well Quake is stuck in a death spiral.
And that's not even getting into the fact that there's what three different kinds of Quake fans? Like you make a single player focused Quake and there will be a lot of Quake fans not happy, and then you have the "Gothic horror" Quake fans and the sci-fi Quake fans, I do not envy anyone trying to figure out what to do with this franchise.
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I agree with NathanS
When people hear Quake they think Quake 2 mp matches, Q3 Arena, or the new Quake hero shooter. I personally think id made a mistake by making Q3 a mp-focused game instead of another SP game, because they essentially designed themselves into a corner. Don't get me wrong- I understand that yeah, Q3 was insanely successful and popular, but it ended up letting their potential for SP rot on the vine, so to speak, and then Q4 ended up a flop.
Had they instead made Quake Arena a side project and continued working on a really solid SP Quake 3, things may be a lot different and more akin to where Doom is at currently with a proper revival and going back to it's roots.
I'd absolutely LOVE another SP Quake game but it needs to be done right and it needs to respect it's roots like the new Doom titles. At the same time I definitely respect the MP Quake crowd and I hope they keep making good titles with the IP for them too. Maybe developers that are good with MP stuff can handle those while another solid SP team (hey maybe Machine Games can do it and take a break from Wolf?) works on a revival.
What I'd like to see:
Quake Remastered - PC and Consoles, 4K, new graphics + an old graphics mode, MP based on the most popular modes/mods, a NEW extra episode
Quake 2 Remastered - see above
Quake 4 HD - can be basic enough, but a lot of folks didn't get to play it, and (IMHO) Doom 3 wasn't very good but got several ports, so why not?
Quake (2021) - a true return to form to it's SP roots with a new studio, and "soft rebooted" like Doom was without messing with the lore too much (I'd also prefer it to go back to it's alien/gothic inspired designs and creatures instead of just space marines and alien soldiers...)
When people hear Quake they think Quake 2 mp matches, Q3 Arena, or the new Quake hero shooter. I personally think id made a mistake by making Q3 a mp-focused game instead of another SP game, because they essentially designed themselves into a corner. Don't get me wrong- I understand that yeah, Q3 was insanely successful and popular, but it ended up letting their potential for SP rot on the vine, so to speak, and then Q4 ended up a flop.
Had they instead made Quake Arena a side project and continued working on a really solid SP Quake 3, things may be a lot different and more akin to where Doom is at currently with a proper revival and going back to it's roots.
I'd absolutely LOVE another SP Quake game but it needs to be done right and it needs to respect it's roots like the new Doom titles. At the same time I definitely respect the MP Quake crowd and I hope they keep making good titles with the IP for them too. Maybe developers that are good with MP stuff can handle those while another solid SP team (hey maybe Machine Games can do it and take a break from Wolf?) works on a revival.
What I'd like to see:
Quake Remastered - PC and Consoles, 4K, new graphics + an old graphics mode, MP based on the most popular modes/mods, a NEW extra episode
Quake 2 Remastered - see above
Quake 4 HD - can be basic enough, but a lot of folks didn't get to play it, and (IMHO) Doom 3 wasn't very good but got several ports, so why not?
Quake (2021) - a true return to form to it's SP roots with a new studio, and "soft rebooted" like Doom was without messing with the lore too much (I'd also prefer it to go back to it's alien/gothic inspired designs and creatures instead of just space marines and alien soldiers...)
I'd buy a Quake 1 remake for sure. 2 and 4 are... OK I guess, but that scifi robot alien stuff is kinda ehhhh compared to the dark Lovecraftian fantasy of Quake 1.
I don't play MP, so Quake 3 has never been relevant to me.
I don't play MP, so Quake 3 has never been relevant to me.
Quake4 runs into issues as it wasn't developed in house by id, but by Raven. Bethesda never seems all that in a hurry to go to Activision for such things.
Oh that's right, I completely forgot. Raven was pretty awesome back in the day, well, except Q4.
The timing for rocket jumping in Quake is incredibly precise. You need a very quick downward flick, a jump, and then a rocket fire very shortly after. It would be incredibly difficult to do with gyro aiming. I agree that gyro aiming is good, but I don't think most players would reliably be able to do it with gyros.
It's more that Quake 1multiplayer as originally designed is pretty much impossible to play at a high level with a controller, because it was never considered that players might use one when it was being designed. Sure, you could have a version where everyone runs round the levels and shoot each other with a controller, but it would be a completely different game to how its played on KB&M.
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First several times I beat it were on Saturn, I can attest, it is possible.
Agreed, always and forever!
Rolling my eyes at those who don't seem to realize that the way most people played Quake 1 at launch was the same way they played all FPSes back then. Arrow keys to move, ctrl to shoot, shift to run, alt to strafe was literally the default control method, with A and Z to look up and down being the big new additions. I finished the single player that way. It was only months later at a gaming con I heard about this crazy dude who was somehow using a mouse and doing exceptionally well in Deathmatch with it.
Quake 1 is amazing. I liked it more than old school Doom until the recent reboot. Best gaming soundtrack of all times and the game had lots of lore and personality.
I remember thinking my dream FPS was Quake 1's world with Half Life's storytelling approach.
Quake 2 and on just was "another sci fi shooter"
I'd be day one for a Quake 1 remake or a return to that direction. ID software took that series in a generic direction.
Also I voted maybe cause I only want Quake 1 and its expansions. The rest I can do without.
I remember thinking my dream FPS was Quake 1's world with Half Life's storytelling approach.
Quake 2 and on just was "another sci fi shooter"
I'd be day one for a Quake 1 remake or a return to that direction. ID software took that series in a generic direction.
Also I voted maybe cause I only want Quake 1 and its expansions. The rest I can do without.
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I really should try rocket jumping with gyro in Quake and see if I can pull it off. I didn't factor in that it needs to be that precise.
