I think default is the wrong work here.
You are playing with fire.
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Why do some cisgender people hate the term cisgender?
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You are playing with fire.
I think the only time I've ever heard such a paragraph is when it would be contextually relevant. I used to belong to an LGBTQ+ club, and that's about the only place you'd hear it. But that's cuz a significant amount of members were trans. And nobody used it as an insult, nor did anyone obligate themselves to identify as cisgender or transgender.
Fair enough - would be kinda weird to have someone straight up address themselves but within that context of trying I guess it'd be endearing.
That's fair. I was thinking more in general day to day but I can totally see that.
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Because it then becomes a "normal" vs "abnormal" debate where one side is privileged on a very basic level.
You don't get a say in what is disrespectful to trans people.
Also, it's like saying being straight is the default. For a long time people think that's the default, but recent studies in trans people show that sexuality is much more varied (straight:gay:bi/pan about 1:1:1) than people originally thought, and no one of them can be considered "default".
It is the cishet normative society that makes being cis the "default".
It really should not need to be explained to you why your choice of the word "default" is the wrong term to use.
Are straight people the "default" too?
You understand that you're essentially advocating for people to treat trans people different, right? When one group is the "default" just because they're the majority, the other (minority) group automatically becomes" "abnormal" or "not the default."
What are the alternatives or synonyms for cis gender individuals? Specifically, the ones they don't take offense to being called.
I used to think it was slur for white people or something. I always heard it used like "cis white male", which should have made it more obvious it wasn't a slur. I guess for a lot of people it's just putting yourself in a box you weren't in before. I hear tons of people say "I'm as white/black/asian as they come" but no one wants to claim cis like that. There is no pride in it for most people.
You realize that that applies to trans people too right?
Trans doesn't capture who someone is as person either
If I were to misgender someone, I'd apoliogize and call them the gender they prefer to be called. Whats so bad about that:?
"Default" in this case refers to what gets to be blessed as "normal." The cancellation of "defaults" is nothing more than an acknowledgement that they pin arbitrary abnormality on anybody who isn't part of it. See "default white" or "default male" when it comes to media representation.
Sounds close to sissy or sis. I dunno, I guess it sounds feminine? I imagine insecurities play a role regardless the reason people are apprehensive about using it or having it used to describe them.
The assumption that everyone is cisgender outside of those outspoken and out people who're trans also completely erases those unable to be so for a variety of factors.
Honestly one large hurdle I've come across is getting people to appreciate that cis and straight are decoupled. Gender identity and sexuality are still heavily linked in a lot of people's minds.
Honestly one large hurdle I've come across is getting people to appreciate that cis and straight are decoupled. Gender identity and sexuality are still heavily linked in a lot of people's minds.
The fact that a group of people is a majority absolutely should not give them status as a "default" in society. To do so would be needlessly alienating to large amounts of people who suddenly are burdened with an outsider status that helps no one and often encourages some in that majority group to feel justified in looking down or discriminating against them. It's incredibly easy to just... not treat one group as the default. In the end to do so doesn't hurt anybody, and it helps to remove the stigma of being outside "normalcy" in society, which can often be the justification for a lot of hateful views.
Yeah maybe don't compare cis to an act of imperialist colonialism
No one type of person should ever been seen as the default. Doing so automatically puts them in a position of power over others as they are the "normal" people and everyone else is an "other".
This kind of thinking is at the root cause of bigotry.
Honestly, you should be able to read the replies in this thread now and understand this. It is not a difficult concept to grasp.
This has literally nothing to do with my reply to you and you didn't answer my question.
I'm a gay guy who is perfectly at peace that ny sexual orientation is not the default and it doesn't bother me at all.
That's fine, but maybe, just maybe, you should listen to what trans people are telling you instead of talking over them, and telling them how they should feel when they are not part of the "default" group.
No one is trying to attack or belittle you, but you sure are to us by playing that card. At this point you've been clearly informed, so if you're still not listening, I can only assume it's intentional and you're playing dumb so you can continue to do it.
Cisgender is fine as a term. Cis and Trans are opposites in Latin, so it makes linguistic sense. Seeing it as derogatory or gross is ridiculous, you might as well say you don't like Latin.
I think there are just cis people who are salty about being told their opinion doesn't matter on a subject because they are cis. But there are some subjects where a cis person maybe doesn't really need to weigh in.
I think there are just cis people who are salty about being told their opinion doesn't matter on a subject because they are cis. But there are some subjects where a cis person maybe doesn't really need to weigh in.
Read the other replies to you. Forget just thinking about how you take it personally, and listen to what others are saying.
You truly, truly saying you don't get it?
User Banned (Permanent): Transphobic trolling across a series of posts; prior severe ban for transphobia
Sorry to tell you, but gay people are bothered all the time.. but it just doesn't;t bother me.
You're not even trying to listen to people, lol.
The fact THAT was your reply to the comment you quoited completely shows you up anyway.
Because some people are ignorant or bigoted? If you're not one of these I don't see why you would be offended by it.
Greek > Latin. Even the Romans knew this.
But they do identify as it inherently by not being trans in any way.
And really weird to compare cis to a semi reclaimed slur instead of straight, heterosexual, etc...
AJ+ - Muslim artist challenges a sexualized design of niqabi-wearing superhero Dust
That's how most women are shaped. Maybe not in the US..
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It's as blatant now as it was back then. Just report and move on. He only wants his attention and derail time.
So you're just admitting to trolling now, intentionally using transphobic tactics because you simply don't care what trans people actually think or say about it. Got it, won't waste my time on you anymore.
AJ+ - Muslim artist challenges a sexualized design of niqabi-wearing superhero Dust
That's how most women are shaped. Maybe not in the US..
It's as blatant now as it was back then. Just report and move on. He just wants his attention and derail time.
Dude's a clown designing his comments just perfectly to antagonise and skirt staff action.
That's definitely not it, from my perspective.
Anyone that insecure needs to reevaluate themself.
The Devil has the best lawyers in history on retainer, he doesn't need your pro bono work.
Hey now, some of my favorite prefixes are derived from Latin :P
Your perspective is the same as "I don't see colour", though, and you've really failed to even attempt to understand why that's an issue in a thread full of people explaining it patiently and articulately.
It kind of assumes that people think about gender in a specific way, ie. they have a strong feeling of innate gender. I don't really identify with that.
It's a descriptive term that precisely demonstrates that all people can have a modifier ascribed to them: cis or trans. Whether or not it "sounds" weird doesn't matter.
Say "trans" a hundred times and it'll sound weird.
Do the same for "cis," or "potato," or "Nintendo." Also weird.
That's why the sound argument fails.
Cis people don't like the term because it makes them consider things -- like, think really hard about certain things when they wouldn't ordinarily need to do that. Our discomfort, such that it's even valid, is less important than validating and normalizing the existence of trans folks.
Say "trans" a hundred times and it'll sound weird.
Do the same for "cis," or "potato," or "Nintendo." Also weird.
That's why the sound argument fails.
Cis people don't like the term because it makes them consider things -- like, think really hard about certain things when they wouldn't ordinarily need to do that. Our discomfort, such that it's even valid, is less important than validating and normalizing the existence of trans folks.
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