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Why do so many posters defend anti-consumer practices when it comes to video games?
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You must have missed the rest of my post so I'll quote it for you:
It's probably not the best example of that, but it is something that pops up in preservation threads
You are right though, I should have used a better example
And time rolls on and on and on. Stores still get exclusive deals, items, products, etc., to this day.
I'm aware plenty of stores have broken anti-trust laws at some point in time or even very recent. Courts usually fine'em when they find'em, things go back to normal for awhile. Exclusivity of a product alone does not mean an anti-trust law was broken.
Parenting, true. But parents are not perfect and states sometimes kick in---for example, mandating vaccines or schooling.
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Are you saying we don't need antitrust and competition policy because parents exist...?
So are you confirming that people below 25 is a large parte of the gaming audience, right?
They should mandate vaccines since parents can also be idiots.
The existence of an additional store front had never been an issue. In fact under normal circumstances it would be a sign of the growth of the pc market. In fact it is. The problems start coming out when you start considering the practices associated with the store. Arguing that the games will eventually get onto other stores is how companies inside and outside the games industry normalise anti-competitive and anti-consumer behaviour which is why people are pushing back against the store.
Outside that specific argument I am confused though. You argued that you would rather not have to launch a store launcher (specifically steam) to update your game. But aren't you gonna do this even if you purchased your game on the epic store anyway?
I'm also tired of people using the term "anti-consumer" as a catchall for "I don't like thing."
Bingo. This board has a tendency to redefine terms to fit their arguments
If were gonna drag the 30% cu t into the argument ( which I'm totally for)then we need to encourage this from not only valve but Sony, Nintendo, MS and all other publisher owned store fronts which sell third party titles.
Now that would be shaking up the market.
Do we grant them leeway for their R&D of hardware and other costs that Valve does not carry or is Live and Plus fees make all things equal?
Valve doesn't make hardware now? you are really transparent.
You would have to also include steams own R&D including steam boxes , controllers and game release frameworks which have made game publication and support very easy on steam.
can you provide an example of where the label is inaccurate? or are you more annoyed that you just keep seeing the same word over and over like the 50 year olds who get mad when they see words like "selfie"
Yup fanboy/fangirls will do anything to justify their purchases.
And EXCLUDE the licensing fees that platform holders get anyway for physical game sales.
People above 25 are an equally large if not larger part, so you're theory doesn't hold as much water as you think it does.
I don't have the time or energy to search through 100+ gaming side threads just to appease you. I've seen the term used for when a game doesn't have a feature someone wanted, or it being used because a game was too hard, and so on.
The tribalism and corporate worship has always ran deep on this site. That's just how videogames are. Especially among people who lack a strong sense of identity, so they tend to latch on to the things they enjoy as a stand-in for culture and act as if criticism against thing they like is a criticism on their character.
This tells me that either the answer to my question is "no", or it's so infrequent that it's not a real problem.
Yeah, it's basically becoming interchangeable with "I don't like thing". The last straw for me was Nintendo being pegged as anti consumer because you couldn't use a game designed around joy con use with the Pro Controller.
Edit; was reading thread backwards and we are saying the same thing!
What's something specific labeled anti consumer that isn't?
The only one I can think of is companies not dropping prices or releasing expensive ports. That's not anti consumer as there's no deception or coercion.
I'm not going to apologize for being too busy to dig through the forum to satisfy a stranger's question. You can either take my answer at face value or not. It's not my job to make a horse drink.
So it was just a hottake without any base behind it
And you dont need to search anything, if its so clear you could provide some examples.
one person on a gaming forum once said something was anti-consumer when it wasn't (don't ask me for proof tho I don't have the time) so I can't take anyone seriously when they say "anti-consumer" even though it's as straightforward of a term as there can be.
I am an intellectual
Then lets make it transparent, what is their overhead and the revenue coming in and out in comparison. I thought it was well known console game prices were higher for a reason before?
If it's that difficult to find an example then it's not a common or significant problem.
Mario Party not allowing Pro controller use despite the game being specifically designed around joy con use, and every single person owning joy cons anyway.
I wasn't arguing this, it's just a fact that EGS games will come to steam. The same can't be said about the games locked on steam coming to other launchers or non steam key storefronts (it all goes back to steam with the steam keys). I would have waited to get FFXII TZA on some other store like Origin (EA has awesome live CS), or Twitch Store (Amazon are the best with CS in my experience). I hear that Steam's CS have gotten better, but I'd rather cross that road when I have to and still look for alternative ways to buy the games I want. If I can't find the game on another launcher I still get it on steam anyway. Hopefully I'll never need to find out if their CS got better from experience.
I would rather not have to update the game to play it, especially single player or local multiplayer. I bet I can get around it by launching Steam in offline mode, but that's a lot of hoops for impulsively deciding to play a game from my organized Windows Start menu Games category. (steam updates and launches, then relaunch steam in offline mode). Games that don't require it's launcher to run are just awesome.
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> you dont need to search
> search for examples
Maybe I should just start my work shift early from now on.
Reminds me of aZaK, wherever they are now. Dunno if they made the jump over here. I remember they used to go on rants about Nintendo, said that the Switch releasing so barebones with lack of features was anti-consumer.
Well, not giving broad controller options could be anti consumer if it's ableist. It's not anti you, but it may be anti people with disabilities. You're just exposing your privilege here.
Companies should include accessibility options as much as possible, even if not as fun or perfect or for all specific sections.
Sometimes it's just plain BS. Like the docked controls of pokemon let's go. Probably anti consumer by being unnecessary ableist (portable controls already made and would work docked) but also just terrible design
Did you really think nobody would ask for a simple clarification when you dropped such a vague statement in response to this thread?
You've had the time to drop into this thread, post your hot take, and then respond to five different posts about how you dont have the time to elaborate on your original post at all 🤔🤨🧐
It's not difficult (on desktop, anyways. Search straight up doesn't work right for me on mobile). You're just not that important to me.
I'm sorry, but I'm unable to take things seriously when people use hyperbolic terms like "corporate apologist".
Amen. Anyone who says "the customer is always right" has never worked with customers.
Like i said, your post is just a hottake without any base behind it.
If you're going to waste your time responding to someone as important to me, could you at least answer my question?
Like choosing to reply to someone as unimportant as me five times without saying anything seems like an even bigger waste of time than just responding once after a very quick search. It's in the top right of your screen, it looks like this 🔍
this x100
i'm so tired of "anti-consumer" being thrown around
a store having exclusive games/poaching titles =/= anti-consumer
a store lacking features that another store has =/= anti-consumer
a store you just don't like because it's not "the other one" and you're too rooted in their ecosystem that nobody liked when it came out either
=/= anti-consumer
i really hate playing games sometimes because now "gamers" really think they're the supreme court or something
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I'm sorry but PC dudes are weird to me with this Epic shit. It's not like u got to buy another fucking computer. Just download the app and buy the fucking game u want. I would never understand that shit. but I only want to play it on steam. I shouldn't have to wait. It's not fair lol
I try to understand and see points on anything. But that is so dumb to me.
I try to understand and see points on anything. But that is so dumb to me.
I know where it is smartass. I just got done saying it does not work for me on mobile.
You can find a bunch in here. A lot of the stuff highlighted is mainly users complaining:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/an...at-have-caused-you-to-spend-less-money.54872/
That was just a quick thread search to highlight. Without actually documenting each and every one as they arise, and they do frequently, not having a ready to deploy dossier isn't really a counter argument.