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DragonSJG

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Mar 4, 2019
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I know anime is made for a Japanese audience and thus, these characters are written as japanese. However, something I've been wondering for a while, like in anime like DBZ, Naruto, Sailor Moon and many more, why are so many of these characters blonde? I know anime characters have like hair not found in real life, so is it reflective of that or something?
 

Imperfected

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Nov 9, 2017
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Your question isn't, "Why do so many anime characters have white/blue/green/purple hair"? That's usually where people go with this.

It's because most manga artists learn to draw faces in a very narrow range of styles, so to differentiate similar character designs they use different hair styles and colors. The more same-y the faces they draw, the more outlandish they have to be with hairstyles/colors.
 

nsilvias

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Oct 25, 2017
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its because they are either gyaru, are rich, foreign, or just naturally blonde or dye their hair blonde
 
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Mobu

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Oct 28, 2017
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It comes from manga and they do it in manga to save on ink
 

Alastor3

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Oct 28, 2017
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because most of asian have brown/dark hair
 

Vern

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Oct 26, 2017
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I've never watched sailor moon, dbz, or naruto... but are they really supposed to be Japanese? Isn't it all, at best, like a fantasy version of Japan? I'd like to think their is a distinction. In fantasy world of Japan there are lots of blonde people.
 

TiC

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Jul 12, 2019
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I've never watched sailor moon, dbz, or naruto... but are they really supposed to be Japanese? Isn't it all, at best, like a fantasy version of Japan? I'd like to think their is a distinction. In fantasy world of Japan there are lots of blonde people.
Sailor Moon takes place in Japan.
Dragon Ball and Naruto are in fictional worlds.
 

anamika

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May 18, 2018
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Racism. White, blonde, blue eyed characters with Caucasian features is the norm in anime/manga because of an idealization of white people.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Whitewashing racial bias: The ball's in Japan's court

In what felt something like a case of deja vu from last year's Masatoshi Hamada blackface fiasco, Japan welcomed in 2019 with yet another racially insensitive controversy, this time in the form of an ad from food company Nissin.
Like this is how Naomi Osaka was drawn for example...
p8-russell-whitewashing-c-20190218.jpg
 

Rutger

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Oct 25, 2017
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In the case of Super Saiyans in DB, it's because Toriyama got tired of always having to ink in Goku's hair.
 

BlackGoku03

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Oct 25, 2017
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Racism. White, blonde, blue eyed characters with Caucasian features is the norm in anime/manga because of an idealization of white people.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Whitewashing racial bias: The ball's in Japan's court

In what felt something like a case of deja vu from last year's Masatoshi Hamada blackface fiasco, Japan welcomed in 2019 with yet another racially insensitive controversy, this time in the form of an ad from food company Nissin.
Like this is how Naomi Osaka was drawn for example...
p8-russell-whitewashing-c-20190218.jpg
Damn. Didn't know they did her dirty like that.
 

Vern

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Oct 26, 2017
5,097
Sailor Moon takes place in Japan.
Dragon Ball and Naruto are in fictional worlds.

Sure, but it's not Japan, it's "Japan" ... I mean, aren't they like school girls that chase chaos emeralds and shit? It's fantasy. Their hair can be any color. Maybe I didn't make my point clear? If it was supposed to be a real representation of Japan then maybe the hair color matters, but it's some outlandish version of it from the few pics I've seen from any of these animes. Again, haven't watched them.
 
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DragonSJG

DragonSJG

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Mar 4, 2019
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Anyone know about the term mukokuseki? I heard that Japanese people see them as Japanese, not white
 
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RiOrius

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sure, but it's not Japan, it's "Japan" ... I mean, aren't they like school girls that chase chaos emeralds and shit? It's fantasy. Their hair can be any color. Maybe I didn't make my point clear? If it was supposed to be a real representation of Japan then maybe the hair color matters, but it's some outlandish version of it from the few pics I've seen from any of these animes. Again, haven't watched them.
Okay, but why hair? Why is it so common for anime characters, even those set in actual normal-ass Japan, to have strangely colored hair, and yet not have, say, elf ears or third eyes or random other fantasy features? Like, if your argument is "because fantasy," there's a lot of stuff that that would explain that we don't see nearly so often, so... clearly there's something more going on.

And while I think there is something to be said for the eurocentric idealization, I do think there's something to be said for "because faces are hard." Wildly different hair colors are an easy and obvious way to distinguish characters. And this also explains why there are so many anime characters with blue hair, purple hair, white hair, etc. Honestly I find it super convenient. I'm terrible with faces.
 

Ashdroid

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Oct 27, 2017
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Racism. White, blonde, blue eyed characters with Caucasian features is the norm in anime/manga because of an idealization of white people.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Whitewashing racial bias: The ball's in Japan's court

In what felt something like a case of deja vu from last year's Masatoshi Hamada blackface fiasco, Japan welcomed in 2019 with yet another racially insensitive controversy, this time in the form of an ad from food company Nissin.
Like this is how Naomi Osaka was drawn for example...
p8-russell-whitewashing-c-20190218.jpg
that image feels like it takes "I don't even see color" to a whole new level
 

Khrno

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Nov 3, 2017
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Because they are all super saiyajin obviously.

The ones with blue hair are god level.
 

TigerBrownie

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May 9, 2018
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Well in manga which is typically black/white some authors use blonde hair because it's easier to draw (it's white so they don't have to colour it in). Akira Toriyama said one of the reasons he made the super saiyan transformation blonde was so that they didn't need to colour it in like black/dark hair.
 

Deleted member 4532

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Oct 25, 2017
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Racism. White, blonde, blue eyed characters with Caucasian features is the norm in anime/manga because of an idealization of white people.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Whitewashing racial bias: The ball's in Japan's court

In what felt something like a case of deja vu from last year's Masatoshi Hamada blackface fiasco, Japan welcomed in 2019 with yet another racially insensitive controversy, this time in the form of an ad from food company Nissin.
Like this is how Naomi Osaka was drawn for example...
p8-russell-whitewashing-c-20190218.jpg
Bout time someone said it. And wtf at that image.
 

Vern

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Oct 26, 2017
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Okay, but why hair? Why is it so common for anime characters, even those set in actual normal-ass Japan, to have strangely colored hair, and yet not have, say, elf ears or third eyes or random other fantasy features? Like, if your argument is "because fantasy," there's a lot of stuff that that would explain that we don't see nearly so often, so... clearly there's something more going on.

And while I think there is something to be said for the eurocentric idealization, I do think there's something to be said for "because faces are hard." Wildly different hair colors are an easy and obvious way to distinguish characters. And this also explains why there are so many anime characters with blue hair, purple hair, white hair, etc. Honestly I find it super convenient. I'm terrible with faces.

I don't know man. The last anime I watched was Crying Freeman when I was like 13 years old. I seem to remember everyone had black hair, and the assassin cried when he killed people. It seemed to be set in a "realistic" version of Japan, so the hair was normal? I'm no expert.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Idolisation of a Eurocentric idea of beauty.
Racism. White, blonde, blue eyed characters with Caucasian features is the norm in anime/manga because of an idealization of white people.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Whitewashing racial bias: The ball's in Japan's court

In what felt something like a case of deja vu from last year's Masatoshi Hamada blackface fiasco, Japan welcomed in 2019 with yet another racially insensitive controversy, this time in the form of an ad from food company Nissin.
Like this is how Naomi Osaka was drawn for example...
p8-russell-whitewashing-c-20190218.jpg
These threads always get super uncomfortable, because fans don't want to talk about the obvious euro-centric racism that's become normalized as "stateless" in Japanese media.

While there's an argument for some of it (Toriyama admitted to being lazy with Super Saiyan), a lot of it is just fucked up beauty standards.
 

CoolestSpot

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Oct 25, 2017
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User Banned (Permanent): Inflammatory Generalizations and Trolling; Long History of Inflammatory Commentary and Trolling
Cause they have history of thinking that's the ideal.
220px-Adolf_Hitler_meets_with_the_Japanese_ambassador_Hiroshi_Oshima_1942.jpg
 

Mahonay

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Racism. White, blonde, blue eyed characters with Caucasian features is the norm in anime/manga because of an idealization of white people.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Whitewashing racial bias: The ball's in Japan's court

In what felt something like a case of deja vu from last year's Masatoshi Hamada blackface fiasco, Japan welcomed in 2019 with yet another racially insensitive controversy, this time in the form of an ad from food company Nissin.
Like this is how Naomi Osaka was drawn for example...
p8-russell-whitewashing-c-20190218.jpg
That's fucked
 

CoolestSpot

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Oct 25, 2017
17,325
Let's also bring in the concept in anime that the hero has to work hard and train to get where they are, to make the idea of struggle to success still something worth reaching for, but instilling it still has to be in your blood and class that some are just "born better" that's in a bunch of Shonen.
 

Moose the Fattest Cat

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Dec 15, 2017
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Racism. White, blonde, blue eyed characters with Caucasian features is the norm in anime/manga because of an idealization of white people.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Whitewashing racial bias: The ball's in Japan's court

In what felt something like a case of deja vu from last year's Masatoshi Hamada blackface fiasco, Japan welcomed in 2019 with yet another racially insensitive controversy, this time in the form of an ad from food company Nissin.
Like this is how Naomi Osaka was drawn for example...
p8-russell-whitewashing-c-20190218.jpg

Thank you! Correct answer was in the top 10 but it was close there for a minute. Good example.

Also, it's why all anime fans -- and fans of anything that are also fans of not living in Nazi states -- should be aware of its prevalence basically everywhere, in both malignant and benign forms.

This thread is ongoing -- https://www.resetera.com/threads/an...t-right-neo-nazis-in-the-anime-fandom.260391/
 
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DragonSJG

DragonSJG

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Mar 4, 2019
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These threads always get super uncomfortable, because fans don't want to talk about the obvious euro-centric racism that's become normalized as "stateless" in Japanese media.

While there's an argument for some of it (Toriyama admitted to being lazy with Super Saiyan), a lot of it is just fucked up beauty standards.
Can you elaborate on the stateless part? I also read that to the Japanese, they see the characters as japanese
but that commercials so f*cked
 

Hattoto

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Jun 26, 2020
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Might have to wonder: if Western culture weren't dominant or if Japan didn't westernize in the Meiji period, would the Japanese still be depicting fictionalized versions of themselves as such?
 

gully state

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Oct 27, 2017
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Repeat after me...East Asian ideals of beauty are not Eurocentric.. you actually think we have yellow skin?
 

lupinko

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Oct 26, 2017
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Your question isn't, "Why do so many anime characters have white/blue/green/purple hair"? That's usually where people go with this.

It's because most manga artists learn to draw faces in a very narrow range of styles, so to differentiate similar character designs they use different hair styles and colors. The more same-y the faces they draw, the more outlandish they have to be with hairstyles/colors.

One and done.
 

RestEerie

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Aug 20, 2018
13,618
Read the article posted above

china's never been 'colonized' by the west (not in the traditional sense) and they prefers 'fairer' skin as well.

It's not 'western-envy'. It's more of 'class' based envyness.

In china and countries with majority ethnic chinese (Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore basically), the fairer skin a person is, the more supposed 'higher class' is..the thinking because a tanned/darker person works in the field/out in the sun and thus from the 'lower' class. That's why many chinese, especially the ladies, are obsessed with fairer whiter skin. Nothing to do with 'western-centric' sensibilities and thinking and racial bias and preferences. i can't speak for japanese (& Koreans) but i reckoned they got something similiar in terms of skin-tone preferences, not due to 'race', but due to 'class'.

Contrary to popular believes, the world doesn't starts and ends with 'western' perspectives

P.S. Am chinese myself.

Learn some actual history about East Asian beauty standards...It's not to emulate white people.

Yes. Agree. And i speak of this as a chinese.
 

Lunar Wolf

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Nov 6, 2017
16,237
Los Angeles
Sailor Moon takes place in Japan.
Dragon Ball and Naruto are in fictional worlds.
I've never watched sailor moon, dbz, or naruto... but are they really supposed to be Japanese? Isn't it all, at best, like a fantasy version of Japan? I'd like to think their is a distinction. In fantasy world of Japan there are lots of blonde people.

In Naruto's case, the author's said that the Naruto world is meant to be racially diverse despite everyone having Japanese names and cultural customs. According to him, Naruto & Sakura are Caucasian while Hinata and Sasuke are Asian.

And then there's most of the Cloud Village who are obviously meant to be black.
 
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DragonSJG

DragonSJG

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Mar 4, 2019
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In Naruto's case, the author's said that the Naruto world is meant to be racially diverse despite everyone having Japanese names and cultural customs. According to him, Naruto & Sakura are Caucasian while Hinata and Sasuke are Asian.

And then there's most of the Cloud Village who are obviously meant to be black.
Link?
 

Kalentan

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Oct 25, 2017
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In Naruto's case, the author's said that the Naruto world is meant to be racially diverse despite everyone having Japanese names and cultural customs. According to him, Naruto & Sakura are Caucasian while Hinata and Sasuke are Asian.

And then there's most of the Cloud Village who are obviously meant to be black.

Yeah gotta ask... link?
 

Chaos2Frozen

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Nov 3, 2017
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This topic comes up once in a while and it's as silly as when people confidently claim all Anime characters are base on white people because they have big eyes and white skin.
 

Lunar Wolf

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Nov 6, 2017
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Yeah gotta ask... link?


He's given two quotes on it. I can't find the other one but here's one where he commented on what race should play what for Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura:

Shonen Jump: If an American Naruto live-action film ever got made, who do you see playing Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke?

KM: Naruto has blue eyes and blond hair, so any child actor in America could play him. Sasuke would be someone Japanese-American, and Sakura, someone European. I'm not all that familiar with the names of child actors. I only remember Dakota Fanning... [laughs] I love movies and know actors' faces, but not the names

It's from one of his many interviews.
 
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They prefer facial features that happen to mostly be exclusive to one particular race.

Furthermore, even if they think they're 'Japanese' characters, that doesn't change how the characters actually look.
 

gully state

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Oct 27, 2017
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the article actually goes into detail on this
give it a read and let me know what you think
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china's never been 'colonized' by the west (not in the traditional sense) and they prefers 'fairer' skin as well.

It's not 'western-envy'. It's more of 'class' based envyness.

In china and countries with majority ethnic chinese (Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore basically), the fairer skin a person is, the more supposed 'higher class' is..the thinking because a tanned/darker person works in the field/out in the sun and thus from the 'lower' class. That's why many chinese, especially the ladies, are obsessed with fairer whiter skin. Nothing to do with 'western-centric' sensibilities and thinking and racial bias and preferences. i can't speak for japanese (& Koreans) but i reckoned they got something similiar in terms of skin-tone preferences, not due to 'race', but due to 'class'.

Contrary to popular belief, the world doesn't starts and ends with 'western' perspectives
 
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Imperfected

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Nov 9, 2017
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In Naruto's case, the author's said that the Naruto world is meant to be racially diverse despite everyone having Japanese names and cultural customs. According to him, Naruto & Sakura are Caucasian while Hinata and Sasuke are Asian.

And then there's most of the Cloud Village who are obviously meant to be black.

It's not quite as pronounced as One Piece's cast, but they're supposed to be relatively diverse, yeah.
 

Kalentan

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Oct 25, 2017
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He's given two quotes on it. I can't find the other one but here's one where he commented on what race should play what for Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura:



It's from one of his many interviews.

Ultimately kind of vague since you could assume he would assume that they would likely white wash them to an extent. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
 

Lunar Wolf

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Nov 6, 2017
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Ultimately kind of vague since you could assume he would assume that they would likely white wash them to an extent. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Good point. It could be interpreted that way.

But at the very least, he sees Sasuke more soldily Asian than Naruto/Sakura even though it may be because he has a more typical Japanese look than Naruto & Sakura do.

It's not quite as pronounced as One Piece's cast, but they're supposed to be relatively diverse, yeah.

From what I remember, Luffy is meant to be Latino, Usopp is black, Zoro is Japanese while Nami, Sanji, Robin and Franky are white.

I can't remember Brook.
 

Imperfected

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From what I remember, Luffy is meant to be Latino, Usopp is black, Zoro is Japanese while Nami, Sanji, Robin and Franky are white.

I can't remember Brook.

I remember the mangaka actually getting somewhat specific with nationalities (Luffy was Brazilian, I think?), but that's more or less the gist, yeah.

Also Chopper is, of course, a reindeer.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Can you elaborate on the stateless part? I also read that to the Japanese, they see the characters as japanese
but that commercials so f*cked
It's called Mukokuseki. It's the ultimate "I don't see color (but all the 'color-less' features are caucasian)" defense.

Also super weird that this thread is devolving into "the west never colonized China," talk, when this thread is explicitly about Japan's beauty standards

Edit: Like you cant tell someone to learn about East Asian beauty standards, and then lump the unique experience of Japan vs China into a neat little package.