Well, if it's more powerful than the Series S and games are optimized for that, but not the One X, I'll be a little annoyed.
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Why did Microsoft discontinued the Xbox One X when the console has a significant amount of power compared to the Xbox One S?
- Thread starter Derktron
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Well, if it's more powerful than the Series S and games are optimized for that, but not the One X, I'll be a little annoyed.
Yes they are still going to keep making the One S.
Microsoft said only the Xbox One X and Xbox One SAD Edition were stopping production.
There's shortages of PS4 and PS4 Pro all over the place, and rumors are that Sony has scaled back production in order to ramp up for the PS5. Demand is still there, especially with GoT selling so well. Wouldn't surprise me if manufacturing and supply lines played a big role in the discontinuation of the XB1X.
Despite things improving in China, COVID is still impacting manufacturing.
What version of the One is more popular, i was watching Digital Foundry's impressions of the THPS demo and i had forgotten how MS launched a machine not even capable of HD gaming this gen, made me wonder which version was more popular.
XSS replacing the X was from a cost perspective
S will be 'cheapest' way to get into xbox consoles just as 360 slim continued to sell in targeted markets when the One was released
But could it run games that were 30fps at 60fps?
And if series S can't do that, there is zero point to the system.
From what I understand, sales of the mid-generation refresh versions of both the PS4 and the Xbox One accounted for about 20% of new console sales after they launched.
So, maybe, 10% of the units of Xbox One sold were Xbox One X over the lifetime of the product?
Someone with sales knowledge can correct me if they know better.
I imagine because the Series S will retail for the same price as the One X was sold at, so they'd rather just people buy the Series S when it comes out, and they're probably fine with the 3 month gap where there is only one model of the original Xbox One to buy
That's a kind way of putting it
No one in their right mind would run RT on a polaris based machine
And to answer the topic they're discontinuing it because it serves absolutely no purpose anymore for MS.
It's confusing already, even without Xbox One X.
Now there's gonna be Xbox One S, Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X.
Naming wise, it's almost Wii U level of confusion. Fortunately the new Xbox Series X looks completey different.
Now MS needs to unveil the design for the Series S.
The series s is focused on providing a 1080 1440p solution for next-gen games not that it can't output 4K. Considering Halo infinite is a crossgen title there's no reason to expect it won't be 4K series s.
Honestly, the One/One S is an HD console just towards the lower end.
720 is still considered HD. And it had alot of games at 900p, some at 1080p
Pricing delema. MS needs series S to be substantially cheaper than PS5D but at the same time they can't have a last gen console costing very close to their next gen box. Removing XB1X is the only solution.
The One X doesn't have the hardware to legitimately attempt RT, but then even the XsX really doesn't close the door there without major performance trade offs. Even per MS' own principle architect RT is basically an added layer of fidelity for most devs building for next gen.
Which makes sense. Nvidia is well ahead of AMD on RT hardware and the only way even their high end cards can reasonably do RT with 4K60 is to fake it with some level of DLSS (which is undeniably impressive).
Only pointing this out because people shouldn't get so hung up on RT as some kind of game changer. We're getting bigger game changers with next gen in storage speed, CPU capability, and truly current gen feature sets for GPUs (whereas last gen we got two consoles that were a generation behind the full GPU package, not just TFLOPS).
To answer the OP:
The Xbox One X was made to play Xbox One games at something north of 1080p, and outputting to support 4K TVs.
The Xbox One S is basically that in reverse, its the Xbox Series X with the raw GPU pixel power decreased to meet 1080p/1440p.
Microsoft isn't going to be making Xbox One games for much longer and the One X has never and will never meet economies of scale needed to meaningfully reduce its build costs. It was a boutique item from the start.
If you have a 1080p TV the XsS is a better buy: it will output better games in every way than what the One X can do on a 1080p TV.
If you have a 4K TV the XsX is a better buy since: it will output better games in every way by an even greater margin than what the One X can do on a 4K TV.
The Xbox One S meanwhile is a very viable platform for global markets where the new line is economically non-viable, and as an entry to XCloud/Game Pass.
This is microsoft attempting to cover all meaningful market angles. They follow Sony's lead in using their previous generation as a springboard into developing markets, they have the XsS for people who are content with 1080p or are looking for a more cost conscious system who won't mind a budget 4K TV up-scaling, and they have a high end.
Its about the broadest approach to the market we've ever seen someone shoot for. The real questions to me are:
1. is this too much noise for consumers to sort out v. Sony's much cleaner "both equal, one with a drive and one without" method
2. how strongly will Sony's market presence/loyalty tilt the scales regardless of MS' diverse offerings.
Yeah, people kept getting fussy about the Halo RT update coming later, and I always took that as AMD's side of things just wasn't ready. But we also just don't know exactly how AMD's approach to ray tracing is going to perform on its dedicated hardware. But I generally agree that it's probably not worth pinning hopes on RT to define the visuals for the upcoming console generation.
At this point, knowing it's had a troubled development cycle, even before Covid hit, I wouldn't be surprised if they debut it again and it's only for the Series S and X.
yep I'd imagine it's this as well, they want the Xbox One they keep around to be cheap & it's likely easier for them to slice the price of the One S (when they eventually do) lower than they could have gotten the One X
Which is why I brought up the fact that that Xbox only sold 17K consoles total in July according to NPD. To put that number in perspective the PS4 sold 150k and the Switch did 340k.
I think they should go all in on next gen production. If you're Sony it makes sense to keep producing PS4s (albeit a lot fewer) and if you're Nintendo you don't have a next gen console, but Microsoft has no business making any Xbox Ones.
This.
why manufacture your premium current gen console, when you budget Next gen console is vastly superior?
All that needs to be said.
The One S still has a market for people looking for the cheapest possible thing to play Madden on.
The One X has no market if the Series S and X are on sale.
To me, one of the main reasons is its confusing with their next-gen console name and the fact that the Series X will replace it as "The Most Powerful Console in the World" making its existence obsolete.
Except if they were offering some form of cloud based streaming service where the quality of the service would be greatly improved with some basic level of hardware "floor" they could count on to process inflow/outflow of data, giving the X One S new life as its cost approaches the $100 range where it can compete directly with things like Rokus and FireTVs.
I wonder if the continuation of the Xbox One S line means MS has something like that in the pipe...
SSD is a big improvement over HDD. CPU is massively better too.
S just would be a better experience in any case. Also supports nextgen games.
Oh, this is my bad, I misread your other post. You're right, there's no reason to buy a 1S once the Series S is available unless it's like $99.
Echoing others, it's because the Series S will be taking its place. Additionally, they probably don't have much wiggle room on cost to maintain some profitability, so dropping the price would be meaningless, when they can sell the Series S at a similar price point + additional power. On top of all that, in phasing out a piece of hardware, it means you can wind down many other components outside of manufacturing that will save additional overhead. Having 4 consoles on the market at one time, with two of them being close in price (but not in power) would be a pretty bad move.
Is the Series S predicted to be as good or better than the X1X in every case? Or will there be any circumstances where X1X would run a game better? Like for instance any Xbox One games that run in 4K on the X1X but wouldn't on Series S?
The entire idea is continue to support all Xbox One consoles. There is no such thing as an Xbox One X-only game - only Xbox One games (Which run on the Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox One X).
The Series S will replace the XBO X in the lineup and the Xbox One S will stick around for the very low end.
Yes. But it is targeting 1080p/1440p, not 4K. Which is a good thing with its specs. It can put its power to use on other things.
The console is on its way out. By continuing to support they mean continue for the next couple years. No reason to keep making them. They'd rather people move to Xbox Series S.
One strategy that ms could employ is to have the One S as a xcloud machine and it could serve as a stop gap till they get a proper xcloud only box ready.
Doubt Series S will be doing ray tracing that was always a shotty rumor at best. Budget shoppers who purchase a Series S will not care about that stuff anyway. Series X is what you need if you want ray tracing in a console.
Do we now expect the Series S to have a disc drive? I never thought it would.
If the Series S can't do ray tracing at 1080p then it does not need to exist. The Xbox One X could do all the heavy lifting in 1080p for years to come and let the Series X do the 3rd party next gen stuffs
If the Series S can't do ray tracing at 1080p then it does not need to exist. The Xbox One X could do all the heavy lifting in 1080p for years to come and let the Series X do the 3rd party next gen stuffs
X1X replaced by XSS
Prevent confusion of which X is best... I expect the the 1S to be discontinued once the XSS is released
Prevent confusion of which X is best... I expect the the 1S to be discontinued once the XSS is released
The One S is cheaper to build, can be sold at lower mass market prices, and widens the performance upgrade if they decide to get a Series X or S, or whatever else is new at the moment later on. It's not hard.
Really?
Its old tech. Both consoles leap frogged past RDNA 1 to 2; Zen is new vs Jaguar; SSD, especially NVMe are different than mechanical hard drives...
Its old tech.
There is just 1 case where X could have advantage over XBSS - resolution. X has more memory, bandwidth and compute power.
Framerate will be more stable on XBSS anyway due much better CPU.
Do we have some kind of confirmation it won't have a disc drive?
It probably wont buy I think it should as not every existing Xbox customer will get a Series X some will bite on the Series S and need to be able to play their disc for BC.