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Why did George Lucas allow this, in the fight between Anakin and Obi-wan?
- Thread starter Dankir
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He wanted to make ROTS the most disappointing prequel and he succeeded which is mighty impressive when you consider how awful TPM and AOTC are.
I never noticed this. Haha makes the TLJ even worse for me now.
Though the Clone Wars had some damn good fights.
No, TROS should settle that point. There is spoiler/informed speculation to that point but there are specific threads for that.
Riffing on the point of why they are fighting is why the TLJ saber action (all the action in TLJ really) ranks at the very bottom of the series. Everything after the bisecting of Snoke right up to Kylo's proposal is superfluous in the plot. You can cut the guard fight entirely and lose nothing from the story. It's the least impactful of saber action of the entire series.
People... this is just how the Star Wars universe works.
(I seriously love this more every time I see it).
This is another great example of why slowed-down, zoomed-in, cropped gifs are a terrible way of misrepresenting a scene. Watching this part of the movie in the right aspect ratio at full speed, with the preceding shots included to establish that your eyes are naturally going to be following movement from the right to the left of the screen, and you would never notice the Force Kick:
Hey it's mister projection himself talking about misremembering and self awareness when the very post he quotes clearly shows him not having proper sequence of events.
No matter how much you try to run from, ignore or shift the discussion, words like "quite literally the same dude" and "entire time" have actual meanings you can't bend to your own definitions once you're called out.
But its a new day so let's try a new path. Who is doing better during the first 30 seconds of the fight? Because I'm starting to think Rey killing a guy and stunning the other so fast while Kylo is still just clanging swords with his opponents is somehow proof to you that he's better than Rey cause... she killed him too fast thus isn't fighting two guys at once for as long?
Also can you walk me through how this is finally the deadly focused Kylo we see in the fight, but also how he's SO hyper focused on that one kill he ends up losing his saber and almost getting his head cut off and slipping and falling down and being grabbed and is dead to rights and how this is all a show of how awesome he is or at least could be?
Also, can you explain to me how the fight starting with them both in the exact same mirrored situation taking on 4 dudes a piece and each killing one and ending with them both in the exact same situation of being in the death grip of an enemy only for Rey to slip out and kill her dude and then bail Kylo out is meant to show Kylo's superiority?
Finally can you explain how a movie that goes out of its way to show our two leads as equals and opposite halves, which the director comments on, would think it's important to show Kylo as superior during the fight yet never make mention of it?
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I think the scene shows that they are balanced in the force but Kylo has more skills with weapons/fighting, as evidenced by the more complex move set.
Do we really need essays and gifs to prove this point?
Do we really need essays and gifs to prove this point?
Look at these two cheerleaders swinging those batons!
I always figured this was like the Jedi version of footsies in a fighting game. They both see there's no exploit in the other's movements, so they keep swinging them around until they see an in.
The point is that flashy moves don't equal capability. One's polished. One's scrappy. The point of the scene isn't for the viewer to sit back and awe at how much better Kylo is with a saber than Rey.
Why do you think the fight bookends the way it does?
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No one said that was the POINT of the scene. You think it's a crazy takeaway to come away from that scene thinking one fighter is more skilled than the other?
The baton twirling is literally the first technique you learn with the Broadsword in modern wushu training lmao.
he is not talking about them bot spinning their lightsabers tho
The better question is why didn't Obi-Wan and Yoda both go after the Emperor, who was clearly the biggest threat, and someone they might have taken down had they worked together.
Repeated the same mistake Windu made against him.
Repeated the same mistake Windu made against him.
thats exactly it
but the looping gif has made too much damage to this scene, makes people think they stay like that for a long time, when it is literally a 2 second scene
I always assumed he did that on purpose as a final FU to fans.
This tangent started with Crossing Eden saying something about the point is the visual subtext and how it shows the gap between Kylo and Rey. This is incorrect. If anything the visual subtext of the scene is to reinforce them being equals and opposite halves. It's a glimpse as to what those two halves making a whole would be. Its about them together. Literally the opposite of a gap. They're together briefly and then literally blown apart after the fight.
have you ever seer the first fight between dooku and anakin?
holy shit how people can say something like this is beyond me
I think there's a pretty obvious skill gap and their fighting styles reflect that. Being equals in the force is a different matter completely.
Yea
Imagine thinking that this genuinely matters when we're talking about the context of an ENTIRE scene and the visual information it provides. 😂
This was only one aspect of the subtext that i talked about, that you decided to hone in on, tried very poorly to refute and embarrassed yourself quite a bit doing so.
FFS
That dude's argumentation skills match his ability to parse information from a film. Straight up responding to shit no one actually said in the first place.
Imagine thinking that this genuinely matters when we're talking about the context of an ENTIRE scene and the visual information it provides. 😂
This was only one aspect of the subtext that i talked about, that you decided to hone in on, tried very poorly to refute and embarrassed yourself quite a bit doing so.
FFS
That dude's argumentation skills match his ability to parse information from a film. Straight up responding to shit no one actually said in the first place.
Lol. I'm the one that's been talking about the whole scene. It starts with them mirrored. Ends with them mirrored. Follows up with them mirrored and being blown apart. You're the one hung up on the sole middle part where Kylo is engaging more foes than Rey.
You realize this fight isn't actually that long right? Bringing up Rey in the first bit was to try to get you to understand why Rey was fighting less guys than Kylo in the first place and to see if maybe you'd realize the ebb and flow of the scene starts off with Rey handling her business moves to Kylo doing his, Rey struggles then Kylo struggles then they're both in peril and Rey saves the day.
Imagine thinking this scene is designed to show off a super Kylo when it ends with him on his knees needing to be rescued.
The scene is about team. Together. Not separate. Not gap.
So let's literally ignore the part where they're clearly not equal aka literally the majority of the fight. 🙄
CG fighting never seems to look quite right in terms of weight and gravity for some reason.I never noticed this. Haha makes the TLJ even worse for me now.
Though the Clone Wars had some damn good fights.
I think people are overthinking it. Kylo's style is pure brute force while Rey tends to finesse her way out of tight situations (as evidenced by that slick saber drop). We can't use kill counts as a skill metric since some of those red guys were jobbers. Forearms guy must have had a hell of an insurance policy.
So we have Bragg saying Kylo is polished whereas Rey is tough and scrappy and now we have someone saying Kylo is brute forcing his way through and Rey is the finesse fighter 🤔
i dont undertand how can anyone see the fight and say they equally good at lightsabering, the choreography literally focus on her wild swings and STREET SMARTS (john mulaney's voice) shit.
they may be equally strong, luke even says it earlier in the movie, but they arent at the same level at all regarding fighting/sword skills.
they may be equally strong, luke even says it earlier in the movie, but they arent at the same level at all regarding fighting/sword skills.
I've seen the film a few times and did not watch that scene and feel either had any advantage / was "better" than the other. The takeaway was very clearly to me that they bonded, work well together, and hinted at a cooperative future that was undermined by their actions in "peace time" after the fight.
Anything else you're just going to read into it what you want to
Anything else you're just going to read into it what you want to
I was honestly surprised Lucas didn't change that scene with cg in the dvd release.People... this is just how the Star Wars universe works.
(I seriously love this more every time I see it).
Someone should write an essay analyzing every single movement used in this fight while explaining how exactly Obi Wan managed to get the high ground before Anakin, like I'm sure that there must be some old school catch as catch can wrestling psychology on that match
Kylo is swinging that thing like a claymore. His style communicates power and weight to me, and a little bit of recklessness. Rey looks like she makes up for her relative lack of brute force strength with patience and resourcefulness.
I don't think either one of them looks polished.
Rey being a novice with a lightsaber has been incredibly evident in both films. Kylo is clearly the more experienced one.
It would be pretty ridiculous if she wasn't because she only has had a lightsaber for less than a week
I found the end Lightsaber fight of Revenge interesting for about 4 minutes before it got real boring for me and I tuned out. The whole fight is long and almost masturbatory about lightsabers and what CG effects they were able to accomplish.
So my answer to the title question is, probably because they could do it is why it's in there.
So my answer to the title question is, probably because they could do it is why it's in there.
What gets me about this one is that the shot wouldn't have hit anyway lmaoWould it have helped?
