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Did Palaptine actually order Anakin to kill the younglings?

  • Yes, killing them was part of Palpatine's order.

    Votes: 468 56.7%
  • No, Anakin was supposed to capture them but he was offended by what the kid said.

    Votes: 59 7.2%
  • From my point of view, the younglings are evil!

    Votes: 298 36.1%

  • Total voters
    825

Winston1

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
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In Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine kills Mace Windu and finally makes Anakin his new apprentice. As his new Sith Master, he then gives Anakin his first order: "Go to the Jedi Temple, do what must be done." Now, certainly this meant kill all the Jedi Knights and Masters. No argument there. But what about the younglings? Here me out;

During the Clone Wars, Palpatine had hired a bounty hunter to break into the Jedi Temple and steal a list containing the names and locations of newborn force users, with the intent of kidnapping and brainwashing them to be his assassins and spies trained in the dark side. At the time, his plan was thwarted by Anakin and Ahsoka. After becoming Emperor, however, we see that he finally managed to accomplish his scheme.

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The Inquisitors, shown above, are former Jedi that were captured, tortured, and brainwashed into serving Palpatine and Vader. Now, you might be wondering how that makes sense with the Sith rule saying there can only be two Sith at a time. Basically, the loophole is that there can only be two Sith Lords, the master and the apprentice. They are then allowed to have plenty of dark side underlings serving them. It's how Count Dooku was able to justify having Ventress during the Clone Wars, it's how Palpatine has the Inquisitors during the Imperial era, and how there's an entire Sith planet with thousands of cultists and acolytes in The Rise of Skywalker.

Anyway, getting back to the point, the Inquisitor project is something Palpatine had been working on before the rise of the Empire.

So, we know that Palpatine had the Inquisitor idea planned out well before Order 66 and he specifically said that he was planning to have an army of them. Not only that, but we also know that he had no issue trying to use infants. So why, then, would he have ordered Anakin to kill all the younglings in the Jedi Temple? You'd think that children would be much easier to convert than adult Jedi, and they would take less years to be trained than infants. Killing them seems like a waste of easy Inquisitors and Sith acolytes. Not to mention, he could probably spin it as propaganda, like broadcasting all over Coruscant that the innocent children that were being brainwashed by the treasonous Jedi have been rescued and will be re-educated to serve the Empire, etc.

The theory that I've heard, and is the main argument of this thread, is that Anakin was not supposed to kill them. Rather, he did it because of what that one kid said:

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Earlier in the film, we saw how Anakin was furious that he was granted a seat on the Jedi Council but not granted the rank of Master. Now when he walks into the room with the younglings, the kid happens to address him as "Master Skywalker". This pisses off Anakin, who is extremely mentally unstable right now due to all the personal shit going on for him. Hearing the kid call him a "Master" makes him remember one of his biggest wounds and reminds him of why he hated the Council and the Order. He then goes into a blind rage and decides to shish kabob some younglings.

What do you think? Did Palpatine order Anakin to kill everyone? Or was he supposed to bring back the kids so they could be trained as Inquisitors, but he got so offended by what the kid said that he couldn't help himself?

Basically, was it this kids fault that Anakin killed the younglings?
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djplaeskool

Member
Oct 26, 2017
19,749
Order 66 expressly dictates that ALL Jedi are subject to immediate execution. That includes Jedi-in-training.
He got special instruction from Palpatine, since the order in particular was for the clone army.
Anakin has something of a one-track mind, so... path of least resistance and whatnot.

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My memory of the prequels is fuzzy, but wasn't he like pissed that his mother died, and went on a murderous rampage?
 

VAD

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Oct 28, 2017
5,529
Tune in next week on Disney+ for the exciting new show Star Wars : What Really Happened to the Younglings.
 

Musubi

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
23,611
Palpatine wanted to eradicate the Jedi so of course he is going to want Anakin to kill the young jedi as well.
 
May 15, 2018
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The screenwriter had completely failed to show how Anakin turned evil so to compensate for that flaw and make the audience understand that the guy we have been supposed to root for for 3 movies is now the baddie. The easiest way to show that is by letting him kill some children.(general massacre isn't enough, apparently)
 

YolkFolk

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,212
The North, England
I hate the scene to be honest. Nobody needed to see Darth Vader about to kill a group of 5 year olds. You really can't ever be redeemed from that. Star Wars is a space soap opera and a villain can be dastardly without completing such a vile act.
 
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Winston1

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,105
Order 66 expressly dictates that ALL Jedi are subject to immediate execution. That includes Jedi-in-training.
He got particular instruction from Palpatine, since the order in particular was for the clone army.
Anakin has something of a one-track mind, so... path of least resistance and whatnot.

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But again, not all of the Jedi were executed. Some of them were captured, both during and after Order 66, to become Inquisitors. So clearly Palpatine wasn't planning to kill every Jedi.


As stated, the Rule of 2 doesn't matter cause the loophole is that there can be plenty of dark side underlings just as long as they don't call themselves Sith Lords.
 

Luigi87

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
5,105
That kid is holding a lightsaber, yes? Clearly Anakin was acting in self defense. Get them before he gets got.
 

ConfusingJazz

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Oct 26, 2017
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China
The screenwriter had completely failed to show how Anakin turned evil so to compensate for that flaw and make the audience understand that the guy we have been supposed to root for for 3 movies is now the baddie. The easiest way to show that is by letting him kill some children.(general massacre isn't enough, apparently)

The turn is some real whiplash.

Stopping a coup of a democratically elected leader? I mean, Palpatine was committing treason and all that, but I can see Anakin's point.

Therefore, kill children.
 

Ushojax

Member
Oct 30, 2017
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Because after wasting 2.5 movies George felt he had to make Anakin become a monster in the space of 5 minutes, and the easiest way to do that was to kill a roomful of children (even though he already massacred an entire village in the previous film).

Definitely the worst moment in any Star Wars film for me. Just didn't belong at all. Vader in the OT was a ruthless but stoic figure, not a disgusting wretched murderer of helpless, innocent children. If he was going to become a twisted psychopath it should have been after he wakes up in the suit and learns Padme is dead, not before. But as I said, George just ran out of time to tell the story and had to take massive shortcuts just to get him in the suit by the end of ROTS.

It would have been better if Anakin had tried to save them only for them to be caught and shot by clone troopers, furthering his desire to dispose of Palpatine and install himself as a more benevolent dictator instead.
 
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PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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But again, not all of the Jedi were executed. Some of them were captured, both during and after Order 66, to become Inquisitors. So clearly Palpatine wasn't planning to kill every Jedi.

The Inquisitors are a new creation that wasn't factored in when the Episode III script was written. Simple as that.
 

Hollywood Duo

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Oct 25, 2017
41,956
But again, not all of the Jedi were executed. Some of them were captured, both during and after Order 66, to become Inquisitors. So clearly Palpatine wasn't planning to kill every Jedi.



As stated, the Rule of 2 doesn't matter cause the loophole is that there can be plenty of dark side underlings just as long as they don't call themselves Sith Lords.
You are using stuff that didn't exist when the movie came out. None of that really existed when episode 3 came out.
 

Tavernade

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Sep 18, 2018
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I feel like maybe Palps intended to save them for later but didn't put a ton of effort into it. It's also possible some WERE saved by specialist troops, just in other parts of the temple. You don't want your emotionally disarrayed new follower to suddenly realise he's not special and you have reserves.
 

djplaeskool

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Oct 26, 2017
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But again, not all of the Jedi were executed. Some of them were captured, both during and after Order 66, to become Inquisitors. So clearly Palpatine wasn't planning to kill every Jedi.

I'm guessing there's been some newer contrivances in the canon since EpIII's release.
I always thought Inquisitors were a Sith Empire/Old Republic thing.
 

19thCenturyFox

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Oct 29, 2017
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The Obi Wan series will show that Anakin used the lightsaber to cut a perfectly circular hole into the floor to hide the younglings.
 

Gunny T Highway

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Oct 27, 2017
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Anakin was given the puppy kill test just to show to the audience how evil he had become. Really it is just bad writing and that scene was not needed to convey Anakin had turned.
 

mute

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Oct 25, 2017
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He had to turn into Vader and they only had 30 minutes left :P
 
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Winston1

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Oct 27, 2017
2,105
You are using stuff that didn't exist when the movie came out. None of that really existed when episode 3 came out.
Well yes, of course. Just like why didn't Obi Wan tell Luke that Vader was his father and Leia was his sister in A New Hope. Adding new contrivances/retcons to previous story material is pretty standard with Star Wars (and media in general). This is about re-contextualizing the old story in wake of the new official lore, which mass audiences will soon be introduced to since the Inquistors are apparently gonna be in the Ewan McGregor Obi Wan show.

That kid is holding a lightsaber, yes? Clearly Anakin was acting in self defense. Get them before he gets got.
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Yoshi88

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Oct 26, 2017
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Even non-masters were called masters when spoken to as a general form of adressing a Jedi. You're reading too much into it.
 

Javier23

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Oct 28, 2017
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I hate the scene to be honest. Nobody needed to see Darth Vader about to kill a group of 5 year olds. You really can't ever be redeemed from that. Star Wars is a space soap opera and a villain can be dastardly without completing such a vile act.
I mean, I get where you're coming from, but we had already seen him and his buddies blow up an entire planet, children surely included. This is all dependent on how much you want to think about morality in the Star Wars universe.
 

Cruxist

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,819
I mean, it's called the Youngling Slayer 3000. It would've been tragic if it hadn't been put to that purpose.