Which I don't understand how he can be both when his kid and mentee live like 5 minutes from each other. Not to mention continuation of the bloodline he was so obsessed with avenging.
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Why are relationships like Sasuke/Sakura or Kylo Ren/Rey etc. so popular among girls?
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1. Rian Johnson has nothing to do with this.
2. Reylo was definitely a thing before The Last Jedi.
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One of those characters moved past it.
But I recall us making Kylo drunk force calling Rey jokes for two years.
as somebody who very much liked zutara and reylo, i often like the idea of a romantic bond building out of one initially fraught with tension, if not outright hatred. moreover, I think i enjoy the notion of the heart prevailing over logic, and the idea of a connection between two characters becoming progressively harder to suppress even as their relationship should by all rights be growing worse. it's very darkly romantic.
every single thread everything wrong with the world is rian johnson's fault
like what the fuck am i reading
The Sasuke and Sakura relationship has always been patently ridiculous to me. And I say that as someone who has followed the series ever since I was a kid. Even as a kid I sat there and looked at Sakura fawning over Sasuke and just never understood it. He is just such a class A weapons-grade dick like 90% of time in the series. And yet she still hangs on his every word. Meanwhile you have guys like Naruto who are actually nice to her and she completely ignores them in favor of the guy who is regularly abusive towards her.
Though I will say that the Boruto anime series is doing a really good job of giving him the Vegeta treatment. Taking a guy who was basically pure evil and a monumental dick and turning him into somewhat of a family man.
Though I will say that the Boruto anime series is doing a really good job of giving him the Vegeta treatment. Taking a guy who was basically pure evil and a monumental dick and turning him into somewhat of a family man.
Just spitballing here -- I think it has something to do with vulnerability being a powerful and even sexy thing. Vulnerability from a normally defensive (even offensive) person offers the starkest contrast.
I feel like there's a subtle difference when the roles are reversed. The appeal of the Femme Fatale seems to be less focused on changing the Femme Fatale and more about the Femme Fatale not just having all of the socially unaccepted interests but reveling in them, allowing the protagonist to do all the things that a socially acceptable character wouldn't do. I mean does Batman ever seriously try to help Catwoman reform? Or does he tell her she should reform and when she inevitably goes back to crime he sorts of sighs wistfully and says "oh well, it's just who she is" while remaining completely open to returning to the relationship?
Femme Fatale is used to let the protag play in the taboo without committing to it. Bad Boy is usually used to make the protag seem more special as only they are the one that's able to temper the Bad Boy's ways. In that sense, I feel like the Damsel in Distress is the closer analog to the Bad Boy than the Femme Fatale is.
Depends on the story. But yeah, I see where you're coming from. I can't really think of examples where the male protagonist "reforms" the female character in the same way.
Finn/Rose isn't interracial ? Abrams is so much better by completely abandon her and introducing "randomly" a black woman in her place in IX i'm sure.
I'm now imagining an alternate power rangers where Zordon has the hots for Rita Repulsa and tells the power rangers to try to convince her she's doing bad things.
Ok... so what's the stop the Fin and Rey pairing in TLJ just because some fans saw it that way? Are these fans the ones making the movie? Sure, I'm also a fan and saw it differently, but the way the movie played Fin and Rey in TFA suggests there's something there. It's not some random shit that we made up. There were no hints of romance between Rey and Kylo in TFA. TLJ forced awkward sexual tension between Rey and Kylo...
And it was awkward and badly handled. Just like Rey and Kylo. Need I remind you the minority characters were thrown into some weird side quest.
That mystic water "maybe it can heal you" scene was quite romantic. I actually didn't mind Zutara because it was way more interesting than vanilla Aang Katara relationship.
There was tension and conflict, and Zuko was one of the best written characters in the show so it could've worked in a way. They could have explored Katara's guilt too there for example, etc.
But that speaks a lot about the quality of the writing in ATLA. Most shonen are vastly inferior compared to it.
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I was SO SALTY that it didn't break that way. From what I read, so is Oscar Isaac a little bit.
Oh but they did manage to squeeze in a new woman who's entire character existed only to go "Hey, Poe's not gay. Incase you thought he was..."
in my headcanon he realized the whole thing was not worth it and he probably thinks rebuilding the clan would lead to a repeat (the whole series started leaning too hard on the past repeating itself by the end)
I think there's an allure of loveless characters, or characters who are obstinately against love, and this idea that *you* the viewer can fix them (or some other character can "fix" them through your fantasy).
For instance, April Ludgate in Parks & Rec has much stronger fan following online than Ann Perkins. Ann is beautiful, smart, kind of funny (well.. maybe not..), but April has always had more interest than Ann and i think it's primarily because Ann is so emotionally available in the show, while April isn't. So, not only do more people fixate on April than Ann, but also I think it makes the eventual payoff in relationships better. The payoff of Andy and April is great. But who really gives a shit who Ann is dating from season to season.
I suspect Kylo Ren shipping is similar. He's the dark mysterious character who spurns human connections and emotion, and that seems to naturally draw out people's interest there.
For instance, April Ludgate in Parks & Rec has much stronger fan following online than Ann Perkins. Ann is beautiful, smart, kind of funny (well.. maybe not..), but April has always had more interest than Ann and i think it's primarily because Ann is so emotionally available in the show, while April isn't. So, not only do more people fixate on April than Ann, but also I think it makes the eventual payoff in relationships better. The payoff of Andy and April is great. But who really gives a shit who Ann is dating from season to season.
I suspect Kylo Ren shipping is similar. He's the dark mysterious character who spurns human connections and emotion, and that seems to naturally draw out people's interest there.
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You could do a "shit x say" about literally anything. Not sure what this is supposed to prove.
Shippers in general said plenty of hot takes, that's true but Reylos obsession with "virginity/purity/desire/femininity" and others gender essentialism garbage is a thing to behold and taht I haven't see before.
The characters are fictional, so people can do what they wish, but with how the characters are written the pairings make no sense. The characters are at most friendly with eachother later in the story or they outright hate and try to kill each other throughout the story. I just don't see a character falling in love with another that did all manner of horrible shit to the main character and other people unless there is significant character development and the characters spend A LOT of time with each other.
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I think Yaoi and BL is mainly marketed towards women not necessary to men in the LGBT community. I don't know much about the story telling, but one of the themes like rape and abuse is somewhat common because a lot of women read these stories project their relationship experiences onto the characters' or they relate.
I think it might be similar here. The bad boy characters if you think about it, represent many negative aspects of masculinity broody, showing little emotion, cold, depending on the character violent, etc. Perhaps many viewers(shippers) insert themselves into to the female characters.
I said that it makes little sense, with how the female characters might be written, would never end up with these characters, but I don't really think that is the point. Like what others said it might be more like a power fantasy. Also, the characters usually are physically attractive, so why not ship the female character with hot male character.
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Poe had far more romantic chemistry with Finn than Rey did.
Rey and iInn have mad sibling energy.
Wouldn't Rose/Finn count as interracial? Last time I checked Kelly Marie Tran wasn't of African decent.
A romance filled with tension between two conflicting characters is a lot more exciting than two friends falling for each other. Also, the bad guys in question are often hotter than the good guys. Like, it's not hard to see why people prefer zuko over aang's little bald ass.
Yeah but now they had Leia and Han die without being able to save their son and it pisses me off too.
And Anakin just let his grand son being tortured for decades by palpatine.
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I'm concerned that a bunch of dudes are telling other dudes why women ship bad boys with anyone.
One, only the bad boys in the majority of media have character worth a damn. For example, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Riley Finn vs Spike. Theres a reason the majority of fans hate Riley and it ain't cause he's the good guy.
Second, it's not like we only ship bad guys with women. A lot of slash ships have a troubled soul in them.
Third, who's saying we don't identify with the bad boy?
I could write an entire essay about real life victims, non con fic, h/c and the redemption arc. Its complicated.
Edit: Guys once again, 99.9% of male on male fanfiction is written by straight middle aged women, since I'm see people discount this because it also occurs in slash/yoai
One, only the bad boys in the majority of media have character worth a damn. For example, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Riley Finn vs Spike. Theres a reason the majority of fans hate Riley and it ain't cause he's the good guy.
Second, it's not like we only ship bad guys with women. A lot of slash ships have a troubled soul in them.
Third, who's saying we don't identify with the bad boy?
I could write an entire essay about real life victims, non con fic, h/c and the redemption arc. Its complicated.
Edit: Guys once again, 99.9% of male on male fanfiction is written by straight middle aged women, since I'm see people discount this because it also occurs in slash/yoai
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Let's continue the Skywalker bloodline with the help of the Palpatine bloodline!
Surely nothing could go wrong.
Surely nothing could go wrong.
Middling teenage romance centered around the idea of "I CAN CHANGE HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM!"
It's a revalidation of compromise on the traditionally dominate party done in order to sustain the relationship. They could literally dominate the world, but they chose not to because "their love was greater than their ambition".
It's also usually a terrible pipe dream that leaves both parties miserable. Say what you want about the Sasuke/Sakura stuff, one of the things that Bort gets right is showing just how loveless of a relationship it is.
It's a revalidation of compromise on the traditionally dominate party done in order to sustain the relationship. They could literally dominate the world, but they chose not to because "their love was greater than their ambition".
It's also usually a terrible pipe dream that leaves both parties miserable. Say what you want about the Sasuke/Sakura stuff, one of the things that Bort gets right is showing just how loveless of a relationship it is.
Meh Finn was a clown, maybe if his role didn't get trolled and he was actually a Jedi like in the trailer
I don't know why the bad boy trope in particular is appealing but it's not like the "hot evil woman" is a rare interest in male targeted romance. Or the variant where a woman is less than charitable towards the protagonist initially.
Sometimes the moral and personal complications just make it more intersting.
It's not a 1 to 1 analog obviously but I don't think it's that out there.
Sometimes the moral and personal complications just make it more intersting.
It's not a 1 to 1 analog obviously but I don't think it's that out there.
