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I don't know about Sasuke/Sakura being planned. There's NO WAY Kishi looked at that and said "yeah, I got something here."
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Why are relationships like Sasuke/Sakura or Kylo Ren/Rey etc. so popular among girls?
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well Sakura wasn't even his character until his Editor told him to make her one, no wonder he didn't know what to do with her. She simply didn't belong
Though he definitely planned Naruto and Hinata right at the start ;d
Nah. Too many Naruto and Sakura implications during the series.
I don't buy the whole "red herring" thing either.
Compared to the whole Bleach mess, I'd say it's more planned ... but that might be an unfair comparison since there were a lot of angry shippers with Naruto and Bleach
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Because:
A) Movies decided that only villains get to be sexy and dress good.
And,
B) Most of these sexy (relative to the shippers anyway) villains tend to be glorified. Kylo Ren, despite his evilness, is still a thousand times more likable, pitiable and humanised than his real life fascist equivalent would be.
A) Movies decided that only villains get to be sexy and dress good.
And,
B) Most of these sexy (relative to the shippers anyway) villains tend to be glorified. Kylo Ren, despite his evilness, is still a thousand times more likable, pitiable and humanised than his real life fascist equivalent would be.
Looking back I don't think Kishimoto had anything planned.
"Yeah so it's about a orphan ninja with a demon inside him. Also The main villain is an evil princess named Kaguya but I won't introduce or forshadow her until the last 20 chapters out of 700."
Well that was 650? chapters later I don't blame him
Anyway he did plan stuff just made changes on the way, having a Editor definitely helped
Just sucks Kishimoto' can't write romance
My fiancé and I just rewatched Chamber of Secrets, and Draco calling Hermione a mudblood made me realize something. There's SO many fics shipping Draco/Hermione (because of course there are). Yet they conveniently brush aside or ignore that Draco just calls Hermione the wizard n-word regularly in canon.
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I mean, I get the bad boy thing, and I guess a lot of the fics are AUs or whatever, but come on now: it's like shipping a POC with a white supremacist who calls them slurs all the time. That's a whole lot worse than some brooding bad boy being rough around the edges.
It was to a point where Sakura only got parents (unlike almost everyone had a one) because of the Road of Ninja movie because without them she wouldn't have no reason to be there, it's kinda awkward
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Well that was 650? chapters later I don't blame him
Anyway he did plan stuff just made changes on the way, having a Editor definitely helped
Just sucks Kishimoto' can't write romance
I think those were early drafts he discarded.
Sasuke was added because the story wasn't going anywhere so they suggested giving Naruto a rival.
Yeah Draco is a shit head in canon, amazing how fans headcannons can completely change a character.
Reylo was only a "thing" because people will ship what they want.
Seemed clear to me that they were setting up a Fin Rey thing that became one of the many things to get fucked over with the change in directors.
One of the first memes from that movie that I remember was Rey saying "this is my boy friend Fin ... and this is my boy friend's boy friend Poe". It was def a thing were as Reylo was a thing like Zutara.
I mean, Draco changes and becomes more sympathetic and terrified as he gets deeper and way over his head with Death Eater stuff in the last two books. I can understand him changing for the better.
But that doesn't mean he should be shacking up with the person he was calling a wizard slur. Just...come on now.
I scratch my head at Reylos, and even understood the appeal until it was actually acted upon. That gross ass kiss.
But I don't think I've ever seen anyone express that sort of thing toward Sakura and Sasuke.
But I don't think I've ever seen anyone express that sort of thing toward Sakura and Sasuke.
He killed all of her closest friends and then when they had a kid he dipped. This is before abusing the hell out of his future son physically and emotionally.
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In the Cell saga, Bulma even says "you think I've been living with that jerk?"
On the one hand, you're absolutely right.
On the other hand, "tsundere for his own wife and kids" Vegeta is absolutely amazing in DB Super. I love that aspect of his character, and his relationship with Bulma in Super is awesome.
Reylo was a thing by some fans after TFA. People just ignored them until TLJ made a case. And it worked, but then backed off from it.
And TLJ ended with her shutting him out and the potential for another interracial relationship.
Vegeta and Bulma are a horrible example. We like the result now, but the road getting there was messy as hell. Vegeta is basically a villain for the majority of Z.
Let's not forget all the woobification of Snape who was a wizard nazi.
The "so don't judge me, but ..." texts I wake up to some mornings from female friends made me understand how that dynamic works. She read him better than anyone during that time. He's training to be stronger than Goku, injured himself, feels bad for him. Shit happens.
I mean Toriyama doing a character assassination with Yamucha is not good writing. Vegeta and Bulma was forced.
okay yeah, if that was the case I misread the first post. I totally agree that TFA gives no space to Reylo. But the fandom was there it didn´t magically apearred with TLJ.
I was never Finn Rey because I was FinnPoe ride or die, but TFA build them more than it builds Reylo.
Is there a selection bias maybe? And maybe it's not that "girls" like these types of relationships, but "girls that tend to become fans of things" that like them?
Well you got the Sequel Trilogy trio. All platonic hugs there.
Sorry, I meant that it's not in short supply for male-centric media. And you are correct, those are the more popular ships. At least from a writer's perspective. I don't know who male fans like to ship Bruce with. :P
I'm actually serious. I get really bored by a lot of romantic plots in a lot of narratives. Sure you've got some excellently done romances but it just feels like something everyone does because its almost expected.
That was a serious response from me.
I was told Kai doesn't have filler.
What does that word even mean anymore?
I mean filler is anything that wasn't in the source material and the original creator had no involvement with. Kai still has a ton of filler.
Yeah, the way he through his gun down and ran across the battlefield screaming Poe's name.
I agree with you on Reylo, but come on.
Bulma was never the weak damsel that waited around for Vegeta like Sakura did.
She consistently went after Sasuke, but she was still independent and capable woman instead of mopping around wondering when her love will be returned.
They argue 80-90% of the time, how does a relationship like that even work?
Ah. I'm sure there's a few examples. I just couldn't really think of any at the top of my head.
I made a comment like this in reference to evil characters getting be morally complex when they're hot.
I got blocked, quote tweeted, branded as a sexist and dogpiled. Do not fuck with Reylos.
What TLJ did right was the way it handled Reylo. It didn't look at it as some sort of ship but instead brought up a very realistic connection two characters connected by the force would feel and then had both characters move past that.
Then JJ Abrams came back and smashed those toy figures faces together going "NOW KISS!!!". Because I assume the studio expected it would get a positive reaction.
Then JJ Abrams came back and smashed those toy figures faces together going "NOW KISS!!!". Because I assume the studio expected it would get a positive reaction.