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Noctis fighting Titan isn't a pure physical feat. His strength is absolutely derived from bloodline magic in every aspect of combat. That's why he's no different from Lightning. And given his magic also uses his ancestors, I'm inclined to draw the similarity to Lightning forming a giant dimensional light sword from the collective souls of humanity to bring down God. XV even goes out of its way to explain that the bros get their power from Noctis's bloodline magic, enabling them to fight foes that normal humans could never hope to face off against.
Magically imbued strength counts (mako showers are used as an example in the OP) but the friendship sword is literally not a feat of strength, it's a feat of magic. It manifests as a beam of light for goodness sake. Meanwhile Noctis is just using his body and a sword. There are Final Fantasy party members that are faster than Noctis in demonstrated canon but there isn't one that could beat him at the bench press, barring a scene I'm not aware of.
 

cj_iwakura

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The Ghost Train is ten cars long, plus the engine.

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The interior of just one of those cars is several screens long. It's bigger than Diamond Weapon is, and Sabin doesn't need a limit break or any MP to suplex it.
I am pretty sure Diamond Weapon weighs a LOT more than the entire Phantom Train.


That said, Yuffie's more dexterous than Tifa, has to count for something.
 

Laser Ramon

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Tifa suplexing Weapon is a Limit Break. Sabin hits that Suplex on the CASUAL, homeboy doesn't even need MP to hit it.
 

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Definitely not fucking Noctis who gets wiped out after running slightly fast for 10 seconds.
 

Manmademan

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Tifa suplexing Weapon is a Limit Break. Sabin hits that Suplex on the CASUAL, homeboy doesn't even need MP to hit it.

And did it while sprinting faster than a locomotive. He's just on a completely different level.

I am pretty sure Diamond Weapon weighs a LOT more than the entire Phantom Train.

That said, Yuffie's more dexterous than Tifa, has to count for something.

You'd probably lose that bet. From the interior/exterior of the Phantom Train, it looks like those are modeled after the Pullman type coach, a type of railway dining/sleeper/etc car used from the mid 1800s to mid 1900s.


A typical pullman car was roughly 85 feet long. There are 10 cars there, plus the engine. Assume they're all average length, that's about 935 feet, or about the length of a 93 story building if you stood it end to end. If you're from Philadelphia like I am, this is about the height of the Liberty Place or Comcast Center skyscrapers. Assuming Cloud/Tifa/Barrett are all 6 feet tall, you would need to stack 155 of them on top of each other to equal the length/height of the Phantom Train.

Each car is also wide enough that the party can move around freely within it as they would in a fairly large room which is WAY bigger than a pullman car. This is a BIG freaking train.

Diamond Weapon is nowhere near that size. Judging by the height of the party fighting it, it's 100-150 feet tall at best. Diamond Weapon also appears to be made at least somewhat of organic material- the train is not.

But wait, we're not done. The Phantom Train is SPEEDING at the time Sabin picks it up and suplexes it. To pull that off you need to overcome not only the weight of the train, but it's momentum. Or to put it simply, stopping the momentum of a 935 foot train that is speeding at you at 100 mph is a LOT harder than picking up one that's simply standing there- which is what Diamond Weapon is doing.

Any way you slice it, picking up the train is the more difficult feat.
 
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Pretty much any of the Blitzball players in FFX.

They essentially play rugby, underwater, for over ten minutes, without ever coming up for air. Not to mention all the crazy moves they can do, like the one early on where Tidus leaps several feet out of the water then twirls around several times and then bicycle-kicks the ball upside-down in midair. (And that's a move his father pulled off routinely.)

There's also tons of extended underwater sequences in the game (Tidus and Rikku deep-diving into the open ocean near the start; the same plus Wakka escaping Bevelle through a massive water conduit later on, etc) where the people involved are underwater for at least ten minutes while doing extremely physical things like fighting random mobs and bosses along the way.

And again: none of them have gills or anything like that. They literally just hold their breaths for an unrealistic amount of time. It's straight-up superhuman. You can't actually leap out of a body of water like a figure skater doing a quadruple lutz, let alone hold your breath for anywhere near that long. But in FFX people accomplish that and more by just...practicing, by somehow endurance-training their way to impossible heights. You can even see Yuna try this herself in the opening scene of Eternal Calm. That's just how things happen in Spira, I guess.



(Also, you know, Sabin, for that thing. Technically it's a glitch, but the dude looks like he could genuinely pull it off. If 6 ever gets a FF7-R style remake, expect Sabin to suplex that train for real.)
 

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Pretty much any of the Blitzball players in FFX.

They essentially play rugby, underwater, for over ten minutes, without ever coming up for air. Not to mention all the crazy moves they can do, like the one early on where Tidus leaps several feet out of the water then twirls around several times and then bicycle-kicks the ball upside-down in midair. (And that's a move his father pulled off routinely.)

There's also tons of extended underwater sequences in the game (Tidus and Rikku deep-diving into the open ocean near the start; the same plus Wakka escaping Bevelle through a massive water conduit later on, etc) where the people involved are underwater for at least ten minutes while doing extremely physical things like fighting random mobs and bosses along the way.

And again: none of them have gills or anything like that. They literally just hold their breaths for an unrealistic amount of time. It's straight-up superhuman. You can't actually leap out of a body of water like a figure skater doing a quadruple lutz, let alone hold your breath for anywhere near that long. But in FFX people accomplish that and more by just...practicing, by somehow endurance-training their way to impossible heights. You can even see Yuna try this herself in the opening scene of Eternal Calm. That's just how things happen in Spira, I guess.



(Also, you know, Sabin, for that thing. Technically it's a glitch, but the dude looks like he could genuinely pull it off. If 6 ever gets a FF7-R style remake, expect Sabin to suplex that train for real.)

Tidus was my #2 for that reason. The stuff Blitzball players do shouldn't really be possible at all. Also consider that Wakka can easily murder fiends by throwing what is standard sports equipment at them that everyone else needs heavy weaponry for.

As for Sabin- yeah, the dude is extremely diesel. It's hard to tell from his sprite (due to the chibi thing) or even the amano artwork, but he's intended to be more physically powerful than Vargas, the other apprentice that trained under Duncan and Vargas looks like this:

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TOTALLY shredded.
 

cj_iwakura

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And did it while sprinting faster than a locomotive. He's just on a completely different level.



You'd probably lose that bet. From the interior/exterior of the Phantom Train, it looks like those are modeled after the Pullman type coach, a type of railway dining/sleeper/etc car used from the mid 1800s to mid 1900s.


A typical pullman car was roughly 85 feet long. There are 10 cars there, plus the engine. Assume they're all average length, that's about 935 feet, or about the length of a 93 story building if you stood it end to end. If you're from Philadelphia like I am, this is about the height of the Liberty Place or Comcast Center skyscrapers. Assuming Cloud/Tifa/Barrett are all 6 feet tall, you would need to stack 155 of them on top of each other to equal the length/height of the Phantom Train.

Each car is also wide enough that the party can move around freely within it as they would in a fairly large room which is WAY bigger than a pullman car. This is a BIG freaking train.

Diamond Weapon is nowhere near that size. Judging by the height of the party fighting it, it's 100-150 feet tall at best. Diamond Weapon also appears to be made at least somewhat of organic material- the train is not.

But wait, we're not done. The Phantom Train is SPEEDING at the time Sabin picks it up and suplexes it. To pull that off you need to overcome not only the weight of the train, but it's momentum. Or to put it simply, stopping the momentum of a 935 foot train that is speeding at you at 100 mph is a LOT harder than picking up one that's simply standing there- which is what Diamond Weapon is doing.

Any way you slice it, picking up the train is the more difficult feat.
True, but the Diamond Weapon is also a biological creature, while the train is mostly hollow.

Also, Tifa isn't the monster that Sabin is.
 

Manmademan

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True, but the Diamond Weapon is also a biological creature, while the train is mostly hollow.

Also, Tifa isn't the monster that Sabin is.

Train cars aren't really any more "hollow" than your car is. Yeah, there's passenger space but everything else in there from wheels to axles to fixtures, to environmental stuff is very, very heavy. When I was googling around for specs on a pullman car, I came across this question:

Our Museum roster lists weights of many of our cars, and heavyweight Pullman cars were just that, HEAVY. A quick scan shows most in the range of 130,000 to 180,000 lbs although one tips the scales at 211,000 lbs!

Most fall in the range of 150K - 170K. Probably not much help but maybe a starting point for you.

Bob Kutella


An empty coach car at 150,000 pounds is about 75 tons. Note that this is only slightly less weight than the MAXIMUM takeoff weight of a Boeing 737


That doesn't include the weight of whatever the engine itself is. So just the "empty" cars on the phantom train if they were the size of empty pullman cars (and we know they're bigger than this from the interior shots) would have weighed 750 tons.
 
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for a 60yo galuf is pretty fit

keeps up with all the jobs the younguns do
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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people literally calculating train weights and shit while it was clearly just a game mechanic not meant to be taken seriously
 

Manmademan

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people literally calculating train weights and shit while it was clearly just a game mechanic not meant to be taken seriously

Already addressed- Sabin also supports a mansion and keeps it from collapsing in the narrative, not just gameplay. The strength is still consistent.

Besides, we're all stuck inside. It's a pandemic. What else is there to do.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Already addressed- Sabin also supports a mansion and keeps it from collapsing in the narrative, not just gameplay. The strength is still consistent.

Besides, we're all stuck inside. It's a pandemic. What else is there to do.

People literally showing Tifa flipping one of the weapons. That shit would never be shown in a cutscene nor any kind of adaptation because its just a silly thing you can do as a move ingame.
 

residentgrigo

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Tifa is superhero strong though:


This is 1930s Superman stuff! FF characters are like that. Some of them can canonically lift mountains and look up what Lightning does in FF XIII-3.

And there are no physics. You wanna drive on the ceiling? Go ahead:


AC Complete is and always was a good film. I don´t get how anyone who is into the OG game can´t like it.
 
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TwinBahamut

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Noctis's feats when fighting Titan really are not a clear case of raw strength. Noctis is a guy who fights with weird royal space sword magic. Anything he does with a weapon is sword magic, not raw power, since his weapons are a vessel for his magic powers. Parrying Titan's punches is better explained as magical repulsion rather than raw physical might.

Also, Noctis struggles to land big fish and complains whenever Gladio wakes him up early for a light run. He hates eating healthy and spends most of his time loafing in the back seat of a car. He is not fitter than "years of ascetic training and wrestling bears in the mountains" Sabin.

I also feel like the Warrior of Light from FFXIV deserves at least a mention. The number of physical feats he/she has accomplished is pretty impressive, even if feats like "cracking open Omega's indestructible armored shell with quick jabs from bare hands" is harder to measure than Sabin's raw lifting power.
 

residentgrigo

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We may all be underestimating Tidus with all these feats for pure strength. He can swim like a dolphin and water resistance is nothing to him:
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Something to consider.
 
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Suplexing a train is a quirky and funny mechanical interaction.

Noctis canonically parries a living mountain.

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I know Gladiolus looks buffer but Noctis is many times stronger than him going by the game's lore and I think he's probably the strongest Final Fantasy main party member if you only consider feats that are explicitly canon.

Holy shit. This is true.

Noctis got this, easily. I have never seen any other FF character demonstrating such massive strength.
 

Zen

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Magically imbued strength counts (mako showers are used as an example in the OP) but the friendship sword is literally not a feat of strength, it's a feat of magic. It manifests as a beam of light for goodness sake. Meanwhile Noctis is just using his body and a sword. There are Final Fantasy party members that are faster than Noctis in demonstrated canon but there isn't one that could beat him at the bench press, barring a scene I'm not aware of.
Who are you to say Lightning didn't use her agility to amplify the attack? That's the problem with trying to apply any logic to this contest. The only one that works is seeing who's the most swole. Other than that the characters are as strong as the plot needs them to be in that moment. That's why Godbert is the winner. His character is intended to play off that trope.
 

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He sadly died on the way to his home planet:
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Thank you FF X´s EU.

We don't talk about this

Magically imbued strength counts (mako showers are used as an example in the OP) but the friendship sword is literally not a feat of strength, it's a feat of magic. It manifests as a beam of light for goodness sake. Meanwhile Noctis is just using his body and a sword. There are Final Fantasy party members that are faster than Noctis in demonstrated canon but there isn't one that could beat him at the bench press, barring a scene I'm not aware of.

We know Noctis' abilities are magically imbued though. The game straight up says so. His power comes from being of the bloodline of kings, and the reason his companions can pull off similar feats to him in combat is because he "loans" some of that power to them through association.

He's not physically fit, that's just the enchantment that comes from being of the royal bloodline. This is different than someone who just trains to get where they are- and there's a bunch of these.

Of the FFXV crew, only Gladio seems to be someone who is "physically fit" in the way the OP means- but he's not pulling off any crazy stunts because of it.
 
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Laser Ramon

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People literally showing Tifa flipping one of the weapons. That shit would never be shown in a cutscene nor any kind of adaptation because its just a silly thing you can do as a move ingame.
Did you see the shit these characters pull off in Advent Children? This shit is canon. You got lvl 99 in your name and don't acknowledge its power, smh
 
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But wait, we're not done. The Phantom Train is SPEEDING at the time Sabin picks it up and suplexes it. To pull that off you need to overcome not only the weight of the train, but it's momentum. Or to put it simply, stopping the momentum of a 935 foot train that is speeding at you at 100 mph is a LOT harder than picking up one that's simply standing there- which is what Diamond Weapon is doing.

Any way you slice it, picking up the train is the more difficult feat.

Naw. Speed is relative. Sabin isn't stopping the momentum since he's moving with it.
Also, VII's models are disproportionate. Diamond is much bigger than he appears in battle. You need only look at his size compared to Shinra Tower in the FMV.
Looking at XV, he's about 30 stories tall, and much thicker than Doomtrain.
 

residentgrigo

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You say that Manmademan but the book and the audio drama were written by:
finalfantasy.fandom.com

Kazushige Nojima

Kazushige Nojima (野島 一成, Nojima Kazushige?) (born January 20, 1964, in Sapporo, Hokkaido) was the main scenario writer for several Final Fantasy games. He is also the lyricist for several Final Fantasy songs. Kazushige Nojima left Square Enix in October 2003 and started his own freelance...
A man who takes WILD swings. His latest work FF VII-1. Which may explain certain things but we have a thread for that. Always read the credits boys and girls.
Especially before you buy things.

Was anyone crazy strong in the half-finished TV anime by the kings of schlock Gonzo? Or is it just a parade of shitty kids and an emo Vincent clone who dresses like Cap Harlock? Even I had to quit that nonsense fast. What I mean, as no one remembers this fuck up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy:_Unlimited
lf

So much uff.
 

Manmademan

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Naw. Speed is relative. Sabin isn't stopping the momentum since he's moving with it.

Sabin is running AWAY from the train, turns around, flies TOWARDS it to grab it, taking it straight up. They're moving in opposite directions at that point. Sabin has to stop the forward momentum of the train for that to happen.

Also, VII's models are disproportionate. Diamond is much bigger than he appears in battle. You need only look at his size compared to Shinra Tower in the FMV.
Looking at XV, he's about 30 stories tall, and much thicker than Doomtrain.

XV isn't VII though, can't use that. And "thick" doesn't matter since the Phantom Train is a dense machine, not an organic lifeform.
Also, Doomtrain was that thing in FFVIII. Phantom Train was FFVI.
 
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Sabin is running AWAY from the train, turns around, flies TOWARDS it to grab it, taking it straight up. They're moving in opposite directions at that point. Sabin has to stop the forward momentum of the train for that to happen.

XV isn't VII though, can't use that. And "thick" doesn't matter since the Phantom Train is a dense machine, not an organic lifeform.
Also, Doomtrain was that thing in FFVIII. Phantom Train was FFVI.

Speed is relative. Sabin is still moving backwards down the track at high speeds.
Relatively speaking, to a viewer watching the battle zip past, he simply turned around and slowed down, so that the gap closed at his normal attack speed.
It's the same as walking towards an unmoving target in any normal battle.

Also thickness matters a lot. Trains have a lot of empty space. If it was solid, it'd be a good 3 times more massive.
Though you're right. Will have to wait for the remake version of Diamond to get a canonical size for that.
 

Manmademan

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Speed is relative. Sabin is still moving backwards down the track at high speeds.
Relatively speaking, to a viewer watching the battle zip past, he simply turned around and slowed down, so that the gap closed at his normal attack speed.
It's the same as walking towards an unmoving target in any normal battle.

Also thickness matters a lot. Trains have a lot of empty space. If it was solid, it'd be a good 3 times more massive.
Though you're right. Will have to wait for the remake version of Diamond to get a canonical size for that.

We'll have to agree to disagree on stopping a speeding train being "just like walking towards a non moving target." Not going to agree there.

As for the "empty space" argument i already addressed it. An empty Pullman cab is 75 tons. They weigh as much as fully loaded 737 Jets.

Those things are extremely heavy...and the Phantom Train is substantially bigger than a pullman, especially if that crazy FFXIV video is meant to be an indicator of how big it was.
 
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We'll have to agree to disagree on stopping a speeding train being "just like walking towards a non moving target." Not going to agree there.

As for the "empty space" argument i already addressed it. An empty Pullman cab is 75 tons. They weigh as much as fully loaded 737 Jets.

Those things are extremely heavy...and the Phantom Train is substantially bigger than a pullman, especially if that crazy FFXIV video is meant to be an indicator of how big it was.

He didn't stop a moving train though. They are both moving at the same speed, and the train keeps moving afterwards.

Right. It's still very heavy. That's not disputed. But it'd be a lot heavier if it was solid. And objects get exponentially heavier the more volume they have.
A blue whale can weigh upwards of 160 tons, and Diamond weapon is much larger.
Going by his XV size, he's about 100m tall, which would put him in the ball park of 60,000 tons.
 

Manmademan

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He didn't stop a moving train though. They are both moving at the same speed, and the train keeps moving afterwards.

Right. It's still very heavy. That's not disputed. But it'd be a lot heavier if it was solid. And objects get exponentially heavier the more volume they have.

It IS solid. the passenger space doesn't invalidate the extremely dense undercarriage on those things.

A blue whale can weigh upwards of 160 tons, and Diamond weapon is much larger.
Going by his XV size, he's about 100m tall, which would put him in the ball park of 60,000 tons.

your math is bad. A blue whale is usually 80 feet long (25m) and "up to" 160 tons for an adult. I'm not sure how you scale up to 60,000 tons going from 25 meters to 100m. Doesn't make any sense. Diamond Weapon would have to have the volume of nearly 400 blue whales for that to be accurate, and that's not happening. NO version of it is that massive.

We also aren't using the XV version of that thing, since that's not the one tifa ends up fighting. It's "inspired by," not the same entity- just as the Phantom Train in XIV isn't applicable.

A blue whale is exactly the same length as a pullman cab is, and usually isn't as heavy despite the cabs being WAY smaller volume wise. Whales go from 110-300k pounds.

A small pullman is 150k pounds. a large one is 200k. The cabs on the phantom train are MUCH larger than a pullman by volume, and there are ten cabs PLUS the engine. Being extremely conservative, just the "empty" cabs are 150k x 10= 1.5 million pounds, or 750 tons. This excludes the engine. Engines can vary, but the biggest one I could find with a search is an additional 1.2 million pounds, or 600 tons.

RailGiants Train Museum | Union Pacific Big Boy #4014

Donated by Union Pacific Railroad in December 1961, locomotive number 4014 was the most famous locomotive in RailGiants Train Museum’s impressive display of locomotives during its 52 years here. Union Pacific No. 4014 is a Big Boy class steam locomotive having a 4-8-8-4 wheel arrangement.

The FFVII Diamond weapon is flat out not that large.
 
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It IS solid. the passenger space doesn't invalidate the extremely dense undercarriage on those things.



your math is bad. A blue whale is usually 80 feet long (25m) and "up to" 160 tons for an adult. I'm not sure how you scale up to 60,000 tons going from 25 meters to 100m. Doesn't make any sense. Diamond Weapon would have to have the volume of nearly 400 blue whales for that to be accurate, and that's not happening. NO version of it is that massive.

We also aren't using the XV version of that thing, since that's not the one tifa ends up fighting. It's "inspired by," not the same entity- just as the Phantom Train in XIV isn't applicable.

A blue whale is exactly the same length as a pullman cab is, and usually isn't as heavy despite the cabs being WAY smaller volume wise. Whales go from 110-300k pounds.

A small pullman is 150k pounds. a large one is 200k. The cabs on the phantom train are MUCH larger than a pullman by volume, and there are ten cabs PLUS the engine. Being extremely conservative, just the "empty" cabs are 150k x 10= 1.5 million pounds, or 750 tons. This excludes the engine. Engines can vary, but the biggest one I could find with a search is an additional 1.2 million pounds, or 600 tons.

RailGiants Train Museum | Union Pacific Big Boy #4014

Donated by Union Pacific Railroad in December 1961, locomotive number 4014 was the most famous locomotive in RailGiants Train Museum’s impressive display of locomotives during its 52 years here. Union Pacific No. 4014 is a Big Boy class steam locomotive having a 4-8-8-4 wheel arrangement.

The FFVII Diamond weapon is flat out not that large.

No. It is not solid. Having a dense undercarriage doesn't change the fact that the car is largely hollow.
Things get exponentially heavier as they get larger. A 100m blue whale would weigh 64 times as much as a 25m blue whale. Things generally get about 8 times heavier every time they double in height.
So a 100m blue whale would be about 10,250 tons.
Diamond is a lot wider compared to its height than a blue whale. I could see it clocking 17,000 tons.
There. I did actual math instead of just borrowing the weight of same heighted monsters from official Godzilla sources lol.
Even if he's only 50m he'd still be over 2,000 tons.
This is again, assuming he's made out of normal biological material and not something denser.
 

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You say that Manmademan but the book and the audio drama were written by:
finalfantasy.fandom.com

Kazushige Nojima

Kazushige Nojima (野島 一成, Nojima Kazushige?) (born January 20, 1964, in Sapporo, Hokkaido) was the main scenario writer for several Final Fantasy games. He is also the lyricist for several Final Fantasy songs. Kazushige Nojima left Square Enix in October 2003 and started his own freelance...
Was anyone crazy strong in the half-finished TV anime by the kings of schlock Gonzo? Or is it just a parade of shitty kids and an emo Vincent clone who dresses like Cap Harlock? Even I had to quit that nonsense fast. What I mean, as no one remembers this fuck up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy:_Unlimited
lf

So much uff.
LOL, the main characters of that show are about as OP as it gets. They're literally "Unlimited," beings whose power surpass all reason or limitation. They annihilate entire landscapes and make it look easy, before turning around to fight immortal antimatter gods (or at least the autonomous body parts of such). And the main villain is the kind of being that has already destroyed and consumed countless worlds of a vast multiverse. But the powerful characters are all summoners, and rarely get caught up in physical brawls, so it isn't very applicable to this thread.

I wish that show didn't get caught up in the stupid Ocean Puzzle arc and get cancelled. Or better yet, actually went with the original concept where the two kids were from a fantasy world and knew how to fight, rather than be two helpless kids from real world Japan. It had some fun ideas and could have been great. It was certainly a lot better than Legend of the Crystals.

Anyways, back on topic.

I see a lot of people bring up Tidus and the physical insanity of Blitzball, but remember that it wasn't either the first or most extreme example of superhuman swimming in the series. That prize belongs to Sabin and the Serpent Trench.

Seriously, Sabin gets stuck on a remote continent far from home where there isn't even a boat, so he just decides to swim back. Across an ocean between widely separated continents. More than that, he decides to swim the entire distance by following a deep ocean current through an undersea trench at the sea floor. While carrying a middle-aged man in heavy armor and a teenage kid (though to be honest Gau probably swims like a fish). And he does so with only a single rusty dive helmet that doesn't even have an attached oxygen tank.

If Sabin ever ended up in Spira, everyone would want him on their Blitzball team.
 

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The FF XI and especially XIV protagonists (warriors of light) are also of note. Running marathons and power diving can´t be underestimated.
The whole game is basically a workout befitting of Sabin:
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Zack would proud of all the digital squats you can do.
 

Zen

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The FF XI and especially XIV protagonists (warriors of light) are also of note. Running marathons and power diving can´t be underestimated.
The whole game is basically a workout befitting of Sabin:
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Zack would proud of all the digital squats you can do.
I don't think XIV!WoL really qualifies for the same reason Sabin's suplex and Tifa's meteor drive and Zell's world lap don't necessarily count. Gameplay and story separation and such.