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John Doe

Avenger
Jan 24, 2018
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A lot of people here assuming that climate change will have been long resolved by then I see.

A few hopeful shouts about space travel as well.

The fact that we have the technology to record people and deeds better doesn't matter. A lot of people nowadays don't recognise important figures from 40/50 years ago. Peoples' importance fades over time. If some famous figures can't endure a few decades, why would they remember 1000 years from now?
 

The Archon

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
1,883
They conquered a huge swath of the planet and helped shape western civilization. those 3 you named all did huge things in that empire. what will they say of American presidents? "Well trump said he grabs women by the pussy and he built this shitty little wall that people were upset about." "Obama passed healthcare reform. it was okay I guess but far behind other western powers of the time."
Well yes indeed, none of the world leaders I mentioned are in the same league. But it feels, like modern society has evolved so fast, that major milestones feel diluted when we try to look at it as if it were historical context. However thos could be an effect of overexposure to information through the internet.
 

SirNinja

One Winged Slayer
Member
Keanu Reeves. He should be celebrating his >1500th birthday around that time

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Zom

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Oct 25, 2017
1,192
I guess it depends on the state of the world in 1000 years, if there's still a civilization anything like today, I'm guessing many world figures will be remembered, but if for some reason a lot of data and knowledge has been lost, could be none.
 

jerf

Member
Nov 1, 2017
6,246
I really don't see this planet taking another thousand years of our shit. So I am going to go with nothing and no one.
 

elLOaSTy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,860
Unless we do something about the ugly ass Mount Rushmore I would say...

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln.

This garbo will outlast humanity.
 

ConfusingJazz

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Oct 26, 2017
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China
Not a whole hell of a lot. I think most people will skip this part in history. Of the last 100 years, people might know about World War II and the moon landing. Other than that, meh.

The Roman Empire is no longer, yet Julius Caesar, Augustus and Nero are fairly recognized individuals to the average individual.

I would be willing to bet that the majority of people will know about Julius Caesar, but most wouldn't know about Augustus nor Nero. And when I say about, I mean just be able to identify them as Roman.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
39,212
well you gotta consider that we have different methods of documentation now. More lasting documentation lets say.

And actually contrary to my own post i gotta say there is quite alot of documentation for quite alot of people considering those times and the lack of longevity of their methods.. we might be more remembered than i thought

Yeah for sure we have more opportunity for lasting documentation than someone from 1000 years ago.

Along that line though something I'm always consistently reminded of when I read new history is just how many more people we've forgotten than remembered. Famous people even.

So right now I'm reading a new history book by Steve Inskeep, called Imperfect Union, it's really terrific set around 1840-1860 about a person in history that I may have known about in passing but ultimately knew nothing of -- John C. Fremont. Fremont was, as Inskeep describes, without a doubt the most famous person in America in those years and one of the most famous people in the world certainly the most famous American. And yet he's a person mostly forgotten from history popularly. He was an explorer primarily but also was the first candidate to run for the Republican party in 1856, and him and his wifeJessie Fremont were arguably the most famous couple in the euro-american world. Most people today probably wouldn't really know who he is, although you'd recognize things named after him, famously Fremont St in Las Vegas (the old strip), Fremont California, and virtually every town, city, mountain, and natural feature named "Fremont" west of the Mississippi. And yet he's a person who was ultimately inconsequential, and captures nine of the popular imagination compared to, say, Lincoln, Davis or even flashes in the historical pan like John Brown (a person who became more famous over time despite being far less famous than Fremont in his day).

I'm struck by how many people are so we'll known in their times and yet utterly forgotten in popular imagination, even in an age of documentation and moveable type. Another is William Jennings Bryan who was arguably the most well known politician in America in the last 1800s, and yet he's effectively forgotten from history. More people know him from Inherit the Wind, where he's the bad guy, than from his long history as one of America's first progressives and one of the inspirations of what would become socialism. Historians and those interested in history know Bryan but how many average people do?

Now this isn't a challenge of "do you know Fremont or Bryan?!" But more so, just recognizing how hard it is to guess who will be preserved in the historical popular imagination. It's a fun thought exercise.
 

Addi

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Oct 25, 2017
4,297
Assuming no apocalypse or erase of records, more people than you think. One reason we don't remember many people from 1020 is because at least in the West they did not keep that many accurate records that last to this day. Right now I have access to a biography of more than enough people and events that in the grand scheme of things maybe are not so important via Wikipedia.

Yeah, I was going to point that out, it's really not an apt comparison for us to look back a thousand years (I guess William the conqueror is the only one I can think off right now). It was the dark ages, people like painters and artists didn't really have a name, but then a couple hundred years later, you'll find tons of artists people know the name of today. It's not because it's closer to us, it's because the culture a thousand years ago didn't value art the same way we do. It was just some artisanal thing munks did. Picasso will not be forgotten soon for instance.
 

Aureon

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Oct 27, 2017
2,819
Challenge: name someone who you're 100% sure was alive in 1020.

Like...... I have a pretty good grasp of history and historical figures, I can name lots of people who existed at some point between like 500 and 1200........ But I'm not sure I could confidently name a person who I'm *sure* was alive exactly 1000 years ago in 1020. If I go through the names of every person born between 1000-1020, I know very few of them. Like Pope Leo but... Throw a rock and you hit 15 pope Leo's.
Yeah, maybe Macbeth.

To be fair, the 1000s were shitty for history, though.

I got a shitton of people in the 0000s - Starting up from the absolutely obvious, Augustus
(Imma leave Jesus outta this due to shaky historical dating)

So my pick for the living is Xi Jinping. I don't see him leaving before another twenty years or so, and he will be a mark in history as the hegemon during China's ascendency (and\or eventual great crash)

Backup picks are great thinkers with lasting influence: Socrates, Plato and Aristotle are probably the oldest "extremely common" known great names.

For the living, the field is too crowded.
But go back a few and you get pretty safe picks:

Einstein (Relativity will be teached for a long-ass time.)
Oppenheimer (I'll be damned if nuclear weapons aren't a talking point for a few hundred years)
Tesla (Eccentric personality will keep playwrights in recycling his character for eternity. Also has a SI named after him)
Armstrong\Gagarin - if they get something major named after them

Would you consider Celsius or fahrenheit as well-known today? If so, Ohm \ Ampere \ Planck stand a good shot.
 

Aureon

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Oct 27, 2017
2,819
Not a whole hell of a lot. I think most people will skip this part in history. Of the last 100 years, people might know about World War II and the moon landing. Other than that, meh.
Yeah, no.
The last 100 years is the biggest population expansion in the history of humanity, BY FAR.
The world arguably changed more from 1920 to 2020 than from 0000 to 1920.

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800s and 900s are passing down in history, technology-side. I'm not sure if they will political-side, but probably not.
 

Kay

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
2,077
Probably almost nobody, when the global internet goes away due to environmental collapse there will be few written sources that historians will even be able to use.
 

mattiewheels

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Oct 27, 2017
5,111
I'm always wondering how artistic figures will pan out in the far flung future, since the nature of art and what we consider important about it change so drastically so quickly. I was just watching a doc about photography that made you realize it wasn't considered art worthy of a gallery for a while after it dawned, makes you wonder how much the nature of art will bend in 1000 years.
 

Dogo Mojo

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,179
Gates and Jobs will probably last with our continued focus around technology, maybe Some musical artists although I'm not familiar enough with most modern music to say who will last as long as bands like the Beatles have, I'm not even sure the Beatles will last as long as many classical composers have.
 

cnorwood

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Oct 28, 2017
3,345
No one, at some point people will realize that any human, individually, is worthless. Even so called "great men" of history. Hopefully at that point a worldview is more obvious
 

viciouskillersquirrel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Challenge: name someone who you're 100% sure was alive in 1020.

Like...... I have a pretty good grasp of history and historical figures, I can name lots of people who existed at some point between like 500 and 1200........ But I'm not sure I could confidently name a person who I'm *sure* was alive exactly 1000 years ago in 1020. If I go through the names of every person born between 1000-1020, I know very few of them. Like Pope Leo but... Throw a rock and you hit 15 pope Leo's.
Specifically 1020 AD is difficult, but from English history relating to the Norman Conquest I can name:

William the Conqueror
Harold Godwinson
Harold Hardradr (sp?)
Edward the Confessor
Aethelred the Unready (May have died just prior I forget)
Cnut the Great

So that's seven people involved in one event that would later turn out to be a turning point in world history thanks to the UK being the nexus of the later industrial revolution.

There are other people whose names I'd recognise if I saw them and others still from earlier and later centuries who made a splash in European history (Duns Scotus, Bede, Charlemagne, El Cid, Occam, Eleanor of Aquitaine, Averroes, Al Ghazirm, Alexios the Great etc) plus others from the Middle East and China who at least get name recognition even if I'm shaky on the timeline.

I think a thousand years is enough time that the average person won't remember much, but historians will still be arguing about people like LBJ, Deng Xiaoping and Mikhail Gorbachev 1000 years from today and anyone who takes an interest in history will at least recognise the names.
 

Aaronrules380

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
22,570
Yeah, maybe Macbeth.

To be fair, the 1000s were shitty for history, though.

I got a shitton of people in the 0000s - Starting up from the absolutely obvious, Augustus
(Imma leave Jesus outta this due to shaky historical dating)

So my pick for the living is Xi Jinping. I don't see him leaving before another twenty years or so, and he will be a mark in history as the hegemon during China's ascendency (and\or eventual great crash)

Backup picks are great thinkers with lasting influence: Socrates, Plato and Aristotle are probably the oldest "extremely common" known great names.

For the living, the field is too crowded.
But go back a few and you get pretty safe picks:

Einstein (Relativity will be teached for a long-ass time.)
Oppenheimer (I'll be damned if nuclear weapons aren't a talking point for a few hundred years)
Tesla (Eccentric personality will keep playwrights in recycling his character for eternity. Also has a SI named after him)
Armstrong\Gagarin - if they get something major named after them

Would you consider Celsius or fahrenheit as well-known today? If so, Ohm \ Ampere \ Planck stand a good shot.
Yeah this is a decent list. I totally agree that of all the world leader's right now, Xi is best positioned to leave a lasting impact on history due to the length of his rule and China's current global status. I'd also add that I wouldn't be shocked if some writers/directors end up enduring in a similar vein to people like shakespeare, but predicting which ones will endure the test of time and changing cultural norms and values is up in the air. Like I could see Star Wars (and by extension George Lucas) still being a thing centuries from now, but I could also see them fading into obscurity as tech evolves and the 20th century conception of science fiction maybe doesn't resonate with people the same way.

This is of course talking about people well known enough that a relatively average lay person might reasonably be expected to know about them. Obviously people in very specific fields will probably know a lot more names of people relevant to their specific areas of expertise, and the fact that record keeping is way better now means a lot of people will be remembered in very niche circumstances, but it'll also likely be harder for many to stand out amongst the sea of names
 

Therion

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Oct 25, 2017
1,117
No one. Assuming the world continues to progress at its accelerating pace, no one will care at all about the current period 1000 from now. If in the interim we get reset or significantly slowed down by some traumatic event, the people surrounding that event will be remembered, not us.
 

Aureon

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah this is a decent list. I totally agree that of all the world leader's right now, Xi is best positioned to leave a lasting impact on history due to the length of his rule and China's current global status. I'd also add that I wouldn't be shocked if some writers/directors end up enduring in a similar vein to people like shakespeare, but predicting which ones will endure the test of time and changing cultural norms and values is up in the air. Like I could see Star Wars (and by extension George Lucas) still being a thing centuries from now, but I could also see them fading into obscurity as tech evolves and the 20th century conception of science fiction maybe doesn't resonate with people the same way.

This is of course talking about people well known enough that a relatively average lay person might reasonably be expected to know about them. Obviously people in very specific fields will probably know a lot more names of people relevant to their specific areas of expertise, and the fact that record keeping is way better now means a lot of people will be remembered in very niche circumstances, but it'll also likely be harder for many to stand out amongst the sea of names
Yeah, i'll easily bet at least one current-era artist is going to be remembered, but which is an absolute crapshoot

Tolkien, Lucas, Spielberg stand decent shots - and by decent, i mean 0.1-1%

Also, Trump has a shot if he refuses to stand down and triggers a civil war, as a infamous footnote, IF the USA lasts another 300 or 400 years.

Hitler really doesn't. I can't draw much comparable figures, but the only war figures remembered are empire builders - which he was not.
 

Zippedpinhead

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think the biggest difference between the people we know 1000 years ago and 500 years ago, is that history, records and documents are much, MUCH more plentiful and easier to make than literally any other time in history.

we maY not be able to rattle off many from this century, but certain people sure will get taught in classes
 

Aureon

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,819
Specifically 1020 AD is difficult, but from English history relating to the Norman Conquest I can name:

William the Conqueror
Harold Godwinson
Harold Hardradr (sp?)
Edward the Confessor
Aethelred the Unready (May have died just prior I forget)
Cnut the Great

So that's seven people involved in one event that would later turn out to be a turning point in world history thanks to the UK being the nexus of the later industrial revolution.

There are other people whose names I'd recognise if I saw them and others still from earlier and later centuries who made a splash in European history (Duns Scotus, Bede, Charlemagne, El Cid, Occam, Eleanor of Aquitaine, Averroes, Al Ghazirm, Alexios the Great etc) plus others from the Middle East and China who at least get name recognition even if I'm shaky on the timeline.

I think a thousand years is enough time that the average person won't remember much, but historians will still be arguing about people like LBJ, Deng Xiaoping and Mikhail Gorbachev 1000 years from today and anyone who takes an interest in history will at least recognise the names.
IIRC, most of these are misses - at least, William and Godwinson weren't already born, and Aethelred was already dead.
1020 is a shitty lull. Abnormally unimportant decade, honestly.
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
17,070
There's no contemporary person that will be properly remembered a thousand years from now.

Jesus and Muhammad have a chance, assuming the faiths can keep their grip on things.
 

Diablos

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Oct 25, 2017
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Gates
Jobs
Musk

Washington
Lincoln

FDR - only US president to be elected to a 4th term. Presided over a lot of shit, WW2, numerous laws enacted and actions taken over the course of his presidency transforming the nation. I really do think for better or worse FDR is our best president

JFK - superstar president, no other politician really like that beforehand. Plus the assassination.

Reagan - The face of a sea change in US politics, the implications of which are still felt to this day.

Obama - first person of color elected as the leader of what would probably be described as the then-most powerful nation in the world. First president to significantly overhaul the us healthcare system with the goal of universal coverage

Trump (sadly). He will probably take Nixon's place as the evil corrupt shithead president who echoes on over the millennia when US history is taught... until we get someone worse. And we probably will

i don't know if people will care a lot about them per se but they will be taught about their impact
 

The Lord of Cereal

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Jan 9, 2020
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- Hitler, no explanation needed
- Neil Armstrong/Yuri Gagarin - First man on the moon and first man in space to live will likely have many monuments/buildings named after them as time goes on.
- Stephen Sondheim. Many have called him a modern day Shakespeare and many people (mostly pretentious drama majors but I digress) believe that he will have classes dedicated to his work just as we have Shakespeare classes now. Not sure I personally believe this one, but quite a few people more knowledgeable on the subject have said this to me so I have no real reason to deny it.
- Walt Disney: His name is quite possibly forever memorialized in the name of his company, and he really started the big animation boom and his company is everywhere now and likely will be in a 1000 years as well, barring some near world ending disaster/culture shock event that changes our trajectory.
- Henry Ford is attributed to various new ways of economic thinking and also the modernization of mass production. Strong reason to believe his name will still be taught in schools for centuries to come.




I feel like the history from the world between 1020 and 2020 looks a whole lot different than the world between 2020 and 3020. For one, we have much better recording of facts and information, much easier communication and also many more people with lots of reach. In say the 1500's, there was no one telling the King of England that he couldn't wage war against the countries near him for power, but today we have corporations that will try to avoid the war at all costs, and much better communication to avoid world ending wars
 

EloKa

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Oct 25, 2017
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From the last ~100 years:

Hitler: well, you know him.
Einstein: theory of relativity will still be important to humanity like the theorem of pythagoras
Nietzsche: shaped modern philosophy and cultural critic
Zuse: inventor of the computer
Disney: defined most of our modern entertainment

The question would be easier if we would include the 1800s-1900s or have an even bigger time period.
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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Yeah, i'll easily bet at least one current-era artist is going to be remembered, but which is an absolute crapshoot

Tolkien, Lucas, Spielberg stand decent shots - and by decent, i mean 0.1-1%

Also, Trump has a shot if he refuses to stand down and triggers a civil war, as a infamous footnote, IF the USA lasts another 300 or 400 years.

Hitler really doesn't. I can't draw much comparable figures, but the only war figures remembered are empire builders - which he was not.

Hitler I think will be remembered as arguably the last modern attempt to build a "traditional" empire built on war and conquest. Modern superpowers are more focused on securing and protecting corporate power structures and engaging in proxy wars, but Hitler was the last large scale attempt to pull off genuine world conquest through direct warfare. As well, World War 2 undoubtedly changed the dynamic of the global world in ways we are still feeling today and probably will for centuries, and I think Hitler will be remembered as a major player in that. He's also just got a cult of personality that still, unfortunately, commands legions of loyal followers to this day. History likes to remember nothing more than egomaniac conquerors.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Also worth mentioning that it is likely that the average person in the middle ages probably knew jack shit about Roman Emperors, so it comes down to historians and how global powers of the future use history for their own advantage trying to build a relationship or distance themselves from figures of the past.

Someone like Henry Ford or Nelson Mandela could be virtually lost to history for hundreds of years to later reapperar as one of the most famous historical fugues depending on how a future society decides to re-brand their past.

It isn't a fully "organic" process, but one that is manipulated.
 
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fr0st

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Oct 28, 2017
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Yeah, I can't picture any 1900+ President being remembered. JFK will be a historical curiosity at best. Same with Obama.

Trump will probably be completely forgotten about except by history diehards if he only gets one term.
I'd say FDR or Truman cause the first use of the amotic bombs will forever be linked to them.
 

Tyaren

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Oct 25, 2017
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From the last ~100 years:

Hitler: well, you know him.
Einstein: theory of relativity will still be important to humanity like the theorem of pythagoras
Nietzsche: shaped modern philosophy and cultural critic
Zuse: inventor of the computer
Disney: defined most of our modern entertainment

I see a strong German theme there. ;)

I feel Einstein and Hitler seem to be the most (in)famous and influential people in their fields in the last 100 years. I can see them being remembered far into the future.