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Who were your favourite new playable PlayStation character this gen? *SPOILERS*

Aloy

  • Jin Sakai

    Votes: 142 14.6%

  • Deacon St John

    Votes: 31 3.2%

  • Abby

    Votes: 254 26.1%

  • Aloy

    Votes: 348 35.8%

  • Knack

    Votes: 57 5.9%

  • Astro Bot

    Votes: 120 12.3%

  • Sir Galahad

    Votes: 21 2.2%
  • Total voters
    973
Jaded Photographer

Jaded Photographer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,911
I had to choose between Abby and Aloy...I don't like that decision making. I voted Abby, but Aloy and Abby are my joint favorites. Also where are Yuna and Lady Masako on this list?
 
Creamium

Creamium

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,692
Belgium
This constant TLG shade in these best of polls... smh. It's Trico

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Y2Kev

Y2Kev

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,839
How could anyone not put Trico? I mean especially over the putrid shit that is Deacon St. John. I refuse to believe there are people that would rather spent 40 seconds in a room with Deacon vs. a blinking LED that I stuck a post-it note on that said "Astro bot."
 
Veelk

Veelk

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,705
Melchiah said:
Let's put it this way, the nature of the character wouldn't feel out of place, if it was exchanged to a typical male one. Or alternatively, from the top of my head, don't you think a character like Chandler in Friends has more feminine qualities than Joey?

What I'd really like to see in games, and popular culture in general, is strong effeminate male (or MTF) characters, similar to the LBGT ones in Star Trek Discovery, but I guess we aren't there yet. In that sense, TLOU2 was a disappointment, as it once again reinforced the appeal of masculinity in leading characters, and I also wished the trans character would have been a strong MTF one for once.

Speaking of which, I just looked at the definitions for effeminate, and I think it speaks volumes.

Not to mention, that virile is a synonym to masculine, and its antonyms are effeminate, unmanly, impotent.

As for the strikingly opposite definitions of masculinity...


But we're going widely off-topic here.
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All that and you still haven't explained why Abby isn't feminine.

All your doing is pushing some stupid ass gender essentialism bullshit.


Anyway, any vote that isn't for Abby is factually, objectively incorrect. Especially if that vote instead goes to Galahad.
 
Morrigan

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
34,317
Aldro said:
Also where's Atreus?
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Nobody likes Atreus

Melchiah said:
Are you seriously suggesting, that Abby doesn't have stereotypical masculine qualities, that go beyond her appearance? You can't be so blind, that you haven't seen how femininity is seen as a negative trait in the popular culture, and how masculinity is put on a pedestal. Feminine male characters are always either weak or freaks; comic reliefs at best, psychopaths at worst. Never heroes. From that perspective, TLOU2 doesn't break any new ground, but only follows the usual line of course.
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Melchiah said:
Let's put it this way, the nature of the character wouldn't feel out of place, if it was exchanged to a typical male one. Or alternatively, from the top of my head, don't you think a character like Chandler in Friends has more feminine qualities than Joey?
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...There's a couple of things wrong here.

You are right that (traditional) femininity is often seen as a negative trait and masculinity, a positive trait. But on the other hand, you're swinging too hard in the other direction, which is to reinforce gender roles (bad) and diminish gender-non-conforming people/characters (worse). You are basically projecting those gender-conforming attributes on the characters themselves, ironically.

Worse, by saying things such as that Abby could be replaced by a typical male character, you're basically erasing representation that is meaningful to a lot of women (including myself, who relate to Abby in many ways). Also, saying TLoU2 doesn't "break any new ground" is kind of shitty, considering the milestones the game reached for AAA gaming (openly gay protagonist, major trans character who isn't the butt of a joke, muscular female protagonist with a male love interest). Lots of women and LGBTQ players found meaningful representation in TLoU2, who are you as a cis-man to take that away from them?

I think you mean well, and wanting greater diversity of representation in terms of gender expression is a good thing, as is wanting to see femininity get represented across a broader spectrum. But wanting effeminate male characters or "traditionally" feminine characters (who aren't harmful stereotypes) doesn't mean there is no room for what you perceive to be "masculine" heroines, nor should it mean that it's accurate to even call those heroines as "masculine".
Frankly, saying you could replace Abby with a man is really insulting and reinforces harmful notions of what it means to be a woman or feminine. Especially since you struggle to explain how Abby is not feminine to begin with.

In other words:
Veelk said:
All that and you still haven't explained why Abby isn't feminine.

All your doing is pushing some stupid ass gender essentialism bullshit.
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Pretty much.
 
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Cordy

Cordy

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Oct 25, 2017
15,326
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Aloy is definitely number one. She's super dope.

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Jin quickly became the second. He's a great character.
 
Kinthey

Kinthey

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
22,275
I'm a bit surprised at the Jin love. I'm about halfway through the game and he still feels like a bore. Maybe he shows more depth down the road.
 
Conditional-Pancakes

Conditional-Pancakes

The GIFs of Us
Member
Jun 25, 2020
10,830
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Morrigan said:
You are right that (traditional) femininity is often seen as a negative trait and masculinity, a positive trait. But on the other hand, you're swinging too hard in the other direction, which is to reinforce gender roles (bad) and diminish gender-non-conforming people/characters (worse). You are basically projecting those gender-conforming attributes on the characters themselves, ironically.

Worse, by saying things such as that Abby could be replaced by a typical male character, you're basically erasing representation that is meaningful to a lot of women (including myself, who relate to Abby in many ways). Also, saying TLoU2 doesn't "break any new ground" is kind of shitty, considering the milestones the game reached (openly gay protagonist, major trans character who isn't the butt of a joke, muscular female protagonist with a male love interest). Lots of women and LGBTQ players found meaningful representation in TLoU2, who are you as a cis-man to take that away from them?

I think you mean well, and wanting greater diversity of representation in terms of gender expression is a good thing, as is wanting to see femininity get represented across a broader spectrum. But wanting effeminate male characters or "traditionally" feminine characters (who aren't harmful stereotypes) doesn't mean there is no room for what you perceive to be "masculine" heroines, nor should it mean that it's accurate to even call those heroines as "masculine".
Frankly, saying you could replace Abby with a man is really insulting and reinforces harmful notions of what it means to be a woman or feminine. Especially since you struggle to explain how Abby is not feminine to begin with.
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Thanks so much for that!!!
 
Good4Squat

Good4Squat

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Nov 2, 2017
3,148
Kinthey said:
I'm a bit surprised at the Jin love. I'm about halfway through the game and he still feels like a bore. Maybe he shows more depth down the road.
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He really grew on me, I felt they did a great job at developing him in subtle ways throughout the game, and by the end I was totally invested in his fight.
 
WhovianGamer

WhovianGamer

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,033
Voted for Aloy but Deacon was a great close second. I really felt for the guy and would have made similar choices or reacted the same as him given the circumstances.
 
ItchyTasty

ItchyTasty

Member
Feb 3, 2019
5,907
Aloy! It's cool that we got a leading lady in such a big game, plus she also has one of my favorite new designs.

I also gotta give love to Abby! ND knows how to make likable characters, even when you expect to hate them
 
Veelk

Veelk

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,705
Morrigan said:
Hah, I'm just being facetious, I don't hate Atreus, but does he really have a big fandom/following? I kinda doubt it. (Probably more than the Order dude though lol)
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He does among the God of War stans, but I think this poll is (wisely) just counting playable characters, so he can go kick rocks until he's old enough to be moved by a left thumbstick.
 
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