Both are iconic characters and their control schemes are not difficult. You can still play them like you would any other character.
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Who was the biggest waste of a slot with Smash Bros. DLC.
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All of them, because they didn't add who I want and I'm the most important fella in the world.
Do better next time Nintendo.
/s if it wasn't obvious
Do better next time Nintendo.
/s if it wasn't obvious
I had to google Byleth and I own Three Houses lol. Didn't know people hate Piranha Plant until now.
You really can't, though.
Kaz has more moves that can only be used with special inputs. And Terry? One example is your up special doesn't go as high unless you use his classic command inputs. That's kind of shitty.
For the record, I'm just here for discussion sake. Personally I love all of the DLC characters. These are just my 2 least favorites. But don't be an ass because I'm answering the question posed in the OP/Title of the thread...
And this comment has big "You don't like my 'merica? Then leave" energy...
if you don't like my emotional support himbo who speaks in broken English, then
i dunno you're fine, smash cut threads make me choose violence
Metroid dread sold 2.9m units by March, which puts it significantly ahead of any of the xenoblades we have numbers for. Unless 3 significantly outperforms, it'll stay that way too. Metroid Dread is probably going to end up ahead of any Fire Emblem too, for that matter.
Anyway, it's Byleth. It's not specifically about the character, but more that Fire Emblem had far too many characters over a short period. From Smash 4 to the end of Ultimate DLC, it went from 2 characters in Brawl (Marth and Ike) to 6 with 4 + DLC to 8 in Ultimate, all over the space of about 5 years. They had no business putting Byleth as what was at the time planned to be the last DLC character over someone from ARMS or basically any other franchise.
Edelgard probably wouldn't have been chosen, and a lance or bow based character would have been way more unique than an axe in smash, which is a weapon that's effectively already used exactly like a sword in the way that several heavy characters already do in the game. There would have been a ton of backlash because it was about it being another FE character, and picking one of the lords wouldn't have changed that. And picking any of them guarantees 2/3rds of the playerbase didn't get their favourite and hates it. Byleth was always the only actual choice if you had to have someone from Three Houses.
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The only waste is acting as though "wasted slots" are a thing that exist. They don't. That line of thinking is flawed and selfish from the start and really just comes down to naming the character(s) that don't cater specifically to the person complaining about "wasted slots."
For example, Byleth was probably the most disappointing DLC fighter for me personally but that doesn't mean her "slot" was "wasted" -- she made plenty of Fire Emblem: Three Houses fans happy, which is a win for those people, served to cross-promote Fire Emblem: Three Houses in Smash, which is a win for Nintendo (something most folks here probably don't care about but at the end of the day, from Nintendo's perspective Smash does exist to make as much money and drive as many sales of represented games as possible), and the stage + music that came with her were great, which is a win for the rest of us who don't necessarily care about Byleth herself but just love Smash in general.
And hey, she ended up being a lot of fun to play and meaningfully different from all the other FE characters mechanically. Still don't care about her from a character perspective but damn if I don't enjoy playing her on occasion!
For example, Byleth was probably the most disappointing DLC fighter for me personally but that doesn't mean her "slot" was "wasted" -- she made plenty of Fire Emblem: Three Houses fans happy, which is a win for those people, served to cross-promote Fire Emblem: Three Houses in Smash, which is a win for Nintendo (something most folks here probably don't care about but at the end of the day, from Nintendo's perspective Smash does exist to make as much money and drive as many sales of represented games as possible), and the stage + music that came with her were great, which is a win for the rest of us who don't necessarily care about Byleth herself but just love Smash in general.
And hey, she ended up being a lot of fun to play and meaningfully different from all the other FE characters mechanically. Still don't care about her from a character perspective but damn if I don't enjoy playing her on occasion!
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Why isn't this a problem with the Pokémon starters they keep picking?
Piranha Plant should have been Koopa Troopa, because it's legacy of being the first normal enemy of Mario featured in a spin-off as a normal character, Super Mario Kart. At least as far as I know.
In a more "serious" note, I really dislike Steve, but technically is a good character, so my opinion doesn't matter.
In a more "serious" note, I really dislike Steve, but technically is a good character, so my opinion doesn't matter.
The crossover element is both a blessing and a curse. Should these be original characters there probably wouldn't be the narrative of "slots" or "character X taking the place of character Y" as they'd all just be new additions without the expectation of it being a known/pre-existing face. Surely the movesets would still have their fair share of discussion, not sure if any would be considered a "waste" though.
Then again the whole crossover thing IS what Smash is all about and especially the newer fighters are built heavily source material in mind. I agree that the Fire Emblem representation is a bit excessive, but Piranha Plant is just something quirky they decided to add, it didn't take the place of anyone else. I can see being disappointed in some characters, but I can't see them being wastes.
Then again the whole crossover thing IS what Smash is all about and especially the newer fighters are built heavily source material in mind. I agree that the Fire Emblem representation is a bit excessive, but Piranha Plant is just something quirky they decided to add, it didn't take the place of anyone else. I can see being disappointed in some characters, but I can't see them being wastes.
The difference in reception is because Pokémon got 1 new character in ultimate, and 1 in smash 4.
Fire emblem got 3 in smash 4 and 2 in ultimate.
And it's not like incineroar was particularly popular as the final announcement of the base game other than Piranha plant either
Byleth? The teacher gave us a stage and amazing music. Meanwhile Corrin only brought hate and six renditions of the same theme
I was glad to see someone make this right after the announcement
First FP2 announcement:
"byleth ... 2!"
They'll never see it coming.
Sakurai's face should be replaced with the ResetEra logo. Those tears were delicious. XD
No, what I'm saying is that they could have decided between any of the 3 Lords instead of Byleth. After all Sakurai had no problem picking Greninja before X&Y were released, and he picked Incineroar out of the 3 Alolan starters. So he absolutely could have picked one of the 3 Lords you pick between in Three Houses.
Idk about wasted, but personally I thought piranha plant was an interesting character. I haven't played all of the dlc characters though
Huh? What do you mean starters?
Smash 1 gave us Pikachu and Jigglypuff, both non starters
Smash 2 gave us Pichu and Mewtwo, both non starters
Smash 3 gave us Lucario, a non starter, and Pokemon Trainer, a 3 in 1 combo that were all from a starter family
Smash 4 gave us Greninja, a starter
Smash 5 gave us Inceneroar, a starter
You could argue in either direction that the pokemon selection has more starters than non, but in either arguments, you have to concede there are 5 unique characters that aren't starters.
IMO, Byleth.
Byleth turned me off the game entirely and made me tune out completely from the volume 2 DLC characters.
I'm not a fan of Three Houses, not a fan of Fire Emblem, and not a fan of silent protagonists in general, so Byleth had a lot going against them in my eyes.
If we include non-Nintendo characters, Sephiroth. I remember seeing Sephiroth and thought it was for sure a joke, because it was so ridiculous and stupid, but here we are. I hope the people who were excited for those characters enjoy them, at least!
Byleth turned me off the game entirely and made me tune out completely from the volume 2 DLC characters.
I'm not a fan of Three Houses, not a fan of Fire Emblem, and not a fan of silent protagonists in general, so Byleth had a lot going against them in my eyes.
If we include non-Nintendo characters, Sephiroth. I remember seeing Sephiroth and thought it was for sure a joke, because it was so ridiculous and stupid, but here we are. I hope the people who were excited for those characters enjoy them, at least!
See my post above, I was referring to Incineroar and Greninja. Players have 3 starters to pick between in the main games. Three Houses offered you…well, three houses to pick from. I was just saying that just like Sakurai was picking a Pokémon from the 3 starters, he could have picked a lord as well.
Ahh that make sense.
My only comment is I thought Gamefreak picked who made it into Smash? I thought they sent concept over to Sakurai before the Pokemon games even came out for Greninja.
Plant was practically a base roster character in practice.
Imagine if there was no second season and Byleth was the last DLC character. You would have never heard the end of it.
this tho
Imagine if there was no second season and Byleth was the last DLC character. You would have never heard the end of it.
this tho
The thing is, even when they do pick a starter, they're not really characters, so it's not the same as is the case with three houses, where people have far deeper connections to whichever their favourite lord happens to be, it would be far more divisive and leave people more pissed off.
Like, people here are convinced it'd have been Edelgard, when the odds are significantly likely that wouldn't be the case given the decision was made pre Three houses launch, and Edelgard didn't even originally get a full route, with it only being tacked on later in development and being significantly shorter than the others. She wasn't even originally intended to be playable at all for the second half of the game when they conceived it, the realistic answer is you would have ended up with Dimitri or Claude instead. And if you think the reaction to Byleth was bad, a bunch of people would have been apocalyptic here that their favourite warmongering slaughterer didn't get chosen.
Bold of you to assume I have a soul.
I don't think Luigi was the only clone of the original Smash. Jigglypuff was at the time more Kirby than non-Kirby.
Once more, for the people in the back.
Would you like me to make a "most underappreciated DLC character?" thread?
RogersBase and ScorchedBacon, among several others.
I don't agree with the logic of a wasted slot, but for the sake of the thread ill contribute, and ill say banjo
But ONLY because of his moveset/knockback ability/combo and damage percent game
Literally EVERYONE ELSE on both fighter passes are amazing if not great, and then there is him, who just feels like a worse Snake/Shiek combo
He wants to be strong but he cant do that properly, he wants to combo with certain moves like Nair, but also can't do that properly. Side smash sucks, he has no kind of spike, only a dair that takes him out and his presentation really felt like Sakurai was like "i have not played this game so it is what it is"
The only amazing tool he has is also on a limited time use, and you can just block it and it does like no shield damage
None of the other fighter pass 1/2 characters have these issues, they are all amazing if not highly sought in comp scene
You have to do SO much with him, that it's just not worth to me, might as well play snake at that point
This is NOT worth of a "DLC" character at all, he should've been in the base roster, not someone i have to pay for
But ONLY because of his moveset/knockback ability/combo and damage percent game
Literally EVERYONE ELSE on both fighter passes are amazing if not great, and then there is him, who just feels like a worse Snake/Shiek combo
He wants to be strong but he cant do that properly, he wants to combo with certain moves like Nair, but also can't do that properly. Side smash sucks, he has no kind of spike, only a dair that takes him out and his presentation really felt like Sakurai was like "i have not played this game so it is what it is"
The only amazing tool he has is also on a limited time use, and you can just block it and it does like no shield damage
None of the other fighter pass 1/2 characters have these issues, they are all amazing if not highly sought in comp scene
You have to do SO much with him, that it's just not worth to me, might as well play snake at that point
This is NOT worth of a "DLC" character at all, he should've been in the base roster, not someone i have to pay for
Piranha Plant - Should've been base roster, personally would've went with Paper Mario or Waluigi or Geno if you want to take from Mario franchise so badly
Joker - Definitely a UNEXPECTED HUH WOW pick and it worked AMAZINGLY WELL, I could see arguments for this one
Hero - Honestly shouldn't have taken this long for DQ to be represented in a Nintendo Franchise like this, also unique mechanic
Banjo - Already said my thoughts
Terry - You can tell that THIS was Sakurai's personal pick from how he spoke about the character/franchise with passion, let the man put his dream character(s) in the game, not dissing on KoF or saying it doesnt belong mind you, not to mention unique mechanic
Byleth - I got nothing for this one, going to assume he was throwing JPN fans a bone like he did Banjo for US fans, if so thats fair
Min Min - Unique Playstyle/Concept, plus ARMS and Xeno 2 was originally planned to be in the game anyway, deserved spot
Steve - Extremely unique, from a well known franchise, most likely a business deal but it is what it is, what do i know
Sephiroth - Iconic Villains are ALWAYS welcomed, ESPECIALLY ones that aren't bullshitting around on some not goofy shit (see Ridley)
Pyra/Mythra - See Min Min
Kazuya - Villain (great!), We already got literally the other main fighting games in the series, why not, also a UNEXPECTED HUH WOW pick tbh
Sora - Deserved, no i will not elaborate
Joker - Definitely a UNEXPECTED HUH WOW pick and it worked AMAZINGLY WELL, I could see arguments for this one
Hero - Honestly shouldn't have taken this long for DQ to be represented in a Nintendo Franchise like this, also unique mechanic
Banjo - Already said my thoughts
Terry - You can tell that THIS was Sakurai's personal pick from how he spoke about the character/franchise with passion, let the man put his dream character(s) in the game, not dissing on KoF or saying it doesnt belong mind you, not to mention unique mechanic
Byleth - I got nothing for this one, going to assume he was throwing JPN fans a bone like he did Banjo for US fans, if so thats fair
Min Min - Unique Playstyle/Concept, plus ARMS and Xeno 2 was originally planned to be in the game anyway, deserved spot
Steve - Extremely unique, from a well known franchise, most likely a business deal but it is what it is, what do i know
Sephiroth - Iconic Villains are ALWAYS welcomed, ESPECIALLY ones that aren't bullshitting around on some not goofy shit (see Ridley)
Pyra/Mythra - See Min Min
Kazuya - Villain (great!), We already got literally the other main fighting games in the series, why not, also a UNEXPECTED HUH WOW pick tbh
Sora - Deserved, no i will not elaborate
Byleth is the most fun character to play in the game IMO, so don't any of you DARE come for my sweet boy
