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Who needs cow milk? Milk alternatives have become so good and generally ubiquitous.
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I drink almond milk. Oat milk is good but has a ton of calories. Regular milk at this point just completely grosses me out after so many years of not drinking it.
Oat's the goat but only the chocolate flavoured one. For regular flavour, Soy does it for me.
That said, there is just something about the taste of the milk that feels "right" to my brain when I use for drinking coffee. Being lactose intolerant I am forced to opt for lactose-free milk, an option that is neither available everywhere and as said before, more expensive than regular milk.
That said, there is just something about the taste of the milk that feels "right" to my brain when I use for drinking coffee. Being lactose intolerant I am forced to opt for lactose-free milk, an option that is neither available everywhere and as said before, more expensive than regular milk.
As someone who grew up on and still regularly drinks (reduced fat) milk I found relatively early in my life that milk can be pretty different between countries, obviously reflective of the cows/what their diets in different areas consist of/etc. I can't speak without some bias (like every regularly consumable diet it's easy to find anything "addicting" until you take steps to grow out of it and realize you don't need it), but southern Scandinavian stuff is totally up my alley. I can never drink milk solo though, it has to be to a meal (and even then it obviously doesn't apply to all meals) since I find the flavor on its own kind of tacky. But to a lot of stuff it's a great palette cleanser and a cold glass is like heaven. Conversely in Poland, I can't get into the milk there at all. I've tried several brands and they all taste so overbearingly bold to me that it feels like some kind of buttery gross mess. It's not bad for mixtures but I'd never drink it to a meal.
From my selective US memory I found the milk there adequate, but because of the aforementioned stuff I generally see traveling as an excuse to drink less milk, so I don't remember much of what it's like there. I do remember trying almond milk, and I was kind of underwhelmed by it? It wasn't "bad" but I felt the flavor profile was weird and lacking in subtlety, I want to say it felt bitter but googling "almond milk flavor" I get a bunch of results about it being sweeter than regular milk so I don't know if that'd be accurate to say, though I guess it could be the nutty element of it. I've yet to try oat milk, I might give it a shot just to see what I've been missing out on.
From my selective US memory I found the milk there adequate, but because of the aforementioned stuff I generally see traveling as an excuse to drink less milk, so I don't remember much of what it's like there. I do remember trying almond milk, and I was kind of underwhelmed by it? It wasn't "bad" but I felt the flavor profile was weird and lacking in subtlety, I want to say it felt bitter but googling "almond milk flavor" I get a bunch of results about it being sweeter than regular milk so I don't know if that'd be accurate to say, though I guess it could be the nutty element of it. I've yet to try oat milk, I might give it a shot just to see what I've been missing out on.
I buy and enjoy all kinds of alternative milk products all the time, but I still love cow milk.
There is nothing wrong with dairy substitutes and they're often really good, but let's not pretend it tastes like real milk. And that's totally fine.
Unless someone invents the milk equivalent of impossible meat, then we should just let the non-dairy stuff exist on its own merits. So much of the unnecessary drama between vegans and non-vegans stem from people not wanting vegan substitutes that taste nothing like the real thing being pushed on them like they wouldn't notice any difference and it's a huge disservice to the awesome selection of delicious vegan products out there that are great because they don't compromise by imitating something it's not capable of presently.
Hopefully someday we can replace everything with stuff that tastes exactly like the "real" thing, though.
Unless someone invents the milk equivalent of impossible meat, then we should just let the non-dairy stuff exist on its own merits. So much of the unnecessary drama between vegans and non-vegans stem from people not wanting vegan substitutes that taste nothing like the real thing being pushed on them like they wouldn't notice any difference and it's a huge disservice to the awesome selection of delicious vegan products out there that are great because they don't compromise by imitating something it's not capable of presently.
Hopefully someday we can replace everything with stuff that tastes exactly like the "real" thing, though.
Most milk alternatives, while still better than dairy, have their own issues from a sustainability point of view. Things like oat are much more sustainable than almond for example.
Also, not all dairy is the same. There are regions where the environmental impact and impact to the animal well being are very much minimized. Check out dairy from the Azores.
Also, not all dairy is the same. There are regions where the environmental impact and impact to the animal well being are very much minimized. Check out dairy from the Azores.
The dairy industry is terrible but I love cheese.
Also fresh milk at the Minnesota state fair is one of life's great joys too. Like oh my God it's amazing.
Also fresh milk at the Minnesota state fair is one of life's great joys too. Like oh my God it's amazing.
Maybe youre delusional?
Ripple for instance is made of peas and has better nutrition than milk (similar protein, lower in fat/calories/carbs, same vitamins). They even make a half/half version you can use in place of cream in recipes.
Oat milk tastes better and comes the closest to the real thing.
Then on the horizon is actual lab grown dairy, identical to dairy (but also better nutrition, no lactose) https://perfectdayfoods.com/ available now in stores in ice creams.
nope many great alternatives exist now too
Miyoko's Organic Vegan Butter | Miyoko's Creamery
Elevate your culinary adventures with Miyoko’s cultured vegan butter. Bake with it, cook with it, spread it—your life will never be the same after you use it.
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I've tried this before and it tastes so similar to the real thing its scary.
Maybe youre delusional?
Ripple for instance is made of peas and has better nutrition than milk (similar protein, lower in fat/calories/carbs, same vitamins). They even make a half/half version you can use in place of cream in recipes.
Oat milk tastes better and comes the closest to the real thing.
Then on the horizon is actual lab grown dairy, identical to dairy (but also better nutrition, no lactose) https://perfectdayfoods.com/ available now in stores in ice creams.
nope many great alternatives exist now too
Miyoko's Organic Vegan Butter | Miyoko's Creamery
Elevate your culinary adventures with Miyoko’s cultured vegan butter. Bake with it, cook with it, spread it—your life will never be the same after you use it.
I've tried this before and it tastes so similar to the real thing its scary.
It's sold out though and I've never seen it in a store ...
I've seen it all the time at Whole Foods and even local Safeways around here, idk.
Maybe youre delusional?
Ripple for instance is made of peas and has better nutrition than milk (similar protein, lower in fat/calories/carbs, same vitamins). They even make a half/half version you can use in place of cream in recipes.
Oat milk tastes better and comes the closest to the real thing.
Then on the horizon is actual lab grown dairy, identical to dairy (but also better nutrition, no lactose) https://perfectdayfoods.com/ available now in stores in ice creams.
nope many great alternatives exist now too
Miyoko's Organic Vegan Butter | Miyoko's Creamery
Elevate your culinary adventures with Miyoko’s cultured vegan butter. Bake with it, cook with it, spread it—your life will never be the same after you use it.
I've tried this before and it tastes so similar to the real thing its scary.
Nobody is saying non-dairy is useless or worse in terms of nutrition, we're talking about whether it tastes like cow milk or not.
Pea/Oat milks come close enough. Oatly Barista (full fat) is near ubiquitous to me.
Alternative milks just don't have enough fats in them; they all are so watery. I don't like eating a bowl of cereal or a cookie with water.
Nah. I can't handle regular milk but all the alternatives I've tested are either awful or still make me sick.
I developed a milk allergy a few years ago and while the alternatives have been getting better in recent years the stuff that actually is comparable in price here are really terrible, either far too sugary or watery. There is only one type of soya that I used to like (Morrisons own brand) and they changed the recipe to be sugary, while Oatly's semi skimmed alternative is fine and the only one I can drink on its own, but significantly more expensive.
I like oat milk, and wish it were cheaper around me, but let's not pretend they taste the same.
Similar taste profiles/usages, but that's about it.
As someone said earlier, there's no "Impossible Burger" equivalent for milk yet.
Similar taste profiles/usages, but that's about it.
As someone said earlier, there's no "Impossible Burger" equivalent for milk yet.
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Who is pretending or even saying they taste the same again? 99% of people in this thread that had something good to say about milk alternatives have said they taste good or better - which obviously doesn't equate to tasting the same.
How can people like oat milk? Shit is fucking gross. It's like if you made a bowl oatmeal and put 20x the needed water, and then you just drink that stank ass diluted oat water. And it's stupidly expensive, it's just insanity.
Almond milk is pretty good, but it's awful for coffee. Soy milk is alright though.
Almond milk is pretty good, but it's awful for coffee. Soy milk is alright though.
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I live in Germany but it really depends on the brand and how they make it. For example, standard Alpro oat milk doesn't taste good in my experience.
Like I said in the OP, the one from Lidl and DM taste great here in Europe. The Oatly fat variant is supposed to be great as well but I never tried it because it is too expensive for my budget.
I would like to know where you ger groceries but you are still wrong, that salad won't feed a person the same way meat would, if you want to eat healthy you need to add other things to that meal while many Americans will eat the stake with some potatoes and decide the salad is not worth it because it doesn't provide enough calories.
This video explains it better: https://youtu.be/HOE5QDDKDlY
i like alternative milks (almond or oat) with cereal, but for me they all taste horrible with coffee. yes, i know how to make coffee and heat milk properly. yes, i know there are 'barista' editions etc.
Fred Meyer is where I buy produce. And you know what? I can go another mile farther and get it at Sprouts for even less.
And you're going off on tangents to not admit you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Your original point was that salad is way more expensive than steak and I showed you you're wrong about that. Now you're bringing up unrelated nonsense that has nothing to do with that.
Here is your post I responded to " That's not how it works in North America where they give ridiculous subsidies to harmful industries like industrial meet and dairy. In Canada and the States, making a salad is literally more expensive than frying a stake, which makes no logic." That was your argument and it's completely wrong, as I showed you. Your statement had nothing to do with "won't feed a person the same way" or potatoes or whatever you're now prattling on about.
edit: And I started your video and right off the bat it's full of shit. 5 apples do not cost $10, not even at Whole Foods would they charge that insane an amount. An apple is about 1/3 to 1/2 a pound and you can buy apples, depending on variety, between $1 and $1.50 a pound.
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There were people in the last couple pages who said something of that effect.
I had no idea that existed, and yeah it must be astronomically expensive
I get one they sell at Whole Foods that's like 5 bucks a half gallon. Supposedly Aldi sells it too for much cheaper.
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The only one who said something "to that effect" I have seen is bye a few posts ago and he says they come "close enough" which is, of course, up to opinion. No one has said they taste the same in this thread and really - only some heavy misinterpretation of something someone said in this thread could lead to that conclusion.
Yup, I wholeheartedly agree on people resisting change, and honestly I don't even think any of the alternatives are all that bad to begin with.
Uhm, chill man.
Sorry for quoting you guys:
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These are from the last two pages, that I was reading. And that's not even counting ambiguous posts just saying Oat milk is the best (not clarifying what that means).
It was a simple comment. Idk why you're taking issue with me specifically.
Walmart brand unsweetened vanilla almond milk is $2/half gallon. It is the most milk-like of the varieties I've tried, and it's far and away the cheapest. Damn near the same cost as regular cow milk. My wife is dairy sensitive, and switching to this has made her life so much more pleasant!
The only ones that are actually good to just drink straight are rice, flax, and soy milk. Nut milks (including coconut) are good for cooking/baking, but to pour on cereal or to drink? No.
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You are already counting ambiguous posts, though.
The first one says it's a "milk killer" - whatever that means. No mention there of it tasting the same as cow milk.
The other guy said he, himself, can barely the difference between almond milk and cow milk. He may be pretending? But he isn't telling anyone that it tastes the same. He only speaks for himself.
Otherwise when someone says something "is the best", they probably just mean that they think it tastes better, as that is what it generally means.
And not sure why you are thinking I take issue with you specifically - this is a forum, I made a thread and I naturally respond to some that post in said thread. Nothing more to it. I even responded to two people that said the same thing as you but unfortunately got no response.
Maybe it's because you're being really aggressive?
You took normal english expressions like "let's not pretend", "barely tell the difference" and made extremely literal statements out of them to support your argument.
Like I'm done with this interaction, but just wanted to let you know, that you're coming off real strong.
The only milk substitute where I genuinely couldn't tell the difference was some delicious oat milk ice cream shake I had not long ago and it was pretty much just as calorie dense as the real thing so maybe that's why lol. Substitutes can definitely taste good and are generally better for the environment but when I see it:
1)readily available pretty much anywhere
2)close to the real thing in pretty much every way from taste and texture to ingredient usage
3)just as affordable if not more so
then you can ask that question sincerely and not before imo, and nothing hits all 3 of those yet. Will be great when it happens since said product will likely be significantly more sustainable than the real thing
1)readily available pretty much anywhere
2)close to the real thing in pretty much every way from taste and texture to ingredient usage
3)just as affordable if not more so
then you can ask that question sincerely and not before imo, and nothing hits all 3 of those yet. Will be great when it happens since said product will likely be significantly more sustainable than the real thing
Yeah, they are their own unique tastes. It's not like everything needs to be a perfect 1:1 replacement of tastes we enjoy. Branch out and enjoy new things! Plus, it's good for yourself, and the environment.
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So just like you did? Glad you somewhat got I was going for at least.
You started with interpreting posts that didn't state what you said and made a literal aggressive statement out of it, as in that people in this thread were "pretending they taste the same". With such a antagonistic presumption, of course any rebuttal will come off as similarily antagonistic.
Otherwise, I was asking the other two posters where people say in this thread that they taste the same. If that is aggressive then any rebuttal is "aggressive".
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I drink Oatmilk primarily, but I still cook with whole milk, cream and butter because I havent personally used a product that matches the flavors it helps bring out in dishes I prepare. Doesnt mean they're bad, just not up to the standard that I want to see yet. They'll probably get there in the future and I'll be all aboard the train.
I don't really drink milk, I mostly just cook with it. And for a number of recipes, milk alternatives just don't really work.