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Who is your favorite villain in the Mass Effect Trilogy? [FULL SPOILERS INSIDE]
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I want to say Illusive Man but Mass Effect is at its best for me with the "shades of grey" morality he & Cerberus represent in ME2 rather than the outright antagonistic nature of ME3.
There's nothing Morally grey about Cerberus though. Mass Effect 2 just ignored all the heinous shit they've done and turned every other figure of authority into a drooling imbecile to make TIM look good by comparison.
I know some people think it's lame, but I loved the Sovereign reveal in ME1. It was an oooo-shit moment for me, just like Revan in KOTOR. Sovereign for me. Saren and Illusive Man were good too.
I always loved Sovereign for their big speech at the end of ME1. In the span of a 5 minutes or so conversation, they establish themselves as this overwhelmingly powerful enemy, one you can't even fathom how you're going to defeat by the end of the series (either that or it's just a large amount of hubris at that point lol). Even after you roll credits in ME1 and beat the game's final boss, the encounter with Sovereign gives you enough of a taste of what's to come, and personally it made me really excited to see what would come next in the series.
"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it." is perhaps one of my favorite lines delivered by an antagonist in a video game series.
"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it." is perhaps one of my favorite lines delivered by an antagonist in a video game series.
The Illusive Man is the only one who has an interesting dynamic with Shepard. He's the obvious choice.
I liked how ominous and threatening it sounded, but it ultimately basically amounted to what you're saying. I find it hard to appreciate that scene now knowing what becomes of the reapers.
No, no I totally get it. Harbinger failed to land for me but I absolutely get that this villain who is just hamming it right up the entire game could be endearing, especially since we only find out he's a Reaper right in the endgame.
I'm of the opinion that 2 is better than 1 in practically every way. Except 1 has the better villain in Saren. One of the most underrated villains in gaming imo.
I voted for Saren, which is hands down the best villain the series had.
Sovereign and Harbinger I saw more like forces of nature, because for them this is a normal thing to do, they don't see it as good or evil, it just is.
The Illusive ManI saw more as an antagonist.
Kai Leng was a disaster in the game. I liked him a whole lot more in the novel.
Sovereign and Harbinger I saw more like forces of nature, because for them this is a normal thing to do, they don't see it as good or evil, it just is.
The Illusive ManI saw more as an antagonist.
Kai Leng was a disaster in the game. I liked him a whole lot more in the novel.
How come anybody has talked about the final boss yet?
Because Marauder Shields was a true hero and you will honour him.
He tried to save us from the ending.
How come anybody has talked about the final boss yet?
<3 This movie still cracks me up because of the music.
This is easily one of the most ... Holy fuck.. moments I've had in gaming..
Sovereign easily..
Sovereign was intimidating and mysterious. Also, just a disapassionate being and not a "rawrrrr me mad" evil guy. And he made Saren his pet just because!
That man was a saint!How come anybody has talked about the final boss yet?
Yeaaa, I'm not the hugest reader so it's probably crap to more avid readers. But I loved it. Especially reading it before ME3, got me so unbelievably hyped.
Everyone says this, but Sovereign got his butt kicked conventionally in ME1 and was blown to space dust.
"We're beyond your comprehension! We're immortal! We're unstoppable! We're... ow. Ow! Hey! Stop that! OW! STOP THAT! OWWWW! I'll tell the other Reapers about this!"
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Well I mean, wiping out civilizations again and again will do that to you. They've probably rarely known defeat because they didn't fight the oh so special human race until now lolEveryone says this, but Sovereign got his butt kicked conventionally in ME1 and was blown to space dust.
"We're beyond your comprehension! We're immortal! We're unstoppable! We're... ow. Ow! Hey! Stop that! OW! STOP THAT! OWWWW! I'll tell the other Reapers about this!"
People really gonna go on about pretentious cthulu aliens when humans in scifi are the biggest snowflakes
Saren.
I always thought The Illusive Man was overhyped. I know people blame ME3 for ruining his nuance, but even in Mass Effect 2 Cerberus was such a blatantly immoral organization and it was also the same rinse, lather and repath that any cell doing truly heinous experiments crimes were totally always renegade cells that TIM somehow never caught wind of. So as the leader he was either lying or incompetent that so much shit was constantly going down under his watch.
I always thought The Illusive Man was overhyped. I know people blame ME3 for ruining his nuance, but even in Mass Effect 2 Cerberus was such a blatantly immoral organization and it was also the same rinse, lather and repath that any cell doing truly heinous experiments crimes were totally always renegade cells that TIM somehow never caught wind of. So as the leader he was either lying or incompetent that so much shit was constantly going down under his watch.
Saren.
His French voice was so goddamn cool.
He also had the coolest design and was overall a very good and tragic antagonist.
I vividly remember wanting him back to be a squadmate in some way or another lol
His French voice was so goddamn cool.
He also had the coolest design and was overall a very good and tragic antagonist.
I vividly remember wanting him back to be a squadmate in some way or another lol
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Everyone says this, but Sovereign got his butt kicked conventionally in ME1 and was blown to space dust.
"We're beyond your comprehension! We're immortal! We're unstoppable! We're... ow. Ow! Hey! Stop that! OW! STOP THAT! OWWWW! I'll tell the other Reapers about this!"
That was one Reaper against the entire Citadel fleet, while he was mind controlling Saren into activating the relay to Dark Space.
Like yeah it's cathartic but the game emphasizes right afterwards that this is a victory that will never be achieved again, an the battles ahead will be much more difficult.
I was legit shocked when I heard Saren's English voice for the first time. It's so.. normal, compared to the French one lol
How was the illusive man working for the reapers when he was instrumental in stopping the reapers plans in Mass Effect 2?
He got indoctrinated, by the latest when he salvaged the Collector Base at the end of Mass Effect 2.
Anyway was he really "instrumental" when the Collector abductions were a minuscule part of the overall Reaper plan that they, presumably, immediately restart once they land on Earth? Not to mention Cerberus only gets involved because the Alliance decides mass disappearances of human colonies isn't a big deal because they were all jerks anyway.
Like it feels as if all I really achieved in Mass Effect 2 was, directly or not, handing a base full of Reaper technology to a definite madman who then immediately got brainwashed by it.
Sovereign and Harbinger do nothing for me. I didn't realise what a big deal the Sovereign speech was for a lot of people until I saw the Raycevik video.
Saren was pretty cool and had a cool theme, but TIM is on another level and has one of the best pieces of music in the trilogy to his name:
Sure, he gets a bit lame in ME3, but his awesomeness in 2 makes up for it.
Had this as my wallpaper on my laptop for my previous job:
Saren was pretty cool and had a cool theme, but TIM is on another level and has one of the best pieces of music in the trilogy to his name:
Sure, he gets a bit lame in ME3, but his awesomeness in 2 makes up for it.
Had this as my wallpaper on my laptop for my previous job:
The short version is that The Illusive Man wanted to use Reaper tech to give humanity dominance in the galactic society, which is why he asks Shepard to spare the Collector base in ME2. Whether Shepard spares or destroys the Collector base, Cerberus' main goal is still to harness Reaper tech, and it's part of the lore that long-term exposure to Reaper tech has lead to indoctrination.
So by the end of ME3, TIM has fallen prey to indoctrination, just like Saren.
So basically, Sovereign is the Radditz to Nappa and Vegeta showing up later.
That should make Harbinger Nappa but Harbinger was more like another, weaker Raditz, who kept showing up to get bopped in the head.
This makes me realize that even though Mass Effect 3 had "three" villains (Harbinger, TIM and Kai Leng) it felt like it had none.
My only issue with Saren is that his current design should've been the one at the end of the game. He would start mostly normal and get more and more augmented with each encounter. Which is something the game actually suggest is the case, even though we don't see it.
My only issue with Saren is that his current design should've been the one at the end of the game. He would start mostly normal and get more and more augmented with each encounter. Which is something the game actually suggest is the case, even though we don't see it.
Everyone says this, but Sovereign got his butt kicked conventionally in ME1 and was blown to space dust.
"We're beyond your comprehension! We're immortal! We're unstoppable! We're... ow. Ow! Hey! Stop that! OW! STOP THAT! OWWWW! I'll tell the other Reapers about this!"
I mean that was against all the armies of the entire galaxy combined and it still wasn't enough, Shepherd had to defeat Saren for them to win. That implies a lot about how powerful the Reapers are if it takes all that just to defeat one