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Who is the most powerful member of the Avatar gang after Aang?

Most powerful bender

  • Zuko

    Votes: 56 6.3%

  • Katara

    Votes: 161 18.1%

  • Toph

    Votes: 672 75.6%
  • Total voters
    889
Trafalgar Law

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Septimus Prime said:
Here is Azula using lightning.
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Here's Mako.
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Anyone from Aang's time gets fried before they even know what's happening.

But, again, Mako himself is just an average bender during his own era and gets owned by everyone. It's just that 70 years is a long time.
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ehhh ozai generated lightning just as quick and with greater volume and zuko countered that shit fast, it was also a surprise attack lmao

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Toph even though I love Katara.

I think the biggest injustice in the series is that Toph became a fucking cop as an adult, which I always thought was the least Toph thing should could have done.
 
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RiOrius said:
Yeah, but electricity in the Korra series was also apparently not as lethal? It's weird: in TLA lightning was coded as "this will fucking kill you" (while regular fireballs were generally shrugged off or blocked as though they were primarily concussive damage). But in Korra, especially with the lightning gauntlets but even with lightning bending IIRC, electricity was generally used more as a tasing than as lethal electrocution.
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in tloa the know lighting bender always use it to go for a kill, Mako probably does not.
 

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Toxi said:
It killed Aang and Ming-Hua. So pretty major damage.
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To be fair, Aang was a frail little kid and Ming-Hua literally had limbs made of water which makes her incredibly vulnerable to lightning.

OT: it's clearly Toph, she invented a whole new bending discipline as a kid and was so powerful she could single-handedly take out multiple earthbender arena fighters, entire regiments of Dai Li agents, and basically the entire army of the Earth King without breaking a sweat. She had such a profound impact on the world that an entire city was founded in her honor and she pretty much had the same kind of ubiquity as the Avatar.

Basically your only hope of defeating Toph is being an incredibly skilled airbender who can go about undetected by her seismic vision but even then if you touch the ground you're dead. Zaheer is the perfect counter for her lol.
 
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Gotta go with Katara in terms of sheer power. Toph's advantage was in her skill, not her raw strength. Remember, Bumi was far stronger than Toph in terms of raw power, but Toph would probably have beaten him a fight, because she's just straight up better than every other Earthbender in the world. Not to say she's not powerful, she's more powerful than most Earthbenders, but that wasn't where her real strength was.
 
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Jedi2016 said:
Gotta go with Katara in terms of sheer power. Toph's advantage was in her skill, not her raw strength. Remember, Bumi was far stronger than Toph in terms of raw power, but Toph would probably have beaten him a fight, because she's just straight up better than every other Earthbender in the world. Not to say she's not powerful, she's more powerful than most Earthbenders, but that wasn't where her real strength was.
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Still think the power was there, we saw it on the S2 last episodes trying to get to the king. Also, i think both skill and power were honed on those numerous matches against the boulder and the other dudes in the arena.

She's a monster. Still one of my favorite characters in media, ever.
 

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Katara when she enters into "don't you dare touch my man" mode is unstoppable. So, with the proper conditions, she wins. If Aang (or someone nearly as close to her as Aang) isn't in danger, then Toph.
 
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NHarmonic. said:
Still think the power was there, we saw it on the S2 last episodes trying to get to the king. Also, i think both skill and power were honed on those numerous matches against the boulder and the other dudes in the arena.

She's a monster. Still one of my favorite characters in media, ever.
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I agree. I'm definitely not saying she's weak, she's anything but.. hehe.

It's interesting that in past times, the Avatar's teachers were chosen (by whoever) from among the best benders in the world. But without that structure that past Avatars had, fate itself seemed to intervene and ensured that he would cross paths with the very benders that were ideal to train him. Even when one of them is a novice in her own right, and another is his sworn enemy! Such amazing writing in TLA.

Shit, just talking about it makes me want to go watch it again.
 
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People say who would win between Zuko vs. Katara

Honestly...

It'd be a pretty even fight... with whoever wins depending on if the sun or moon is out.
 
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Yeah Toph is pretty busted lol. Funny enough, the only person who could probably take her on barring someone in the Avatar state or a bloodbender is Zaheer with his flying powerup since she wouldn't be able to see him at all.

Katara is no slouch though.
 
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Like other have said, Toph was already a master and could easily beat any of the gang. They kept finding ways to sideline her. Katara beating Azula isn't a thing to me since they had to make her unhinged for any of them to beat her.
 
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Hero said:
So your whole argument comes down to Mako can perform lightning faster? How many times has lightning done major damage to anyone in either series?
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No. My argument was that Aang and his team can't contend with things like instant lightning; electric gloves and whips; full contingents of martial artists fighting like Ty Lee; armored, metal-bending cops; platinum robots; etc.

Everything has leveled up by Korra's time.

RiOrius said:
Yeah, but electricity in the Korra series was also apparently not as lethal? It's weird: in TLA lightning was coded as "this will fucking kill you" (while regular fireballs were generally shrugged off or blocked as though they were primarily concussive damage). But in Korra, especially with the lightning gauntlets but even with lightning bending IIRC, electricity was generally used more as a tasing than as lethal electrocution.

Except that one time when Mako just nuked the bajeezus out of what's-her-name. But I'm pretty sure that took more than the little pew-pew you've got in this gif right here.
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No wind up for that, either.
 
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ChubbyHuggs said:
Like other have said, Toph was already a master and could easily beat any of the gang. They kept finding ways to sideline her. Katara beating Azula isn't a thing to me since they had to make her unhinged for any of them to beat her.
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also people need to remember if Aang hadn't hit his back in the exact right place...

he loses to Ozai
 
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I wish people would stop with the Avatar/Korra comparisons. There isn't really one. They changed the rules of the world so drastically that it's a waste of time.
 
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grandjedi said:
Well except for Korra herself. She could beat anyone on Aang's team, but I suppose that's cheating.
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i like aang's chances against her lmao, he as the superior avatar state to boot
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People say who would win between Zuko vs. Katara

Honestly...

It'd be a pretty even fight... with whoever wins depending on if the sun or moon is out.
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people underrrate zuko , he did good against katara at the finale of book 2 , where katara almost defeated azula even
ChubbyHuggs said:
Like other have said, Toph was already a master and could easily beat any of the gang. They kept finding ways to sideline her. Katara beating Azula isn't a thing to me since they had to make her unhinged for any of them to beat her.
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nah katar had her dead to rights here and then zuko saved her

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Septimus Prime said:
No. My argument was that Aang and his team can't contend with things like instant lightning; electric gloves and whips; full contingents of martial artists fighting like Ty Lee; armored, metal-bending cops; platinum robots; etc.

Everything has leveled up by Korra's time.


No wind up for that, either.
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again fast as fuck , little wind up , big as shit and zuko was caught off guard, countered it easy as shit
 
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metalbending vs bloodbending

I dunno man, I gotta give it to Katara.

Toph is still the best though
 
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Arkanim94 said:
in tloa the know lighting bender always use it to go for a kill, Mako probably does not.
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IMO, the lightning bending that reached the masses by the time of Korra wasn't as OP as the one used on TLA. They probably taught a nerfed down version of lightning bending.
The only situation we see Mako's lightning kill someone was when he used it against Ming Hua, and that was because she was surrounded by water. Other than that, Mako's lightning doesn't seem to be more powerful than a tazer.
 
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Toph was putting in work since she joined the squad. Each time the show would display the crazy feats she was capable of by taking on huge waves of people.
 
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Toph is so broken they had to write around her abilities in The Last Airbender as to not end every conflict instantly and in The Legend of Korra they just gave up on writing around her broken abilities all together and just had her go home because she couldn't be bothered at the climax of the series. Shit she could go toe to toe with Aang no problem.
 

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None of this stuff makes sense at the broken level because everyone is a glass cannon. The answer to who wins is whoever hits first
 
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How is this a question
It's Toph especially when she discovers Metal bending

She was still owning fire benders even with the meteor

The only reason she wasn't in more of Korra seasons is because Toph could solve the plot and it's actually acknowledged in universe that Toph didn't want to solve the plot
 
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Toph by far.

Though I definitely disagree with those ranking Katara above Zuko. She needs blood bending for that, which is once a month.

As for water beating fire, it doesn't really work that way in the avatar world. And Zuko can easily melt his way out of her ice.

Skill wise they're probably even after Zuko learned from the dragons. Speed and strength wise Zuko is wayyy ahead, on account of reacting to lightning twice and being strong enough to break iron chains with just one kick.

Even in their old forms, Zuko helped take down the Red Lotus and has a friggin dragon. No contest against Katara.
 
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Trafalgar Law said:
i like aang's chances against her lmao, he as the superior avatar state to boot
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Nah. Korra was a prodigy bender and basically the best at bending elements in fight contexts. Hence why all her storylines involve her facing situations & enemies that she couldn't just punch into defeat. Korra is intentionally Aang's opposite and therefore sucks at the skills that came naturally to Aang (air bending, spiritual connections, pacifism, convincing others to come to a cooperative solution, etc). Aang wasn't nearly as talented with bending as Korra is and would lose a 1v1 fight (or more likely never engage in the fight as he would look for a peaceful solution instead)
 
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It depends.

A pissed off Katara during a full moon (so she can use bloodbending) is one of the most fearsome characters in the show. Even without a full moon, Katara went toe-to-toe with Azula and then took out a mob of Dai Li in the season 2 finale. She's the most potent waterbender in ATLA and shows great situational awareness during fights (like how she beats Azula in the final agni kai).

Most of the time though? You gotta go with Toph. Unlike the other protagonists, Toph is introduced as a master bender - probably the most powerful earthbender in the world aside from Bumi - from the get-go. She's not only a powerful bender, she's unorthodox and creative - literally inventing metalbending on the spot to get out of a jam. Toph was basically a one girl army, and wiped the floor with most of the opponents she faced. She's incredible.
 
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Like, it's Toph, but I feel like some people are underselling how skilled and strong Katara is without the moon. Like she cracked an iceberg throwing a tantrum at Sokka in episode 1. She took on Azula in multiple encounters, including Sozin's Comet as Zuko's second.

Zuko is the weakest though. Iroh teaches him in a very basic, supportive and fundamental way, emphasizing form and defense over power and aggression. He learns from the Sun Warriors. In fact Zuko is much like Aang and Katara in that he doesn't want to fight, he's just very angry.
 
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grandjedi said:
Nah. Korra was a prodigy bender and basically the best at bending elements in fight contexts. Hence why all her storylines involve her facing situations & enemies that she couldn't just punch into defeat. Korra is intentionally Aang's opposite and therefore sucks at the skills that came naturally to Aang (air bending, spiritual connections, pacifism, convincing others to come to a cooperative solution, etc). Aang wasn't nearly as talented with bending as Korra is and would lose a 1v1 fight (or more likely never engage in the fight as he would look for a peaceful solution instead)
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Yeah but Korra wasn't the best at bending anything.

Aang actually was actually a top tier air bender since to even be considered a master Air bender you have to come up with a technique noone else had managed to. That's not the case with any other bending style and it's something Korra herself didn't manage.

I don't think we even see anyone else pull off the air scooter.
 
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grandjedi said:
Nah. Korra was a prodigy bender and basically the best at bending elements in fight contexts. Hence why all her storylines involve her facing situations & enemies that she couldn't just punch into defeat. Korra is intentionally Aang's opposite and therefore sucks at the skills that came naturally to Aang (air bending, spiritual connections, pacifism, convincing others to come to a cooperative solution, etc). Aang wasn't nearly as talented with bending as Korra is and would lose a 1v1 fight (or more likely never engage in the fight as he would look for a peaceful solution instead)
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Yeah, Korra was so good because she was born into a world of peace and raised under the protection of the White Lotus and the full support of all the nations that enabled her to flourish. She was born into privilege. Still didn't mean shit when she lost her bending in the first season. Worst Avatar ever.
 
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Septimus Prime said:
Here is Azula using lightning.
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Here's Mako.
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Anyone from Aang's time gets fried before they even know what's happening.

But, again, Mako himself is just an average bender during his own era and gets owned by everyone. It's just that 70 years is a long time.
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And here's a demonstration of Azula using lightning just as fast as that:


(Starts around 2:20 if the timestamp doesn't work)

In the gif you posted Zuko invites her to shoot lightning at him, so she makes a big dramatic show of it. And it's dramatic for the audience too, as it's basically the second most important fight of the whole series. She can shoot lightning much faster than that if she needs to.
 
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Triggerhappytel said:
And here's a demonstration of Azula using lightning just as fast as that:


(Starts around 2:20 if the timestamp doesn't work)

In the gif you posted Zuko invites her to shoot lightning at him, so she makes a big dramatic show of it. And it's dramatic for the audience too, as it's basically the second most important fight of the whole series. She can shoot lightning much faster than that if she needs to.
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A great example of both Azula being awesome and that lightning is way more hyped than it is effective in practice.
 

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Hero said:
Yeah, Korra was so good because she was born into a world of peace and raised under the protection of the White Lotus and the full support of all the nations that enabled her to flourish. She was born into privilege. Still didn't mean shit when she lost her bending in the first season. Worst Avatar ever.
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Lol I don't know why but the way you phrased this makes you sound so angry. Like you were a character from the show that had personal beef with her.
 
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Principate said:
Yeah but Korra wasn't the best at bending anything.

Aang actually was actually a top tier air bender since to even be considered a master Air bender you have to come up with a technique noone else had managed to. That's not the case with any other bending style and it's something Korra herself didn't manage.

I don't think we even see anyone else pull off the air scooter.
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They did air scooter races in the beginning of Book 2 of The Legend of Korra. Actually I think Tenzin's kids use the air scooter multiple times.
 
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