Definitely Phasma, you get Brienne of Tarth into a combat role and all you use her for is to sell toys and die in a stupid way
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Who is the biggest loser in Star Wars?
- Thread starter Bor Gullet
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I really doubt JJ is solely responsible for most of the baffling decisions in TROS. The movie screams heavy executive meddling.
Too many decisions reeks of JJ's hands. Of course, executive meddling was likely large, but you assume JJ wasn't on-board with all that meddling.
Looking at JJ filmography, TROS doesn't really seem all too much like a JJ film in a lot of ideas and execution. People are too quick to blame him for this and act like they know him personally, I doubt he had as much of a hand in a lot of the flaws in this movie as people think.
Over-reliance on nostalgia.
Plot-driven narratives focused on Macguffins.
Twists that only work for the audience but mean nothing to the characters.
These are classic JJ traits.
Thats also a very surface level reading of JJ traits. All of these things are present in a lot JJ movies (except for reliance on nostalgia, I don't believe that's a fair thing to state), but he always structured these elements in a precise manner that at the very least made for engaging and well-paced spectacles. All other JJ movies have a solid emotional core that defines the movie, you could tell he was passionate about telling those stories in the best way he could.
Every single other one of JJ´s movies has a clear vision going through it.
That is something that is completely absent from TROS. To me, TROS feels like a movie where a bunch of executives handed JJ a comprehensive list of things he needed to do in the movie and JJ was left to pick up the pieces as good as he could.
Until we hear a tell-all or honest making-of, we can only speculate, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Im right.
I see that you don't seem to be interested in talking about this in good faith.
So Into Darkness never happened? That film has all the problems that TROS has and was completely JJ. Or are we going to blame the amorphous "executives" for that disaster of a film as well?
Picard would automatically be the hero the Star Wars Universe needs tho. :O
What about the Sand people?What about the Raid guys who played Kanjiklub?
I don't like this youtuber much (in terms of their arguments, I'm sure Patrick is fine as a person) but I watched this video back sometime after TLJ and even though I was apprehensive about JJ Abrams doing star wars, I scoffed so hard at the idea that you could predict what JJ Abrams, who whatever you might say about him is a professional hollywood director, would do with star wars based on how he handled some teen drama show from over a two decades ago.
I still can't believe I had to eat crow on this one.
I'm sure there's executive meddling, but thematically, TRoS is just what JJ Abrams does.
What about the Raid guys who played Kanjiklub?
"Ah man, the guys from The Raid? They're going to have the most kickass fight scene!!"
What about the Raid guys who played Kanjiklub?
I like to pretend I live in a timeline where they played the Knights of Ren instead and we got some amazingly choreographed brawl between Ben and Rey fighting them all at once.
Yarael Poof
How you gonna be a jedi with a foot and a half long neck? No overhead strikes for you
Motherfucker didn't even MAKE IT to the clone wars
The only reasonable person on that council.
Are you kidding? The movie is an example of not enough executive meddling. They let JJ have free reign to retcon whatever he wanted, introduce whatever insane magic powers he wanted and even let him make a Carrie Fisher zombie to put in some scenes (despite insisting she would be written out of Episode IX previously). They were so desperate after Solo bombed and TLJ napalmed the old EU fans they let him do whatever he wanted. If an executive had said "you are not allowed to retcon ROTJ" perhaps the movie could have been saved.
There simply wasn't time to interfere by the time JJ was hired, they had to start shooting very quickly yet they threw out almost everything that had been in pre-production for the Trevorrow version. They had to just cross their fingers and pray that he could deliver two hours of Star Wars footage in time for the toy launch.
She was just a goon to be a foil for Finn, a secondary character. She was never supposed to be any more than that, these movies already have far too many characters and it's impossible give them all a huge role. She got more screen time than Boba Fett and more dialogue too, so not such a bad part.