It's not, but the Italian Serie A it's basicaly a one club tournament.
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Who is the best soccer player of last decade?
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It's not, but the Italian Serie A it's basicaly a one club tournament.
European championship when it was 16 teams was more competitive than the world cup at times. It used to have insane group stages. 2016 with the new format was mostly a foregone conclusion until the quarters and semis
Inter are only 3 points away and have heavily strengthened in the last 2 transfer windows and Lazio are 5 points away with a game in hand.
Look at the last decade champions, it's Juventus every year. It's super boring. Serie A used to be an amazing league in the past.
And the best thing about Inter wich is Lautaro it's not going to last long in that team.
I don't literally mean crying. I mean Messi allows his emotions to take a hold whilst Ronaldo uses his emotions into being more productive.
Messi is not great for Argentina at all. Ronaldo captained a terrible Portugal side to winning Euro 2016. They did get lucky with alot of their fixtures but he still done something Messi has failed to do over and over with a much better team behind him. You are not seriously going to suggest both Messi and Ronaldo have the same attitude. They do not. Messi does not have the drive or energy Ronaldo has at international level. He just doesn't.
More technique than Ronaldo? Don't underestimate the technique of Ronaldo. Watch how he handled the toughest league in the world at age 19:
Still nothing compared to Maradona in 86 and what he did with Napoli. He is the GOAT.
BTW Argentina had a very good team in 2014.
It's weird isn't it? There has been only one non European team to win a WC in the whole of the first 2 decades of this century, but yeah let's pretend that the Euros don't count lol.
they also reached the final in 2004, losing to Greece
Argentina hasnt even won Copa America once with him, losing to 4 finals.
But it's true. They have won the Serie A every year since 2011.
it's more difficult to win the euros than the world cup, and portugal's surrounding cast generally isn't as good as argentina's, and argentina never even winning the copa america with messi is bizarre, so i absolutely think international performance is a solid argument for ronaldo in terms of historical success and legacy.
that said, i don't think anything else is. IMO overall team honours aren't as important a barometer for individual success in football as they are in something like basketball or american football (quarterbacks) where one person's individual influence on the game is so much greater, particularly when you're talking about the international game. clearly ronaldo and messi are two of the most influential players of all time, but there's still so much that's out of their hands here.
messi's consistency in la liga, plus just the holy-shit eye test, makes him the better player for me.
that said, i don't think anything else is. IMO overall team honours aren't as important a barometer for individual success in football as they are in something like basketball or american football (quarterbacks) where one person's individual influence on the game is so much greater, particularly when you're talking about the international game. clearly ronaldo and messi are two of the most influential players of all time, but there's still so much that's out of their hands here.
messi's consistency in la liga, plus just the holy-shit eye test, makes him the better player for me.
The better is Ronaldo but I find Messi way more fun to watch. Bad thing he decided to play for Barça forever and they are terribly at hiring talent to play alongside him, not to say that they have am extra boner for whatever player that is Catalan or Spanish.
It would be nice if Ronaldo could win a CL with Juve.
It would be nice if Ronaldo could win a CL with Juve.
i was at elland road when he scored that goal against liverpool, and i don't think i will ever experience a louder noise in my life.
This may be anecdotal but I feel like a lot of Messi and Ronaldo fans online previously were pushing the narrative that only professional European club soccer mattered when determining the best player of all time.
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Has Ronaldo even played with the talent level Messi had with MSN days?
Best talent Messi had was Xavi and Busquets, what a joy. Yeah MSN was awesome too but the rest of the team was never as good as them. Ronaldo's Madrid was way more balanced than any Barça team Messi played.
edit: for example having Mascherano playing as center back instead of defensive midfielder lol wtf is that
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Messi, eventhough he skated around that Tata Martino year (and some change) doing absolutely nothing and getting all the praise
However, when Messi is at his best, even Ronaldo cant match him, to top it off, he makes it look easy, better at free kicks, doesnt really ever flop, doesnt throw temper tantrums at his teammates ... and shit, Im a Real Madrid fan
Ronaldo is pretty spectacular in his own right though
However, when Messi is at his best, even Ronaldo cant match him, to top it off, he makes it look easy, better at free kicks, doesnt really ever flop, doesnt throw temper tantrums at his teammates ... and shit, Im a Real Madrid fan
Ronaldo is pretty spectacular in his own right though
Not sure but if i was a Top coach and i had every choice i'd pick Ramos. No doubt.
Probably Ramos. Maybe Chiellini or Lahm would be in the running.
We only got a couple of years of Puyol in the last decade and VVD has only come to the fore in the last few years.
Agreed, probably Ramos based on team success in the biggest games. His trophy cabinet is mighty impressive both with club and country. Varane was also incredibly successful last decade, especially given his age. That is no knock on Lahm or Chiellini who were both excellent as well.