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Who had the better character arc/send-off? Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne, RDJ as Tony Stark or Chris Evans as Steve Rogers?
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Tony for me. He went out the way he was introduced: with a authoritative "I am Iron Man". Even the biggest, baddest army in the galaxy wasn't enough, and sacrificing himself for the good of everyone really brought his arc to a satisfying and definitive close.
I like Cap too, and Batman was fine though. I really enjoyed Logan, but the edge goes to the Marvel movies for so successfully pulling off a multi-movie saga, without anything close to the stinkers like X3 and Origins.
I like Cap too, and Batman was fine though. I really enjoyed Logan, but the edge goes to the Marvel movies for so successfully pulling off a multi-movie saga, without anything close to the stinkers like X3 and Origins.
Fan-booking movies and playing "they should have done this" is always a losing game. But hear me out.
The scene they used as the ending should have been the middle (maybe save for the Bruce in Europe shots which could still be saved for the real ending). Do a truncated version of the story they told as the first half of the movie and save the time skip for after the "Robin enters the cave" scene. Then, pull a Metal Gear Solid 2, where the rest of the movie is Blake is now Gotham's protector, with whatever narrative loose ends are setup in act 1 coming back to factor into Gordon-Levitts arc. New ending is montage of Levitt story wrap up, and the Bruce scenes (who you haven't seen in an hour, and believed to be dead).
Everything to keep up the pacing, and give the movie that emotional drive that TDK nailed. As it stands (while I do like it) TDKR is too long, with too little happening.
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Saying that line was the only thing Bart did in his brief showbiz career. Tony says "I am Iron Man", what, twice?
Not really an example of an overused catchphrase.
I think it's Tony > Steve >>> Bruce. The ending to TDKR is the least sensical part to an already nonsensical movie. I would have put Steve over Tony but it comes way out of nowhere and feels like it needed more time in the movie.
I hated everything about Cap's, it was a massive, glaring blight on a pretty decent send off for the MCU. I'm kinda shocked so many like it.
I think Cap and Tony's endings are equally great for different reasons. I voted Tony, but still.
RDJ and Evans should have shared a spot, with a third option dedicated to Huge Jackman.
As perfectly as Cap and IM's final scenes are, I'd still give the edge to Bale/TDKR. His goodbye to Gordon single-handedly makes up for how messy the film is
As perfectly as Cap and IM's final scenes are, I'd still give the edge to Bale/TDKR. His goodbye to Gordon single-handedly makes up for how messy the film is
Y'know, Thanos...
I loved all 3 sendoffs so this is tough and i cared more about bruce wayne than the other 2 characters but Stark had the best sendoff of the 3
Jackmans wolverine should be in here. His was the best
Overall arcs? Bruce Wayne no question followed by stark and wolverine and then rogers i guess.
Jackmans wolverine should be in here. His was the best
Overall arcs? Bruce Wayne no question followed by stark and wolverine and then rogers i guess.
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Since Avengers 1, Tony struggled mentally with "is Iron Man good enough." Thus how he jeopardized everything in AoU. And from then on he's been an emotional wreck, losing Pepper, flipping out on Cap. And when Thanos came he was scared that Iron Man wasn't enough. And he wasn't, watching everyone (and his adopted son Pete) die as a result. Came back to Earth, flipped out one more time, then gave up.
Even in the final battle, he worriedly asks Strange if it was going to be ok. He wasn't sure it was enough.
"I am Iron Man" in End Game was his way of finally proving to himself that he had what it took to save the world. "And I" - the look on his face as he realizes he's going to lose his family... "am Iron Man" - face morphing into the determination of someone who finally found confidence that he could do it.
As he falls back against the wreckage he is able to force a little celebratory smile. I don't think that was for the people, or the world, I think that was for himself. He finally found peace of mind. He was finally able to rest. Iron Man was enough.
Goddamn the Russo's killed it with Tony.
Even in the final battle, he worriedly asks Strange if it was going to be ok. He wasn't sure it was enough.
"I am Iron Man" in End Game was his way of finally proving to himself that he had what it took to save the world. "And I" - the look on his face as he realizes he's going to lose his family... "am Iron Man" - face morphing into the determination of someone who finally found confidence that he could do it.
As he falls back against the wreckage he is able to force a little celebratory smile. I don't think that was for the people, or the world, I think that was for himself. He finally found peace of mind. He was finally able to rest. Iron Man was enough.
Goddamn the Russo's killed it with Tony.
The problem I have with Cap's one is that it felt minor coming immediately after the sacrifice of Tony, people were emotionally exhausted at that point. If it was done in the next movie it would have had a much higher Impact IMHO so id still choose Stark. Batman had the worst one by far for me
Gave it to iron man cause he died for his team. I liked Steve's ending but iron man went in knowing that he might not see his daughter again and sacrificed himself for everyone. Great character arc. No funny quips. No showboating as tony stark. Just a quick fuck you to thanos and he was out.
Coin flip between Tony and Steve. TDKR is nonsense and Bruce's ending is ridiculous. Almost makes more sense if he's Alfred's hallucination at the end.
It's hard to separate the two, I think. Tony starts as a supremely selfish man and by the end of Phase 3 has grown to be willing to sacrifice his life to save others. Steve starts as willing to sacrifice his life to save others, and by the end of Phase 3 has grown to be able to live life for himself. And they don't get there without each other. It's a nice parallel thread through the films.
It's hard to separate the two, I think. Tony starts as a supremely selfish man and by the end of Phase 3 has grown to be willing to sacrifice his life to save others. Steve starts as willing to sacrifice his life to save others, and by the end of Phase 3 has grown to be able to live life for himself. And they don't get there without each other. It's a nice parallel thread through the films.
Thats how I feel. Those movies make you feel emotional in a way I rarely feel in any of the Marvel movies.
Considering how many movies Endgame was supposed to wrap up I really didn't feel any emotion at all.
I think Cap's movies have the most emotion and might be the best of the Marvel movies (for me at least). Winter Soldier is such a great movie.
Yeah Steve had a great ending but while his ending was nice, I can't place it above Tony's sacrifice
but that's a great point about the parallel arcs
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Tony
but Steve too, someone I know defended the ending and I agree with it
Tony
but Steve too, someone I know defended the ending and I agree with it
Glad to see Nolanverse Bruce is dead last.
Dude could've had a great character arc but nope, TDKR decides he should spend the rest of of his life living it up with his criminal girlfriend in Europe with stolen money...
Dude could've had a great character arc but nope, TDKR decides he should spend the rest of of his life living it up with his criminal girlfriend in Europe with stolen money...
It's either Cap or Tony.
The selfless man who finally did something for himself and the selfish man who made the ultimate sacrifice for everyone else.
The selfless man who finally did something for himself and the selfish man who made the ultimate sacrifice for everyone else.
I also voted Bruce in TDK trilogy because of this. I assumed OP meant just their respective trilogies.
I'd put Cap and Tony as roughly equal. I gave the edge to Tony since he actually died and all.
TDKR ending was dumb. I just hated that film, it didn't seem Nolan's heart was in it.
And Logan was just a sendoff, he died(finally), "So that's what it feels like". I didn't feel like there was much of an arc to Logan's character but that's on the disjointed movies from Fox.
TDKR ending was dumb. I just hated that film, it didn't seem Nolan's heart was in it.
And Logan was just a sendoff, he died(finally), "So that's what it feels like". I didn't feel like there was much of an arc to Logan's character but that's on the disjointed movies from Fox.
I like Cap's the best because while "selfless sacrifice" is and oldie-and-goodie for capping off an arc, especially for a selfish character like Tony, making a satisfying conclusion to a borderline-messianic character where he doesn't sacrifice himself is so much more novel and difficult to do.
Like they could have had Cap make a sacrifice play, and that would have been "fine" in a completely expected and boring sort of way, but they went for the brass ring and they grabbed it. Tons of love for that.
Like they could have had Cap make a sacrifice play, and that would have been "fine" in a completely expected and boring sort of way, but they went for the brass ring and they grabbed it. Tons of love for that.
looking at it, he was batman for like two years at most lmao
Bruce is deaaaaad last on this one. I didn't like how they ended him. They could have gone the anonymous route a better way. But him just sitting there in the open? Nah. I didn't buy the whole "recluse the world forgot" thing at all. I hated that setup.
I liked Ironman too, but I felt more for Steve Rogers. Him going back and living his life then growing old was great.
I liked Ironman too, but I felt more for Steve Rogers. Him going back and living his life then growing old was great.
Bruce's ending in TDKR and it's not even close. I've watched TDKR about half a dozen times and the ending still gives me shivers.
I thought RDJ's was too dragged out between his actual death and the hologram message.
Chris Evans' ending caught me by surprise and it owned.
Chris Evans' ending caught me by surprise and it owned.
I look at Tony and Caps arcs as one central arc at the heart of the MCU. Two arcs that had the biggest ripple effect in the MCU and were on the same spectrum on polar opposite ends.
It's hard for me to look at their arcs separately when they both made each other better and relied heavily on each other in their respective arcs.
That whole, "resentment is corrosive and I hate it" scene between Tony and Cap was some real shit. And was probably my favorite scenes between the two (wish it was shot better though, Jesus lol). But it really shows how much they pushed each other to grow and how wrong people are when they pick a side in CW.
So when I look at the 10 or so years spent on Tony and Cap I have to go with those send offs. Even if in believe Nolan's movies aside from TDKR are better than 90% of MCU films.
Their endings to me were better than the meandering exposition of what Gotham does it doesn't need or what Batman stands for that Nolan would make us sit through but. Gotham is its own character and sometimes Nolan just went overboard with it. TDKR's twist pretty much ruins Bruce's arc for me and the corny Robin shoe in.
Bane presented the perfect opportunity to send off Batman with a bang but the only bang we got was him banging Talia who was somehow responsible for everything? Jesus. Of all the ways to tie in Ras again they went with that.
It's hard for me to look at their arcs separately when they both made each other better and relied heavily on each other in their respective arcs.
That whole, "resentment is corrosive and I hate it" scene between Tony and Cap was some real shit. And was probably my favorite scenes between the two (wish it was shot better though, Jesus lol). But it really shows how much they pushed each other to grow and how wrong people are when they pick a side in CW.
So when I look at the 10 or so years spent on Tony and Cap I have to go with those send offs. Even if in believe Nolan's movies aside from TDKR are better than 90% of MCU films.
Their endings to me were better than the meandering exposition of what Gotham does it doesn't need or what Batman stands for that Nolan would make us sit through but. Gotham is its own character and sometimes Nolan just went overboard with it. TDKR's twist pretty much ruins Bruce's arc for me and the corny Robin shoe in.
Bane presented the perfect opportunity to send off Batman with a bang but the only bang we got was him banging Talia who was somehow responsible for everything? Jesus. Of all the ways to tie in Ras again they went with that.
Lame answer, but I thought all three were done really well. If I had to pick one, I guess I might say Cap, but partly because I'm impressed by just the premise of it. Passing the torch or sacrificing yourself to save the world are things other heroes have done and that you'd also expect of heroes. But a superhero, let alone Captain America, choosing to make the selfish decision to finally live a life of his own -- after a lifetime of living in service of others -- was imo an atypical story choice and a completely perfect one. It also helps that Steve has the final moment of the film, so Endgame really closes out on his arc.
TDKR was a messier movie than Endgame, but it really sticks the landing for itself and the whole trilogy. I really like that Bruce finds peace in his life, and I suspect a lot of people rejected the ending altogether because the idea of Batman just giving up is anathema to them. But it fits with Nolan's depiction of Bruce Wayne, as someone who felt obligated to be Batman but wanted to hang it up and live a life of his own someday. I liked that achieving this meant sort of unlearning the lessons of the first two movies, re-embracing fear and a desire to live.
I rewatched Logan last week and it is really great, and I agree Jackman's Wolverine belongs in this convo (though I'd definitely put his fourth out of the four), but it was kind of a bummer that he basically spends the whole last act of the movie passing out over and over again lol
TDKR was a messier movie than Endgame, but it really sticks the landing for itself and the whole trilogy. I really like that Bruce finds peace in his life, and I suspect a lot of people rejected the ending altogether because the idea of Batman just giving up is anathema to them. But it fits with Nolan's depiction of Bruce Wayne, as someone who felt obligated to be Batman but wanted to hang it up and live a life of his own someday. I liked that achieving this meant sort of unlearning the lessons of the first two movies, re-embracing fear and a desire to live.
I rewatched Logan last week and it is really great, and I agree Jackman's Wolverine belongs in this convo (though I'd definitely put his fourth out of the four), but it was kind of a bummer that he basically spends the whole last act of the movie passing out over and over again lol
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Yep. What an awful way to end trilogy. Watched the movie again two months ago and it's worse than I first remembered. A clumsy poorly edited film that just shits on all of its characters and ends on a wet slippery fart.
Batman begins is still the best of the three. Heath ledgers joker saved the dark knight.
As for the poll, it's iron man.
Batman is just so stupid it should not even be on this poll.
Captain America's left so many questions unanswered. Like how could he even return the Soul Stone, for example.
So I guess that left Tony's for me.
Captain America's left so many questions unanswered. Like how could he even return the Soul Stone, for example.
So I guess that left Tony's for me.