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Who else is relieved that we won't have to play as a gruff, white male in Nioh 2?
- Thread starter ScOULaris
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Very happy to not have a Caucasian protagonist. Even better if we can not shoehorn cartoon Brit villains randomly into the mix. Shit was like an episode of Monkeydust.
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Yeah. It was fucking TERRIBLE at conveying any semblance of a story or connective tissue between a seemingly random series of events. What a mess.
I think the saints row series does it best, there is a character creator but the character themselves are fully fleshed out
Personally, i dont really care as long as the game itself is interesting. Nioh wouldnt change for me even if the main character looked differently. I think it was cool that they with William Adams however, since then i learned about the real history around it (which i didnt know about before checking into Nioh). I bought Nioh at day 1 (i think, or at least very early), and i'm looking forward to Nioh 2 as well :)
William didn't ruin Nioh for me or anything, but he definitely limited my enjoyment quite a bit. There wasn't nearly enough 'there there' for me to become invested in him as a character. When that happens my internal role-playing suffers, if it's present at all, and I care a lot less about gear, fashion, developing a character, making them my own, etc... all of which are major aspects of love for Souls/Soul-Adjacent games and many 3rd Person RPGs in general.
Okay, now THIS game I would play. But he would have to do the voice.
Who doesn't like a white guy being better than the locals? saving them? getting the girls? Tom Cruise for life yo'
I'd say that we get that about as often as we don't, so I'd still stand by having options being better.
I feel like 9 time out of 10, the presence of a preconstructed character is done almost solely for marketing than it is for any real storytelling or world building. That's not always the case, obviously, but there are a ton of games where "protagonist A" really has just as little to do with or speak for the world they're fighting with or against, and making that character customizable serves the same purpose.
I was fine with William, but I think that's mostly because the protagonist being a gruff white dude (based on someone that actually existed) is unique given the first game's setting (feudal Japan) and the story that they wanted to tell. In general, gruff white protagonists are a tired trope, but I was OK with it in context.
It would have been cooler if we got a game where Yasuke was the protagonist instead though.
It would have been cooler if we got a game where Yasuke was the protagonist instead though.
Yeah all of those people Tom Cruise saved in The Last Samurai. Oh wait they all died.
Does't matter, he was the most japanese and Samurai of them all.
I mean, you could play as different skins in Nioh as well, even though technically you were still William.
nioh.wiki.fextralife.com
So if you held yourself back from playing Nioh because "lolgruffwhiteguy", then just know you held yourself back from a great game that already gave you the option to not play as him (eventually).
Skins | nioh Wiki
Skins Guide for Nioh. Skins Information, cost, requirements and walkthrough for Nioh
So if you held yourself back from playing Nioh because "lolgruffwhiteguy", then just know you held yourself back from a great game that already gave you the option to not play as him (eventually).
I'll never quite understand this type of thinking. Nioh's story was literally an abridged and fantastical take on actual people and events in Japanese history and legends, mixed in with the supernatural as the protagonist and his main rival(s) clashed over magical stone macguffins and demons. It certainly wasn't high art, but I wouldn't consider it "bad", either.
At worst, the game doesn't go out of its way to explain why you or the MC should know or care about Oda Nobunaga, Tokugawa Ieyasu, the Battle of Sekigahara, or the significance of any of them (though the in-game glossary exists if you're that interested). Or maybe that was their intention, considering William's "outsider" status.
I swear people didn't actually watch the movie... Ken Watanabe's character WAS the titular Last Samurai.
Not Tom Cruises character.
There were tons of real life historical Japanese figures in the first Nioh, so it's not the representation there was lacking. The only white characters were William, Kelley, and Maria I think? It doesn't seem that weird that in a game where they used all these real life figures that using one in William is odd. More options are always welcome though, and Nioh 2 remedies this.
If my protagonist is now a silent, make your own boring character with zero personality, then no I dont agree.
I also thought it was awesome how it was based on a real person, learned some history from all that
I also thought it was awesome how it was based on a real person, learned some history from all that
What, I said tapole dicks. William is a tadpole dick. I'm just saying, Kalentan.
I liked William, he was a perfectly fine "gruff" white male. Gruff, white and male and not qualities that deter me from liking a character, in the same way I'm not repelled by female or dark skinned qualities.
I also find it weird to see people saying they skipped a game because of the characters skin color. That's just f'ed up, or sad even :/
Didn't mind him but wish he had been a bit more of an actual character considering he was a fixed character
And I mean skins existed.
Hopefully Nioh 2 doesn't have a weird silent protag feel. Thankfully it seems like other characters might make up for it. Quite like the guy in the Kamaitachi intro
And I mean skins existed.
Hopefully Nioh 2 doesn't have a weird silent protag feel. Thankfully it seems like other characters might make up for it. Quite like the guy in the Kamaitachi intro
I thought it was cool to have an Irish character in a game, it wasn't true to the actual historical fella, but the use of the Irish language at the beginning of the game really tickled me. I also liked the Stranger in a Strange Land aspect of the game. But I can see where you're coming from OP
Absolutely.
William wasn't too bad as far as set protagonists go though.
William didn't bother me. The created protagonist is less exciting to me, but it's not like William said that much in the first game to begin with.
I would vastly prefer just a NEW set protagonist who had a bit more of a personality than William did.
I would vastly prefer just a NEW set protagonist who had a bit more of a personality than William did.
Tomoe Gozen wasn't alive during the time period of Nioh though?I didn't play the first one because it was not Tomoe Gozen.
Yep, totally different era if Nioh is in 1600 ;)
I was just making fun that the white samurai man thing does not appeal to me at all (like the movie there was at some point) by noting a dream character of mine.
I truly wish i could play a Tomoe Gozen challenging game... it would be very inspiring i think if done proper justice.
I liked William well enough, but in 100% of cases with games like this, I'll play a woman character, so the fact that I don't have to grind a butt-ton of Points when the feature is patched in to add a female skin (that's armor-locked at that), I'm all for it. I even liked his look, tbh.
The fact that he was a set character helped ground the narrative in a sense, but I'm willing to give that up for character customization in a souls game though.
The fact that he was a set character helped ground the narrative in a sense, but I'm willing to give that up for character customization in a souls game though.
the first came with ps plus so I'l definitely check that out. For number 2 I'll create a black samurai based off of Yasuke and myself!
I definitely get that! It's a shame that the biggest representation of her has been in Persona of all series.
IDK, is that "anglo" enough for you?
lol
Looks kinda like Takayuki Yamada tbh
This and this. Glad someone said it.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
I wouldn't say relieved. William was alright, though it was kind of dumb that rescuing his spirit waifu was his motivation. I liked his Irish accent, too. If we need to have more white main characters, I'd at least like for them to have thick Scottish, Irish, Australian, or Southern accents. Character creation is neat, though.
I absolutely hate Character Creators and it's almost always a dealbreaker, so no. Predetermined characters always.