White supremacists on par with ISIS as ‘top threat,’ FBI director says at Captiol riot hearing
FBI has no evidence of ‘fake Trump protesters’ precipitating violence at 6 January Capitol riot
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White supremacists on par with ISIS as ‘top threat,’ FBI director says at Captiol riot hearing
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I'd say white nationalists pose a greater immediate threat given that they are internal and homegrown.
ISIS has no chance of usurping our democracy. The Proud Boys and their ilk are looking to do precisely that.
ISIS has no chance of usurping our democracy. The Proud Boys and their ilk are looking to do precisely that.
ultimately if things are allowed to boil over, which I see no reason its not, we're dealing with nazis who want to round up minorities and kill them. They just haven't, yet. Its more dangerous because ISIS does not have deeply entrenched white supremacy to support it. We all know full well if it was brown people doing anything remotely close to any of this, they'd be hung in the street by noon. With these people? The law simply isn't applied equally, and justice has a severe blind spot, if not just willing. Im not sure.
We're witnessing the nazification of our nation in real time, and nothing is being done because boys will be boys you know? 0 largescale repercussions for this group ever. The bar of tolerance just keeps getting pushed lower. They are as a group, totally unchecked.
ISIS at least has to hide out from the mainstream / law enforcement / society.
The new nazis dont even wear masks to hide their identity. let that sink in.
We're witnessing the nazification of our nation in real time, and nothing is being done because boys will be boys you know? 0 largescale repercussions for this group ever. The bar of tolerance just keeps getting pushed lower. They are as a group, totally unchecked.
ISIS at least has to hide out from the mainstream / law enforcement / society.
The new nazis dont even wear masks to hide their identity. let that sink in.
Soooooo....lock them up maybe? It should be clear as day to the FBI who is involved in online white supremacy groups. Just target them, and take them out. White supremacy (or any ideology) can't exist in a bubble. Track and lock down any white supremacists online gathering spaces and lock up all their leaders and organizers. They are very open and public about who they are. This shouldn't be difficult.
Christian Extremists have killed more Americans since the 80's (let alone the height of white supremacist BS before the Civil Rights era) than Muslim Extremists have. Oklahoma City, the dozens of black church and synagogue attacks, attacks on gays, abortion clinics, the list goes on and on.
They are doing stuff though. People are being jailed all over the place for the capitol riots and the research on those people will lead to more understanding of the current situation.
Also they probably had blinders put over them for ohhhh the past 4 years for some reason, on this particular subject
Edit: tho I know you didn't literally mean masks, the formal wear they use to get on CNN is even a pretty distinctive Neo Nazi Formal style since they are just copying each other's dress styles without forethought.
I guess what I'm saying is, there's eyes on every angle of this
Edit 2: yes, longer than 4 years but in particular, the past 4
Generations more like. And now that they've barely caught up to the marginalized people who've been pointing this out since the birth of this country, how many more generations till they do something about it? Or do they need to keep pretending BLM is somehow the same as the KKK for a while longer?
White Nationalists have killed more Americans than any other group in history and it isn't close. Just look at the Civil War.
If they are an equal threat, why not officially level them terrorists and round them up? They would round up ISIS members if they were found in the US.
They're comparable to ISIS at its height in the parts of the world where, you know, ISIS is.
As far as domestic terrorism is concerned they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of ISIS. Killed more citizens here than they have US soldiers abroad too!
DHS has issued the same statement like clockwork for quite a few years now starting sometime during the Obama admin if not earlier. It's nothing new for people who have been paying attention. But it is good to get it on the congressional record.
by the time they 'understand it' lol, what is to understand? Ask a black friend. Or asian. or anyone of color in the USA specifically....
By that time you've got that insane majorie woman and hawley running the country, while they're still wondering why white people aren't representative demographically in America in prisons. They didn't even have protection for the capitol. Yet, its immediately there for people protesting police brutality.
Its the way the system is programmed. That is why they are a bigger threat than ISIS, eventually. 70 million americans are OK with this. That is support that isis does not enjoy.
lmfao, oh now they're doing something? fuck outta here. going after a few ringleaders isn't doing anything. and isn't completely cognizant of the real severity of the problem here.
there's a major political party that played a big part in inciting all of this and is still lying about it. and we're to believe they have a real handle on this?
no, they don't. this is beyond ISIS. These are ppl fearful about becoming minority and will go to extreme means to ensure that doesn't become a reality. Including upending every democratic ideal we have if they don't get their way. They already fought a war about it, they'll do it again.
As others have said, a real reckoning would involve real self-examination into various institutions and pillars of power and that won't happen.
there's a major political party that played a big part in inciting all of this and is still lying about it. and we're to believe they have a real handle on this?
no, they don't. this is beyond ISIS. These are ppl fearful about becoming minority and will go to extreme means to ensure that doesn't become a reality. Including upending every democratic ideal we have if they don't get their way. They already fought a war about it, they'll do it again.
As others have said, a real reckoning would involve real self-examination into various institutions and pillars of power and that won't happen.
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The cowards know that would mean implicating a lot of people in the very institutions they're in or work alongside & even all the way down to people they may have direct personal relationships with.
Beyond even Jan 6th, there's an abundance of evidence showing how many former & current law enforcers, government employees, politicians, etc. or relatives thereof either endorse or directly participate in these violent & harassing anti-black, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-feminist, pro-straight, white Christian supremacist groups.
Shit like this is silly. Oh, they didn't use the specific words you were looking for so you it doesn't count.
As if white supremacists don't include MAGA, aren't more widespread than MAGA, and haven't existed for significantly longer than MAGA
Also for people mentioning white supremacists are a bigger threat than ISIS, the article is what actually compares the two. The crux of it is just that white supremacists have been elevated to the top priority level that also includes ISIS.
And we know the FBI is considering MAGA to be white supremecists how?
Yep. White supremacy has killed far far more American citizens on American soil than all other terror ideologies combined.
Because the FBI Director specifically mentioned the Capitol attack
Exactly, actions speak louder than words. Put your money where your mouth is & do something about it. Or just don't bother saying shit about it.
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Always good to hear, again, one of the most obvious and easily seen facts in this shithole country. And as always, the question is: "what are you going to do about it then?"
Next question is what are they going to do with all these white supremacist terrorists embedded in local police and the FBI? We just came out of a year where a bunch of stormtrooping cops have been knocking the heads of peaceful protestors.
If white supremacy is on par with ISIS, then we need to look at the police and start overhauling. Imagine if an entire cop force in some city was full of ISIS members who had the legal authority to murder you and your family and friends and be rewarded for it in some cases, or at the least never suffer a single repercussion for lynching your ass in the street, even if caught on camera.
Next question is what are they going to do with all these white supremacist terrorists embedded in local police and the FBI? We just came out of a year where a bunch of stormtrooping cops have been knocking the heads of peaceful protestors.
If white supremacy is on par with ISIS, then we need to look at the police and start overhauling. Imagine if an entire cop force in some city was full of ISIS members who had the legal authority to murder you and your family and friends and be rewarded for it in some cases, or at the least never suffer a single repercussion for lynching your ass in the street, even if caught on camera.
I'm not convinced. You can still compartmentalize and separate MAGA and the capitol attack apart from each other.
I want to say things but Slayven will likely ban my tush as it may fall beyond the ToS.
So I shall provide a gentle reminder that some of the biggest reasons why vanilla ISIS are dangerous as they are has to do with the following:
So I shall provide a gentle reminder that some of the biggest reasons why vanilla ISIS are dangerous as they are has to do with the following:
- They are part of the majority (in US and in the West in generally) racial demographics and that means
- There is an inherent blind spot in the white community and a consequent benefit of doubt because of the whiteness of these perps and would-be perps that would have been missing if they were perceived to be of the "others".
- The blind spot provides greater ease of access to sensitive areas and/or items before arousing suspicion.
- White folks do not want to be associated with terrorism akin to a synonym like muslims openly were for a long time after 9/11. Of course, neither the muslims, nor the Japanese in US during WW2, nor the Chinese circa early 1900s who were immigrating to US nor the blacks since their forced displacement into the US, had that privilege of escaping some defining pejorative characteristic given by the whites that dehumanized them. Consequently, aside from a few exceptions, the narrative of the lone wolf either with or without some tragic backstory for the white instigator is the comfort food for the majority demographic.
- The Republican Party is now an openly undemocratic institution and has members within its ranks that have and are still leveraging support of the Q-anon (alt-right) and white nationalists.
- The GQP also, per the article, is in full deflection mode:
- The GOP and Fox news continue to the play the persecution card on behalf of the white folks, as well as lie and gaslight the consequences of their actions by renaming events and terrorists while delegitimizing the woes faced by the victims of said fallout.
- For a long time white supremacists have infiltrated Law enforcement, which, courtesy of Qualified Immunity, has enabled grotesque and at times murderous abuse of power against various minorities for decades without notable consequences, thanks to a largely corrupt and/or overwhelmed logistical backend. Essentially, if you are white and want to torture and/or kill minorities, being a Police officer provides a legal and stress free pathway to it.
- The money- From the whites, for the whites (in the West). Or more specifically keeping classism alive and well by lobbying/funding candidates who can, on their behalf, stifle socio-economic progress amidst rising inflation and hurt the ever growing bottom line for the few. And per demographics, PoC are comparatively much worse off (esp. blacks and latinx folks). Wealth gap feeds classism which feeds racism (and all kinds of bigotries).
More dangerous than ISIS for the mere fact that White Nationalists enjoy federal and state employment. Jihadi John ain't running a US police division.
Expect Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham to complain about it tonight on their shows. They've been really angry about the Biden admin wanting to go after white supremacists.
This is my position. I'm just making the strangest fucking face at people just realizing this now in 2021.
Like we been lying about this shit the whole time...
White people will never acknowledge the danger of white people. They can't self-reflect on their race as a whole because they have been allowed to be so individualistic, unlike how they force every black person to carry the weight of representing the entire race at every moment.
Thus the "bad seed" mentality.