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White House tells House Democrats in eight-page letter it will not comply with impeachment inquiry, calling it "illegitimate and unconstitutional"
- Thread starter chadskin
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Trump just declared himself king, and constitutionalist republicans will gladly stand behind him
Why would they? Polling is on their side and Republicans are even warming up to it. Trump doing this will only convince more people of his guilt.
Obstruction and contempt are impeachable offenses. So if they don't come they're just piling onto the charges
This is where I come down.
Respect and keep the law or prepared to be taken by it. He's not being asked to do anything cruel or unusual. All this bitching and moaning about simply being asked to tell the truth is absurd. How did we end up with a petulant toddler in the highest position in the country.
To tack onto this response, this isn't a bad overview of why things are different now. Republicans gave the House committees subpoena powers that they didn't used to have, and got rid of the need to consult with the minority on those subpoenas. Previously, the resolutions to open impeachment inquiries would include special subpoena powers for the involved committees.
So basically the Democrats don't need a formal vote giving them and the Republicans on the committees subpoena powers, since previous congresses decide to give the majority party subpoena powers all the time anyway. They apparently forgot they would not have the majority forever.
Again, what vote count is needed when no vote is required in the first place?
you can when you have 2/3 senators and 40 percent of Americans smiling along with you
I don't think they'd vote on party lines at all. There isn't any ambiguity for them to play with, either in the constitution or precedent
The Dems should hit 'em with one of the rights favorite questions, "if you don't have anything to hide why are you worried?" Then subpoena all of the clowns. If they fail to comply, fucking arrest them.
Though the Dems are spineless so Nancy will probably write a strongly worded letter and be done with it.
Though the Dems are spineless so Nancy will probably write a strongly worded letter and be done with it.
The thing is the document that they put out doesn't say they'd cooperate if they hold the vote. Really, it's the opposite, if they hold the vote the White House will just say "SEE!? THIS WAS A PARTISAN DEM ONLY WITCH HUNT! A COUPLE OF DEMS EVEN VOTED AGAINST THE INQUIRY! WIIIIITTTTTCCCCHHHH HUNT!" and then just continue to not give evidence until he's taken to court.
They realize that this doesn't matter, right? The Dems can still press forward and use this as fuel for an obstruction claim. Just makes them look guilty as fuck.
For the first time since that fucker's inauguration, I'm actually having fun.
For the first time since that fucker's inauguration, I'm actually having fun.
They don't have to. Again, the White House can't stop an impeachment inquiry. It's literally built into the goddamn constitution. If the White House could stop an impeachment don't you think Nixon or Clinton would've done that?
You honestly think Kavanaugh or Thomas and (probably) Gorsuch or Alito are going to put the Supreme Court over the Republican party?
This. The reason for votes in the past was to obtain subpoena power. But when the GOP were last in control of the House they changed the rule such that the House majority automatically has subpoena power. The Democrats are following the rules the GOP themselves set up and are still getting stonewalled by the GOP.
Time to break out the Sergeant at Arms and the Capitol Police to arrest and indefinitely detain people until they comply with subpoenas.
Hell, subpoena Trump himself to testify in person.
Hell, subpoena Trump himself to testify in person.
I'm not who you're replying to, but as a majority, yes, I believe the Supreme Court would. They have a shitload of power, are in lifetime appointments, and they're not about to transfer it to the Executive Branch.
Is this post for real? The Dems are currently doing an impeachment inquiry...
It will have to come down to the courts. Unless the judicial branch decides to throw out the constitution
I dont think that would be the case- party or not there is no precedent or grounds in the constitution to do so. However, if they did vote along party lines and tell Trump he is correct they would effectively nullify Congress oversight into the Executive Branch and then you may as well shred the constitution.
Looking forward to the "White House declares 2020 Democrat victory illegitimate in 15 part tweet storm, Trump refuses to leave" thread next year
The House is fighting a PR battle as much as they are a legal one. Republicans get this, it's why they will stonewall at every turn, distort the powers of the executive branch and poison the debate until any momentum behind impeachment is reversed. The vote is a card that Dems can play to "legitimize" the proceedings and raise the stakes higher, whether it is technically required or not. It's all getting tied up in the courts either way.
Yes. His name is Paul Irving.
They can keep going with the impeachment. You don't have to have a President show up to investigate him.
Tell the Legislature and Judiciary to go fuck themselves is how you de facto stop an inquiry.
I get that. My question is what vote count are the GOP looking for? A vote isn't needed in the first place, so what vote% would shut them up?
So far no one has complied, it's the equivalent of do nothing. Not a single person is going to cooperate in the White House. This will stalemate untill someone actually gets arrested.