Trump's desire for toadies that suck up for him blowing up in his face. Then again, this would have been released eventually anyway.
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White House releases rough transcript of phone call with Ukrainian president Zelensky
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Don't give credence to debunked right wing conspiracy theories being pushed by Nazis because they hurt the candidate you don't like please.
It's more like, Republicans don't care about the rule of law and will protect Trump regardless, so, they don't care what it says.
no, he can still run, he has to be removed from office in the Senate
It's (barely) indirect bribery, the fact that so few seem to have a problem with this hurts my faith in humanity.
The fact that it's not just the leader that need rooms, but everyone that travels with him. Plus running up a tab in room service and whatever else you can charge for at his hotels. It's ridiculous.
There absolutely is, see the saudi patronage of Trump hotels as well and the "locked and loaded" tweet
It's a violation of the emoluments clause at the very least.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an unspoken rule that access to Trump is only granted to people and corporate entities that feed his business interests by staging at his hotels, honestly.
Trump in peril is bad for Biden Imo. His entire campaign is about returning to normalcy with Trump gone, so if he's not a factor, it makes his case weaker
Trump's been using the government as a personal piggybank since the day he won the election (no joke, he raised membership prices to his clubs). The dude wipes his ass with the emoluments clause.
I dunno, it might have something to do with Dems only regaining control of the house 9 months ago...
Because this one is direct evidence of him attempting to illegally rig the 2020 election? This doesn't make anyone look good. It will shift the focus of the election from things like healthcare gun control and jobs (Places where Dems are strong) to a referendum on Trump. It nationalizes congressional elections when Democrats would be much better off with elections having a local focus.
Impeachment is a dangerous and polarizing path that you only go down when you think it's the only way to protect the Republic. Let's leave the takes about "publicity" and "PR" to the cable news pundits.
The Biden corruption conspiracy theories that Trump is trying to manufacture. The entire reason this whole thing is happening.
Yeah, seems like a foregone conclusion at this point, and probably one of his first, earliest unwritten/unspoken policies that he implemented.
Basically you're saying that you want trump to be right about biden (which is just another alt right conspiracy theory , ruining his chances against him, mean while strengthening trumps chances at re-election.
AKA if you like it or not, chances are biden v trump is your 2020 election
I don't know nor do I care. I just want Trump fucked and Biden to not win.
It probably won't do anything. Biden's base is unshakable this far.
Yeah, foreign dignitaries abusing Trump properties was basically the first investigation started anywhere.
Mueller was also very interested in Ukrainian investment into Trump:
People mistakenly believe none of this is related to Mueller's investigations. But it all connects. It always connects.
I'd say no effect, its both "he's scared of Biden" and "Biden is probably compromised to some degree"
I don't care if it's true or not about Biden. I just want Trump fucked and Biden to not win.
Trump does not live in reality. The only reason he's even gotten this far is because he almost exclusively lies and our broken political system doesn't have a contingency plan for shitty white dudes simply refusing to cooperate.
They better do this shit immediately. If they hold off then it just lessens the meaning of it. We got lucky that Trump did this and we didn't have to try for something that was "settled".
Trump bringing Biden down with him through their antagonistic interdependence feels poetic, like some kind of Reichenbach Falls of stupidity.
The political inevitability of an Impeachment was set two days ago. Don't need to be a time traveler to see it.
Are you an idiot? Impeachment does not mean removal from office.
Probably posted already, but just GOP things:
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Manu Raju @mkraju
Kevin McCarthy said he hadn't read the transcript shortly after its release this morning, but contended that it was the Ukraine president who brought up the Bidens first. Transcript shows it was Trump who brought up Biden.
1:41 PM - Sep 25, 2019
Ashley Parker @AshleyRParker
This morning, the White House invited a dozen Republican lawmakers to the White House to review the transcript before it was released to the public -- and to discuss among themselves and ask questions of White house officials. At one point, Trump called in from New York. (1/2)
11:41 AM - Sep 25, 2019
Ashley Parker @AshleyRParker
Among the invited Republican lawmakers: Representatives Liz Cheney, Doug Collins, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy, Mark Meadows, Devin Nunes + Steve Scalise. And Senators Capito, Cramer, Johnson, Perdue + Risch https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/1176884380226248709 …
11:42 AM - Sep 25, 2019
Kevin McCarthy said he hadn't read the transcript shortly after its release this morning, but contended that it was the Ukraine president who brought up the Bidens first. Transcript shows it was Trump who brought up Biden.
1:41 PM - Sep 25, 2019
Ashley Parker @AshleyRParker
This morning, the White House invited a dozen Republican lawmakers to the White House to review the transcript before it was released to the public -- and to discuss among themselves and ask questions of White house officials. At one point, Trump called in from New York. (1/2)
11:41 AM - Sep 25, 2019
Ashley Parker @AshleyRParker
Among the invited Republican lawmakers: Representatives Liz Cheney, Doug Collins, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy, Mark Meadows, Devin Nunes + Steve Scalise. And Senators Capito, Cramer, Johnson, Perdue + Risch https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/1176884380226248709 …
11:42 AM - Sep 25, 2019
republicans actually believe this transcript is a good look. They live on a different plane.
Some stupid people like myself didn't realize impeachment doesn't require breaking the law. Please forgive my ignorance.
no, it's just that Zelensky would have been prepared to suck Trump's dick on the call in order to get the withheld funding restored
they only started an inquiry, not impeachment proceedings. You're off track, dude.
Impeachment starts with an inquiry. You don't just go vote.
And the fact that Pelosi has directed all 6 committees to investigate and report their findings shows that this isn't being done half assed.
As far as public opinion go, I dont think that changes much. Who still support him is the people that are "tired of politics" and believe the "drain the swamp" thing, think he does great things etc etc. I think it is easily twistable for him to make it look like he was just trying to "get to the bottom of it" and even make Biden the one bad in the situation - not to everybody, but to the people that still like him. No idea how this influences any Impeach vote, but I doubt this is enough to flip Republican votes.
Let's see how it goes.
Let's see how it goes.
I guess my real question is, does this cause people to flock back to Biden in the dem primary because they feel the need to defend?
The thing is, we all know that Trump has broken many laws already but nothing fucking happened to him and people don't seem to give a shit. This shit with the Ukraine is simple enough for people to understand that Trump definitely did break the law but you already got dumbasses saying that it's not entirely clear if he broke the law or not.
Either way, impeachment is Dems vs Repubs. Trump ain't getting removed by the Senate so it's just a war about which side can control the narrative better. The Dems with the obvious fucking truth, or the Repubs trying to defend their mob boss leader.
Either way, impeachment is Dems vs Repubs. Trump ain't getting removed by the Senate so it's just a war about which side can control the narrative better. The Dems with the obvious fucking truth, or the Repubs trying to defend their mob boss leader.
im glad you're at least admitting it has nothing to do with facts for you
Pretty sure it's an FEC (Federal Election Commission) violation. But would need to look more into myself.
Excellent information, thank you. This is the kind of information we should see on/in the news, but probably won't.
I doubt it. People have pretty much made up their mind on Biden at this point. He's going to win the primary but it's entirely because of his base. People who don't like him aren't going to jump to defend him from this shit.
Oh right, forgot about that.
I still remember this very forum being pretty incensed at Pelosi for not starting impeachment proceedings anytime in the last 9 months, but I digress. Happy this is happening but I dont have much hope