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Which Xbox One titles deserve a re-appraisal?
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in truth I was a little snappy about your OP I agree, but the very fact you completely dismiss the series straight out the gate (and the fact it's one of the top rated games on the systems) seems a little suspect, and as said above it's very frustrating that the series gets constantly looked over because "lol it's just a racing game bro" yet as someone else said there are posts all the time of "what's the equivalent of the Forza Horoizon series ?" and the opinion is the crew....which is just such a poor mans version of the games it's unreal.
So yes it's annoying to read posts that completely ignore the series, and there seems like no real reason to tell youto play it because you don't really like racing games. 🤷🏻♂️
OP, to describe it in a mature way with zero snark, Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon are two different series developed by two different developers. They share DNA in that they both have cars but they're different games.
To demonstrate one difference: Forza Horizon has a Battle Royale mode! And a LEGO world. That's how little of a traditional racing game it is.
To be honest, I figured you'd left out Horizon and Ori because they don't need 're-appraising'. They're generally considered top class in their respective genres.
To demonstrate one difference: Forza Horizon has a Battle Royale mode! And a LEGO world. That's how little of a traditional racing game it is.
To be honest, I figured you'd left out Horizon and Ori because they don't need 're-appraising'. They're generally considered top class in their respective genres.
Yup, it always had that quality waiting to be finally polished.
They said they're never doing something like that again, as it was a horrible thing to organize. But man I'm glad they did it and committed to fixing it.
It is a staple for anyone with an xbox one. Fantastic package.
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Yeah, this is what I thought at first too. Which would be fine, they are unanimously praised games.
what got my back up was saying "Xbox never got its BoTW moment" when my golly gosh it bloody well did!
Go ahead and play Forza Horizon 3, I mean the Hot Wheels expansion pack alone was mind blowing let alone the fact that it's on top of the base game which is phenomenal.
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I guess given every person I have ever interacted with who played the game, 86 feels low. But I'm not knowledgeable enough in fighting games so I can't give a compelling contention here.
Which Xbox One title do you think deserves a re-appraisal?
Okay.... I must have missed that, and even if that was the case, that's not the reality now.
You want to make a case, just say "Ori and the Will of the Wisps", which is currently only on the Xbox One console for the time being. I don't think it's weird to admit that many people's first exposure to Ori wasn't on Xbox though; it was with Nintendo. It's also the best-performing version of the game as well.
I'm sure they are, and all I know is "one is open-world" (to which I'm sure many Forza players can go "that's HUGE!"). Just as I'm sure the fact that Tony Hawk's American Wasteland is one big open-world level instead of the traditional levels is a game-changer for many (I assume). Sorry, I threw together a list of games and didn't include EVERY installment in the Forza series or subseries.
There's a reason I asked "did I overlook any"? It wasn't malicious. I just don't have interest in Forza and that's where my knowledge ended. If you think I should re-appraise my opinion of the Forza series, I created this thread for that very reason. Maybe make me a believer. I'm pretty open-minded, but my limited interest in the genre and demos of the game didn't convince me at the time that going open-world was the solution to my disinterest in the genre (which isn't to say I dislike racers - I quite enjoy F-Zero, Wipeout, Mario Kart, Crash Team Racing, Burnout, and Blur. Heck, I still get the itch to play Beetle Adventure Racing...)
I could have also included all the other missing games, from Crimson Dragon to Xbox Fitness to Zoo Tycoon. If something wasn't on my sample sheet, just speak up. I was asking if the games needed a re-appraisal in the first place and I've never heard of anyone really saying the Forza series needs that. The fans still like 'em and I haven't heard anyone in the entire console generation claim a Forza title was poorly received or too highly rated.
Link that its the best performing version?
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I love racing games. I mentioned earlier I play a significant amount of F-Zero, Wipeout, Mario Kart, Crash Team Racing, Blur, Burnout, and several others. I guess I should have clarified I'm less enthusiastic about the more "racing sim" genre, which (forgive this possible ignorance) was stuff like Forza Motorsport, Gran Turismo, Driveclub, Asphalt, Project Cars, etc.
I also threw the list together at, like, 5 am with a screaming baby as I tried to navigate a crashing metacritic website and photoshop franchise pictures and scores together for a good and encompassing list of titles. I knew at the start there would be some big glaring omissions that slipped my mind (seriously, I should have put Ori and the Will of the Wisps in there just to gush about it more).
A little of column A, a little of column B. Though I am woefully ignorant of the Forza series, I said earlier that I've never heard of any fans having any major issues with the series. I've never once come across a thread saying a Forza game was underrated or underappreciated (or, inversely, overrated and overhyped).
Straight from the developer.
There was a time when this meme was actually used by people to suggest the game was too goofy to be enjoyable.So I've been informed. Lol.
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Thanks. I try.
So which Xbox One titles do you think deserve a re-appraisal?
Sunset Overdrive is Top 10 Game of the Generation, I feel if it was on PS4 it would get the attention it deserves, it was much better than inFamous SS.
I'd rather have Sunset Overdrive 2 than Spider Man 2.
No wonder MS totally failed with exclusives this gen, what a boring list. Why would you need a re-appraisal of the very popular games Halo, Gears and Forza? Take out the Halo, Gears and Forza and it's only "Orange" or near Orange Metacritic scores. Quantum Break was an absolute borefest which came to me as a surprise after Alan Wake. TF2 improved upon TF1 in every way and it's a superior game.
And no there are no hidden gems lol, the library is too small for there to be anything hidden. The Xbone library is without a doubt the weakest library along with the Vita.
I'd rather have Sunset Overdrive 2 than Spider Man 2.
No wonder MS totally failed with exclusives this gen, what a boring list. Why would you need a re-appraisal of the very popular games Halo, Gears and Forza? Take out the Halo, Gears and Forza and it's only "Orange" or near Orange Metacritic scores. Quantum Break was an absolute borefest which came to me as a surprise after Alan Wake. TF2 improved upon TF1 in every way and it's a superior game.
And no there are no hidden gems lol, the library is too small for there to be anything hidden. The Xbone library is without a doubt the weakest library along with the Vita.
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I actually have heard quite a lot of divisive things about the Halo and Gears entries, particularly since both of them changed hands from their original studios and were continued past their original endings by brand new studios created solely to make more entries. I actually own copies of both Halo 5 and Gears 4 but haven't got around to trying them out yet, but the reception among the fans was mixed, even if they skewed positive.
I definitely think the recent Halo and Gears games are worth re-appraising now that more time has passed and growing pains have lessened.
outdated concepts like progression? I think it still would be better with some kind of progression system but everyone loves it for sone reason.
They say it has 60fps sprites not that its the best performing. Its also max 1080p vs 4k on xb1x and pc.
shitty take
looks like OP does too
"Here's the list of the titles I felt were THE big console exclusives for the Xbox One and their metacritic scores:"
Leaves out Forza horizon and ORI
KI is one of the best fighting this gen, and the model of f2p was great, but hey it was a time where underestimate every single thing of XBO was acceptable.
Titanfall is a +90 an online masterpiece
State of Decay 2 is a great sleeper
Sunset overdrive is better than Halo 5 and Gears 4 and 5 by far.
That's was the problem of Xbox this gen, the quality of Halo, Gears and Forza Motorsport, too low and irrelevant entries. (Halo multiplayer was great). But I had a great time with the rest of games so I enjoyed more this gen than 360 (I only miss Fable, cause I replaced my love for Gears to Titanfall).
Titanfall is a +90 an online masterpiece
State of Decay 2 is a great sleeper
Sunset overdrive is better than Halo 5 and Gears 4 and 5 by far.
That's was the problem of Xbox this gen, the quality of Halo, Gears and Forza Motorsport, too low and irrelevant entries. (Halo multiplayer was great). But I had a great time with the rest of games so I enjoyed more this gen than 360 (I only miss Fable, cause I replaced my love for Gears to Titanfall).
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I don't consider resolution quite the same as gameplay performance (I take 60fps and solid performance every time on games that offer that or 30 fps 4K). Watching the performance comparison videos, the Switch version does indeed run at TWICE the animation at 60fps (it's a massive difference to my eyes) and also had fewer framerate hiccups (though all versions are extremely solid and masterfully crafted. We're talking a difference of rocksolid 60fps versus occasional dips into 58fps). It's also, as stated, just a more optimized version of the original game. That's normal given their experience with the engine and its sequel when porting the original.
I haven't compared it to Switch's undocked mode, however. I know that's always a sort of iffy area, but haven't heard any complaints.
I think Recore after all the updates is a pretty good game. It still has issues, but it's not nearly as bad as it was on release, and is a pretty unique thing.
They don't need re-appraisals but both Ori games often get overlooked. IMO they are better than any other exclusive this generation save BotW, Odyssey and Smash.
Overrated? Yes, imo.
Trash? It's hard to have an objectively wrong opinion about a game, but everyone should use this as the benchmark going forward.
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I would remove Blind Forest, since it's not really an Xbox console exclusive, but definitely keep Will of the Wisps.
Fixed it in Paint.
Well, I tried.
I also didn't include compilation or collections like Master Chief Collection or Rare Replay because they weren't technically "new" releases (though the amount of work put into MCC to polish it up I feel definitely leaves that open for re-appraisal given how bad its original reception was.
I most certainly never said Forza was garbage. Every statement in this thread has had me saying they're some of the best games on the system.
I admit I forgot Ori (too much time playing it on Switch lately) and have been duly educated on the Forza series. I also apologized for not being more inclusive of the other Forza games. I honestly shouldn't have included Forza in that list because, well, neither Ori or Forza really need re-appraisals, do they?
Seriously, I'm still legit surprised at the vitriol. Here I was expecting Gears or Halo fans to come at me for not instantly including the MCC or Gears Pop. I've learned the hard way that Horizon fans do NOT like having that series overlooked.
So its your opinion which is fair. Dont forget there is a definitive version on xb1 and pc as well. Not sure what you mean "just more optimized"
Its a great port for sure, regardless
And you continuing on about ori isnt a console exclusive!
It doesnt matter, it was literally published by MS who own the IP.
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Minecraft is owned and published by MS. I don't consider it an Xbox exclusive just because they publish it. Same as Cuphead (I still find it funny that Microsoft asked THEM to make the Switch version happen).
Again, if it bugs people that Ori isn't an Xbox-only franchise, just use the newer release as your example. That's still very much an exclusive. Not sure it needs a re-appraisal though.
Reappraisal? Certainly State of Decay 2, Sea of Thieves, and ReCore.
State of Decay 2 has arguably improved as much as Sea of Thieves. It's added a story mode. Loads of content.
Sea of Thieves has added tons of content since launch. Lack of content was like the main criticism at launch.
ReCore: Definitive Edition has fixed most launch criticisms as well. Loading times are much better, finally added the tank, and bugs have been fixed.
I think Halo Wars 2 deserves a much higher score. Best console rts ever made imo.
State of Decay 2 has arguably improved as much as Sea of Thieves. It's added a story mode. Loads of content.
Sea of Thieves has added tons of content since launch. Lack of content was like the main criticism at launch.
ReCore: Definitive Edition has fixed most launch criticisms as well. Loading times are much better, finally added the tank, and bugs have been fixed.
I think Halo Wars 2 deserves a much higher score. Best console rts ever made imo.
All this talk of Forza Horizon, here's my two cents: it's unique? I don't play a lot of racing games. You're all telling me nobody had the idea of "racing game in big open world" before, and nobody else has done that up to now? That seems like a slam dunk, an easy combination.
Killer Instinct absolutely deserved better. Not being on the platform that's used for every fighting game tournament probably killed a lot of momentum it could have had.
Killer Instinct absolutely deserved better. Not being on the platform that's used for every fighting game tournament probably killed a lot of momentum it could have had.
There are some games in the OP that I liked more than reviewers did, but I think the common complaints against them were pretty valid.
Quantum Break is one of my favorite games this generation, but the accompanying TV show is pretty damn bad. When that's a central aspect of the game, it's not going to review well. TV show aside, the gameplay is top-notch and pretty much everything I expect from Remedy.
Ryse: Son of Rome. Embarrassed to admit this was the game that made me want to get an Xbox One at launch. I've loved Roman history since I was young and I thought it was the best looking next-generation launch title. I think the story and graphics still hold up to this day, but the game was rightly criticized for its hollow gameplay.
Lastly, I think Sea of Thieves has made a huge turnaround. It was pretty bare-bones at release, even when its core gameplay was solid. Rare has done a wonderful job expanding the game. I know people talk about the water in Sea of Thieves looking stunning, but I don't think it gets enough praise for how beautiful the rest of the game looks.
Quantum Break is one of my favorite games this generation, but the accompanying TV show is pretty damn bad. When that's a central aspect of the game, it's not going to review well. TV show aside, the gameplay is top-notch and pretty much everything I expect from Remedy.
Ryse: Son of Rome. Embarrassed to admit this was the game that made me want to get an Xbox One at launch. I've loved Roman history since I was young and I thought it was the best looking next-generation launch title. I think the story and graphics still hold up to this day, but the game was rightly criticized for its hollow gameplay.
Lastly, I think Sea of Thieves has made a huge turnaround. It was pretty bare-bones at release, even when its core gameplay was solid. Rare has done a wonderful job expanding the game. I know people talk about the water in Sea of Thieves looking stunning, but I don't think it gets enough praise for how beautiful the rest of the game looks.
one of the worst takes ive ever seen
Horizon is not "just a racing game"
Do some research
Ryse is the most glaring to me. Beautiful and gameplay is also tight on the harder difficulties. On steam it's a 9/10.
Yeah, no matter what selection of games you would've chosen. There would've been people commenting on it.
I think excluding FH3/FH4 and Ori BF and Ori WotW wasn't a problem. Those games don't require re-appraisal. As they're critically acclaimed all over the board. It all started to go down when you started about why you'd excluded them. Haha.
Anyway, I like the idea of this topic. So no need to trail off into offtopicness any longer.
As I said, Halo Wars 2 has improved upon the original release. It's still a console RTS, so it won't ever be regarded as one of the great strategy games for me. But I applaud CA for what they've done with the franchise. And I hope we return to the Spirit of Fire one day.
Honestly glad I boycotted the Xbox One this generation; after last gen's closures of Ensemble & Lionhead, Gears and Halo switching studios, and the loss of Bungie, the generation played out pretty much exactly as I expected, with Sea of Thieves and Halo Wars 2 seemingly the only pleasant surprises. As expected, Turn 10 (who make racing games), were Microsoft's only competent studio, which says it all really.
Now should be the turning point though, the new guy in charge is doing a great job and things should get substantially better next gen.
Edit - I adored State of Decay, how did they fuck up 2 so bad ffs.
Now should be the turning point though, the new guy in charge is doing a great job and things should get substantially better next gen.
Edit - I adored State of Decay, how did they fuck up 2 so bad ffs.
Boycott lol?
Lionhead's output was wack, although that's probably more to do with the fraud running the place than MS' ownership, although they could have potted PM, I guess.
Ensemble - I enjoyed HW and poured hours into the online, but studios don't get shuttered for nothing.
PM was not at lionhead anymore when they were developing legends.
I was sad they closed lionhead as it was a really stupid move at the time with no replacement lined up.
Now however its proven to be a good long term decision as Id expect a playground rpg team to do beter than the crew that was left at lionhead.
I wonder if pgg has hired any ex lionhead devs