Since Ozymandias and Hoba (Patlabor the Movie) were mentioned I'll throw in Treize Khushrenada from Gundam Wing.
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Which villain had the most successful schemes?
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Caius Ballad from FF XIII-2 and Lighting Returns. Get's to stop the cycle of death and rebirth for Yule and to live eternally with all but 1 iteration of her for all eternity.
Technically, it's his cult who succeeds, but obviously they couldn't have done that without him supernaturally helping all the time.
There is an X-men novel where Doom makes a cosmic cube, reshapes reality so that he rules the world, is loved by everyone, married to storm with twins, but to spice it up he makes it so Gambit is leading a few mutants in a cute little rebellion.
Sauron jobbed miserably. He couldn't take Helm's Deep, he couldn't take Minas Tirith, he couldn't even get his hands on two Hobbits in his own turf. He never came close to defeating men until they literally threw themselves at his gates and surrendered their lives in an obvious bid to distract him. Eru was so unmoved by the whole affair that he never bothered to intervene, save for sticking his ankle out behind Gollum.
Morgoth is a real winner, and he may yet get his.
I'm sure someone's said Se7en or The Usual Suspects. But those.
Also the original Saw was a doozy.
Also the original Saw was a doozy.
To be fair, Helms Deep was more Saruman's L to hold.
I dunno about jobbed. He conned Celebrimbor and then murdered the shit out of him. Dominated Middle Earth and the remaining Noldor to the point only the Numenoreans could stop him...and then he helped them sink their little island (and subsequently reshaped Arda).
I will absolutely concede his dumbass not just keeping half his army in Mordor and slow rolling everyone til he found the Ring.
As for Morgoth...not if Turin has anything to say about it :)
Sauron didn't try to take Helm's Deep, and the good guys required divine intervention (the wind) to barely eke out a win at Minas Tirith.
He would have taken the victory within weeks if Aragorn hadn't gone to the gates.
Not in Infinity War he doesn't. GOAT comic movie villian.
The story doesn't end at infinity war. He loses in the story. By that definition all villains succeed because hero stories generally follow the same path: hero does good, loses to bad guy, has a moment of growth, defeats bad guy in second round.
Thanos. There's a timeline where he sucessfully kills everything but himself, and gets foiled from doing that BY himself. And in the MCU he succeeds for 5 years, and if he'd just stashed the gauntlet in a locker or something instead of blowing it up they never would've found him.
Robotnik/Eggman succeeds in certain areas. In Forces he straight up defeats Sonic and takes over the world. In Sonic SatAM it starts with him having already taken over 90% of the planet
Kessler in InFamous.
Xanatos in Gargoyles. His schemes are convoluted he got his own trope on how he planned everything all along
Ozymandius in Watchmen. Totally got world peace.
In The Powerpuff Girls, Mojo Jojo eventually wins, and under his reign he ushers in world peace, ends world hunger, etc. Then he eventually gets bored and undoes it so he has something to do again.
jigsaw in Saw has also not lost. He died 3 movies in and the cops STILL can't catch him. Let that sink in.
Robotnik/Eggman succeeds in certain areas. In Forces he straight up defeats Sonic and takes over the world. In Sonic SatAM it starts with him having already taken over 90% of the planet
Kessler in InFamous.
As the future version of Cole his goal was to force Cole to grind for levels early on so he'd be strong enough to defeat the beast when it inevitably showed up.
Xanatos in Gargoyles. His schemes are convoluted he got his own trope on how he planned everything all along
Ozymandius in Watchmen. Totally got world peace.
In The Powerpuff Girls, Mojo Jojo eventually wins, and under his reign he ushers in world peace, ends world hunger, etc. Then he eventually gets bored and undoes it so he has something to do again.
jigsaw in Saw has also not lost. He died 3 movies in and the cops STILL can't catch him. Let that sink in.
can't argue with that. probably the only "bad guy wins" ending that wasn't particularly a bummer, it was like damn so they pulled that off. ain't even mad
Boy does he
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Goku Black? He pretty much did everything he set out to do in his timeline. It took Trunks doing another time traveling ass-pull to go cry to mommy and ask Jobber sr. For help. He was only defeated when the supreme god of all the multiverse erased his whole timeline.
I recall reading somewhere that Simon Gruber's plan in Die Hard 3 made the federal reserve go "oh shit, that would've actually worked, we gotta get our shit together"
I see so he's gotten into identity theft when will his wave of crime end!
Except something went wrong to have him where he starts in the film.
Raise you John Doe from Seven; that one was planned to perfection.
I mean, Thanos killed half of all life and that remained for 5 years until the Avengers cheated and found a level select to go back and undo the damage, so...
Yeah, I guess that's what happens when you make a realistic deconstruction of superheroes (also kind of funny that he's been mentioned by so many different names in the thread). It's arguable if he's a villain, especially in the comic where he's a genuinely gentle, kind, paternal older guy rather than a sneering obviously evil brat.
Horror films are kind of cheating since the villain wins in like 50% of them. In some cases, they win at ending the world.
If we're talking horror films I'd say The Witch is a pretty good one. Even the most devout of families cannot abstain from the influence of Black Phillip.
Kefka Palazzo from FFVI.
He does lose at the end... but at what cost. At. What. Fucking. Cost.
He does lose at the end... but at what cost. At. What. Fucking. Cost.
He literally destroys the world.
Zemo broke the Avengers in Civil War, thus causing them to lose when Thanos came to Earth in Infinity War. But as far as comics go, yeah it's Dr. Doom.
Probably Palpatine considering the events of RotS and some later stuff.
Thanos was pretty damn successful, and the Avengers had to pull time travel out of their ass to defeat him.
Thanos was pretty damn successful, and the Avengers had to pull time travel out of their ass to defeat him.
And they only manage to do so in one out of millions of realities
Every villain's plan is stupid. Otherwise they wouldn't be villains.
If anything, he would have been better off not forging the One Ring. In doing so, he created an Achilles' heel for himself, whereas without it, he would have remained completely immune to any harm to his great spirit. Enduring while the Elves departed Middle-earth and outliving Aragorn and his potential heirs, and the eventual decline of that particular bloodline would have served him better. He could still be around now in Tolkien's imagined history of this world as a politician or dictator.
Simon Gruber would have gotten away with well over $100B if it wasn't for that bottle of aspirin.
Lelouch Lamperouge
Edmond Dantes
Enrico Pucci
Ozymandias
Goku Black
Honorable mention to Palpatine who got to rule for 3 decades and come back, wipe out his arch-enemy's bloodline and ensure his bloodline steals their name and becomes the new Messianic bloodline for Star Wars
Edmond Dantes
Enrico Pucci
Ozymandias
Goku Black
Honorable mention to Palpatine who got to rule for 3 decades and come back, wipe out his arch-enemy's bloodline and ensure his bloodline steals their name and becomes the new Messianic bloodline for Star Wars