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Which scene was better, Goku going SSJ or Gohan goes SSJ2
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Gohan's transformation is good but it only really becomes special in versions where Unmei no Hi is playing.
Goku's transformation is always great in every version.
Goku's transformation is always great in every version.
Always the OG.
The whole fight with Frieza, losing Vegeta, Piccolo, Krillin, the buildup...phew. I remember losing my shit seeing Goku finally transform for the first time.
The whole fight with Frieza, losing Vegeta, Piccolo, Krillin, the buildup...phew. I remember losing my shit seeing Goku finally transform for the first time.
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They are both good but it's the build up with krillin and then the aftermath of goku actually looking angry at gohan for the first time being super serious and no longer fucking around.
Gokus
Gohan has a weakness as he has little to no investment with Cell and the stuff with 16 is weak.
Gohan has a weakness as he has little to no investment with Cell and the stuff with 16 is weak.
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It's a great visual motif but from a narrative standpoint it's completely lacking in tension or interesting imagery and character interaction. Just two characters standing and firing beams at each other gets boring fast. Gohan and Cell barely fight after Gohan turns SSJ2, Gohan gets a few licks in and then he kicks up 18. Compare it to Goku's fight with Freeza after he turns Super Saiyan, and how much they interact with each other both as fighters and characters. Granted, some of that is because Toriyama clearly had no idea where the Android/Cell storyline was going (even less than usual for him!) and landed on Gohan being the one to fight Cell even though they have zero interaction or pathos beforehand.
Goku going SSJ4
Okay nah but seriously as a lifelong Gohan fan, the first transformation is *the* moment, and Krillin's death was a much bigger blow.
Okay nah but seriously as a lifelong Gohan fan, the first transformation is *the* moment, and Krillin's death was a much bigger blow.
Goku hands down. It came first and the stakes/loss was much more palpable. Vegeta cried and died, Krillin gone. It was perfect. Can't remember very many times the next day at school when EVERYONE was talking about the same thing.
Pretty much, one of the reason why I'm pretty low on the Andriod/Cell saga along with other reasons
When you thought it was about passing the torch, it was obviously Gohan going SSJ2. Finally coming to his own, surpassing his dad, saving the planet.
Tough one
While I love Gohans moment, gokus moment was worth the wait all those years of watching him through DB and DBZ.
The moment krillin got killed, I was pissed for goku and then it happened. I was hypeeeeee
While I love Gohans moment, gokus moment was worth the wait all those years of watching him through DB and DBZ.
The moment krillin got killed, I was pissed for goku and then it happened. I was hypeeeeee
I fucking haten gohan, but ssj2 transformation was better.
Maybe I'm bias as I much prefer the cell saga over namek
Maybe I'm bias as I much prefer the cell saga over namek
Pretty hard choice tbh. I love the cell saga and the Gotham transformation so I voted that but both are fantastic.
Gohan's feels out of nowhere for how the hastily the Cell saga was written whereas Goku's transformation was built up the entire Namek saga.
The idea of Gohan's great is interesting but the narrative doesn't really back it up.
The idea of Gohan's great is interesting but the narrative doesn't really back it up.
literally the entire Z portion of the story built up to gohan going ssj2
which is why it should have ended there but alas
No lie.
Super was pretty inconsistent but this moment made my jaw drop.
Not really, if anything Z was the build up of Gohan's resentment towards his father and identity crisis as the role of earth's defender. Toriyama had to quickly throw in the Cell Jr's to create tension and force a transformation that, while a cool moment, feels entirely unearned and hollow.
Easily Goku. Gohan's transformation was sparked for a lame reason caused by his own inaction. Though I guess Gohan gets credit for doing what the villains couldn't really do and that's killing Goku.