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Which had the worst 3rd Cases - Ace Attorney 1,2,3 or Danganronpa 1,2,V3? (MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR BOTH SERIES)

Ace Attorney:

  • Ace Attorney

    Votes: 38 52.8%

  • Danganronpa

    Votes: 34 47.2%
  • Total voters
    72
TheGamingNewsGuy

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For those who are wondering about this. 3rd Case Syndrome is when the third case of any murder mystery game has a repuation of being extremely bad/questionable. It is infamous among the Ace Attorney Community as well as the Danganronpa Community that the third cases are the absoulte worst. So which game series do you think has the worst third cases - Danganronpa or Ace Attorney.

Ace Attorney:

Turnabout Samurai:
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Episode 3: Turnabout Samurai is the third episode of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. It revolves around a murder that occurs during a production of the fictional television show The Steel Samurai: Warrior of Neo Olde Tokyo. This case introduces the recurring Samurai franchise and features the first time Phoenix Wright and Maya Fey work together as an investigative team. It also features the first appearance of Will Powers, Penny Nichols, and the formidable Wendy Oldbag
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Turnabout Big Top


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Episode 3: Justice of All is the Third Case of Justice for All and involves the murder of the Ringmaster Jack Hammer. The person that was accused of the crime is Galactica - a stage preformer who was accused of murdering the ringmaster and now Pheonix Wright has to solve the case along with Maya Fey
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Recipe for Turnabout

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One month ago, former policewoman Maggey Byrde once again found herself on trial for a murder she did not commit. Accused of killing a computer programmer, Maggey was convicted after receiving a shoddy defense from an impostor posing as Phoenix Wright. Now, the real Phoenix demands a retrial for this case, and pieces together the truth behind this murder.
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Danganronpa

A Next Generation Legend! Stand Tall,Galatic Hero

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This case involves a complicated double murder of Hifumi and Taka whose body location moved around the area confusing the remaining students. Can they figure out this mystery before they all get executed
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Trapped by the Ocean Scent

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This case involved a double murder between Rockstar Ibuki and the Classical Dancer Hiyoko who may have been murdered due to a disease that was spreading around the island.Can the survivors find out this mystery?
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Tranfer Student from Beyond The Grave

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This case involves a double murder between the Artist Angie and the Aikodo Master Tenko. In this trial there was an attempted ressurction being preformed by the protagionsts only for it to go horribly wrong. Can they find out this mystery?
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KOfLegend

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Turnabout Big Top is a travesty. It's so, so much worse than everything else on here.

I actually quite like V3's case, aside from the S E E S A W E F F E C T of it all.
 
AnilP228

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Turnabout Big Top by such a mile. Honestly it's just the worst.

The ONLY redeeming factor it has is that the ultimate villian wasn't an obvious 'bad' guy.
 
Enduin

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Most will likely say Big Top, but I really dislike Recipe way more. Moe is annoying and all but Armstrong is not good and however fun Furio Tigre is doesn't make up for it.
 
Annabel

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Turnabout Big Top is the only one I could say is outright BAD.

I think in Ace Attorney's case the more accurate thing to say is that third cases tend to be filler-y and not related to the game's major story arcs. But that doesn't really make them bad, to me at least.

In Dangan Ronpa's case, I had already checked out of the series by the second game so to me the third cases are the least of those games problems lol.
 
404LinkNotFound

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Turnabout samurai is a great ,fun case and doesn't deserve to be there.
I also think Recipe for Turnabout is fun outside the dumb El Tigre imposter part
 
Kneefoil

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I dislike Turnabout Big Top for so many reasons and I have to deal with Oldbag in Turnabout Samurai. V3's case 3 on the other hand removes some of the worst characters from the game, and DR1 case 3 got rid of Hifumi.

The AA Trilogy's got the worse case 3s, for sure.
 
Crushed

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Turnabout Big Top's "solution" is maybe the most downright nonsensical Looney Tunes garbage I've ever seen, even by Ace Attorney standards. Even without the deliberately annoying witnesses in all three third cases, that alone qualifies it.
 
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TheGamingNewsGuy

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I feel Ace Attorney's biggest low (Big Top is worse) but it's highs (Recepie for Turnabout) is better then the Danganronpa Ch3 Cases
 
Jimnymebob

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I can't remember what exactly it was about it, but I remember having a big issue with either the logic or motive or something not making sense on Turnabout Samurai, so I'll say that lol.
I'm sure it did in hinsight, but I remember there being something that made me go "wait what???" but not in a good, the penny finally dropped, way.
 
Yata

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Turnabout Samurai is actually my favourite AA1 case, or at least the one I look the most fondly at. Recipe and all the DR cases are mostly engaging except for an obnoxious element that kind of ruins them at different levels. Big Top is the worst and most boring case out of these, it's not egregiously bad, but it feels like a complete waste of time.

I don't know, I think AA and DR are different enough to compare them like this because they focus on different things, so I would not be able to decide between the two series but Big Top is definitely the worst overall.
 
Grexeno

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The actual answer is Turnabout Serenade from Apollo Justice
 
Murlin

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Ace Attorney 4-3 blows all of them out of the water in terribleness. The defendant is so thoroughly unable to have committed the crime that the case should have ended on Day 1. But then you wouldn't get to watch that unskippable video of the concert every five minutes!
 
Grexeno

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Murlin said:
Ace Attorney 4-3 blows all of them out of the water in terribleness. The defendant is so thoroughly unable to have committed the crime that the case should have ended on Day 1. But then you wouldn't get to watch that unskippable video of the concert every five minutes!
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Don't forget that a magician never reveals his tricks, and not even courts can make him!
 
Apollo

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From worst to best: V3>DR1>AA1>AA2>DR2>>>>>>>>>>>>AA3.

Recipe for Turnabout is the best non-finale Ace Attorney case and I'll die on that hill. And the other third cases aren't even that bad tbh.

edit: best non-finale case the original trilogy, to be specific. DGS has some incredible ones I'd maybe rank higher, including potentially its case 3 which is phenomenal
 
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TheGamingNewsGuy

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Question, how could have Mikan did everything she did while in the Music Venunue in like 5 Minutes tops[/quote]
 
DrArchon

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Annabel said:
I think in Ace Attorney's case the more accurate thing to say is that third cases tend to be filler-y and not related to the game's major story arcs
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Yeah, for the vast majority it feels like you could cut them and the main plot wouldn't be impacted at all, though Recipe for Turnabout at least has
the bit about Godot not being able to see red.

Anyway Turnabout Big Top is fucking miserable.
 
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TheGamingNewsGuy

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DrArchon said:
Yeah, for the vast majority it feels like you could cut them and the main plot wouldn't be impacted at all, though Recipe for Turnabout at least has
the bit about Godot not being able to see red.

Anyway Turnabout Big Top is fucking miserable.
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I mean the 3rd cases in Danganronpa are also kinda fillery with only 2 really foreshadowing future events
 
Yata

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TheGamingNewsGuy said:
Question, how could have Mikan did everything she did while in the Music Venunue in like 5 Minutes tops
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The answer to this is that DR2's murder is one of the most rushed murder misteries in the series, and there were massive changes to the way it worked through development. Tons of plotholes, but at least it was enjoyable enough for what it was.
 
Doukou

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DangonRonpa.
Ace Attorney at least mixes it up more while DanganRonpa's 'pattern' for third cases makes them collectively worse.
Besides Recipe ain't that bad and Samurai added the Silver Samurai.
 
benbeau

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It's Big Top, but shout out to Apollo Justice's 3rd case.

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Haven't played v3 yet. Should really get around to it.
 
Pirate Bae

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It was stupid and I hated it. Knew who the killer was immediately.

Big Top isn't THAT bad c'mon
 
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TheGamingNewsGuy

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If you want a good example of a good Danganronpa Chapter 3 can try out Super Danganronpa Another 2's C3 Case when it finally gets translated and released in English
 
mrmickfran

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AA at least had The Rite for Turnabout in AA6, which is one of the best cases in the series. Turnabout Academy was pretty inoffensive too.

I hate all the Danganronpa chapter 3s so easy choice.

EDIT: Oh wow, it's right there in the title that you meant the first 3 games, I'm an idiot.

My point still stands. Danganronpa sucks
 

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Big Top is annoying, but Turnabout Recipe doesn't make any sense from jump. A Phoenix imposter is one thing to go with, but the fact that I'm to believe he actually repped someone in court is ridiculous.

Also, AA1 > AA3
 
PucePikmin

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Ace Attorney. I thought most of those Danganronpa cases were actually pretty good -- particularly the one from Danganronpa 1.
 

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TheGamingNewsGuy said:
Eh i feel Recipe is the best of the AA CH3 Cases from the orginal triligoy
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Samurai by a mile. The worse thing I can say about it is that the climax is anti climatic. But it established some good things before they all became tropes.

It was the first time they didn't show you to murder so I was generally wondering if my guy was innocent throughout. Samurai theme remains a series staple. I also just think it's an interesting case.
 
Apollo

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The Phoenix impostor thing is hilarious to me because of how ridiculous everybody's description of him was. They basically all admit he looked nothing like him, sounded nothing like him and acted nothing like him, but he had the spiky hair so they just went along with it
 
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Turnabout Big Top is an absolute dumpster fire but due to the way the case structure works in the AA series it was mostly self-contained and didn't have a knock on impact on the rest of the game, V3's case 3 was not only just as terrible but despite killing off some of the worst characters its stink still infected the rest of the game.

I didn't really have any major problems with any of the others listed, but DR2's third case is definitely worse than the other AA ones.
 

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Samurai by a mile. The worse thing I can say about it is that the climax is anti climatic. But it established some good things before they all became tropes.

It was the first time they didn't show you to murder so I was generally wondering if my guy was innocent throughout. Samurai theme remains a series staple. I also just think it's an interesting case.
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Samurai is fine but hard to replay since they moved onto a 2-day case standard. Goodbyes and Rise from the Ashes at least feel like they deserve to be long drawn out cases, but Samurai only really gets particularly interesting on the last day. Days 1 and 2 are just messing about with fetch quests and interrogating Oldbag and Hackins.
 
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