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Where the flying fuck is a Chrono Cross Remaster?
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I remember being I think 18 or 19 years old back in 2000 and playing this game for the first time and I liked it.
But I kept waiting for the actual Chrono Trigger style time travel to show up and it never really did since it decided to go in another direction. Because of that it was ultimately a disappointment because I kept waiting for a mechanic that never showed up. I still think I would have better memories of it if it never had the "Chrono" name.
But I kept waiting for the actual Chrono Trigger style time travel to show up and it never really did since it decided to go in another direction. Because of that it was ultimately a disappointment because I kept waiting for a mechanic that never showed up. I still think I would have better memories of it if it never had the "Chrono" name.
Chrono Trigger was an amazing game but sadly it sometimes makes people crazy because its somehow entangled with their childhood or something.
Cross is such an astonishing game that pushed the genre in every way regarding to pacing, story, non linearity, graphics and music. And its one of the top 3 soundtracks Square has ever made.
Cross is such an astonishing game that pushed the genre in every way regarding to pacing, story, non linearity, graphics and music. And its one of the top 3 soundtracks Square has ever made.
listen i just played like 3 hours of cross to remember that it's great and it's still great
FACTUALLY
also good god does the fps go down to like 5 sometimes
FACTUALLY
also good god does the fps go down to like 5 sometimes
I think this honestly hits on why the game is so polarizing(well, besides taking a dump in the original game).
For some people, story is the most important thing, and as long as the characters are slightly more than paper cutouts, they're happy. For others, the characters are what drive the story.
To me, a story with poor or barely there characters is a rudderless ship, just ambling about aimlessly on it's merry way, so I think rather poorly of the game, but I can see the appeal. Still think a remake of chrono trigger should be first if we're talking remakes.
This is most Chrono Trigger fans, they're just being toxic because they can't fathom a sequel being different.
The childishness on display from the community is astounding, and it happens in every thread. I wish they'd just go outside instead of starting an intifada in a thread talking about a remaster that is not addressed to them.
the story, music and art direction are fantastic
its the battle system, backtracking and useless characters that hold this game back for me.
tighter gameplay, more new locations in the back half and a smaller well defined cast and it would be up there with the best RPGs ever
its the battle system, backtracking and useless characters that hold this game back for me.
tighter gameplay, more new locations in the back half and a smaller well defined cast and it would be up there with the best RPGs ever
Yep. I still prefer Cross to Trigger.
A remaster would be great. Currently have it in my Vita.
Cross still looks excellent on the Vita. And one of the best OSTs of all time.
I wish I actually liked this game the way other people in this thread do, though. The battle system is interesting but too easy to really push you to dig into it and I found the story to be convoluted at best and incoherent at worst. Couldn't have cared less about most of the bloated cast either.
The game is obviously not garbage though and I wish people could express their dislike without hyperbole. It's also tiring that fans just assume that everyone that doesn't like Cross is some dumb Trigger fanboy that can't handle the differences/changes/new ideas. The fact that the game had such a unique identity and wasn't simply Chrono Trigger 2 was one of its best qualities imo.
I wish I actually liked this game the way other people in this thread do, though. The battle system is interesting but too easy to really push you to dig into it and I found the story to be convoluted at best and incoherent at worst. Couldn't have cared less about most of the bloated cast either.
The game is obviously not garbage though and I wish people could express their dislike without hyperbole. It's also tiring that fans just assume that everyone that doesn't like Cross is some dumb Trigger fanboy that can't handle the differences/changes/new ideas. The fact that the game had such a unique identity and wasn't simply Chrono Trigger 2 was one of its best qualities imo.
If they can remaster worthless garbage like Final Fantasy VIII, they can remaster Chrono Cross. Do it and give us an official PAL release, you cowards!
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we need a shitty remaster on steam that we'll mod to greatness, come on square, do your usual lazy work
Would be wonderful, but not expecting it, of course. Absolutely beautiful game.
And I see the usual discussions of all things Chrono Cross are happening in this thread.
Speaking of which, something that fascinates need is the talk of "useless characters" in the game.
And it makes me wonder.... Why is that something that Chrono Cross in particular gets so much flak for?
Like, I've broadened my gaming horizons since I was a kid, and have since encountered wonderful games like Suikoden I and II as well.
And, well, I'll be honest, I'm not familiar with the Suikoden community at large and what people in general consider the high and low points of the games...
But seeing so much ire at the "useless" characters in Chrono Cross, I can't help but wonder... What's the reaction to the 108 Stars of Destiny concept in the Suikoden games?
Because it seems similar concept to the "useless characters" stuff in Cross because while you can technically use most everyone in battle in Suikoden, a lot of them obviously aren't meant to actually be fighters.
But, y'know, it makes sense in Suikoden nonetheless not just because of the Stars of Destiny concept, but also because you're essentially forming an army in those games and keeping an army ready for battle requires more than just the fighters themselves, so it's all good.
So all this stuff about useless characters in Chrono Cross just forging their way into the party or whatever... Not being familiar with it, it just makes me wonder what people think of the Stars of Destiny concept in games like Suikoden and stuff like that, if the reaction is similar, or if the reaction more comes from it obviously being another large deviation from Chrono Trigger (something I technically only got around to playing myself for tye first time this month, though I've seen let's plays and speedruns of it much earlier).
Because as you can tell, I'm generally positive over the 108 Stars concept in Suikoden.
And as for the party members in Chrono Cross, I just think of it like this: Y'know how in many RPGs, love then or hate then, stuff like fetch quests and the like are a pretty common staple?
And y'know how sometimes you get a particularly ridiculous one, whether it's then wanting something 5 steps away from them, or the opposite, something totally convoluted and that requires waaaay more eddirt than it's worth for some silly little sidequest that just makes you want to scream "why don't you do this yourself, stupid NPC???!!!"
Well... That's pretty much how I've kinda always thought about the extra characters in games like Chrono Cross. That indeed, what if those NPC sidequest-givers, instead of expecting you to do all the work yourself, actually lent a helping hand as well and got their own hands dirty as well. Coming from other RPGs, I just found that concept neat, whether they were actually good or not was beside the point. Seeing them actually chip in for something they supposedly cared about (in a non-escort mission format anyway) was cool.
Then, again, I suppose another part of my perspective comes from how one of the first RPGs I personally played was, well... Pokémon.
And of course even if one only knows the absolute basics of Pokémon, that's likely to include how from the very first games in the series, there were already 100+ potential "party member options" so to speak and the simple fact of the matter is, even if one likes them for their aesthetics or whatever, most of them just... weren't that great at all, especially with a lot of the restrictions of the original games. And obviously your party members, being what they are in those games, aren't exactly ones for deep conversation or story either, to put it mildly.
So what I'm getting at is... It would be rather hypocritical of me to suddenly care about something like that in Chrono Cross, so it's no surprise I don't at all I guess. xD
Just my take on all that, but of all the criticism levied Chrono Cross's way, that's one of the most fascinating ones to me, so I hope that makes sense and someone gets what I'm getting at.
And I see the usual discussions of all things Chrono Cross are happening in this thread.
Speaking of which, something that fascinates need is the talk of "useless characters" in the game.
And it makes me wonder.... Why is that something that Chrono Cross in particular gets so much flak for?
Like, I've broadened my gaming horizons since I was a kid, and have since encountered wonderful games like Suikoden I and II as well.
And, well, I'll be honest, I'm not familiar with the Suikoden community at large and what people in general consider the high and low points of the games...
But seeing so much ire at the "useless" characters in Chrono Cross, I can't help but wonder... What's the reaction to the 108 Stars of Destiny concept in the Suikoden games?
Because it seems similar concept to the "useless characters" stuff in Cross because while you can technically use most everyone in battle in Suikoden, a lot of them obviously aren't meant to actually be fighters.
But, y'know, it makes sense in Suikoden nonetheless not just because of the Stars of Destiny concept, but also because you're essentially forming an army in those games and keeping an army ready for battle requires more than just the fighters themselves, so it's all good.
So all this stuff about useless characters in Chrono Cross just forging their way into the party or whatever... Not being familiar with it, it just makes me wonder what people think of the Stars of Destiny concept in games like Suikoden and stuff like that, if the reaction is similar, or if the reaction more comes from it obviously being another large deviation from Chrono Trigger (something I technically only got around to playing myself for tye first time this month, though I've seen let's plays and speedruns of it much earlier).
Because as you can tell, I'm generally positive over the 108 Stars concept in Suikoden.
And as for the party members in Chrono Cross, I just think of it like this: Y'know how in many RPGs, love then or hate then, stuff like fetch quests and the like are a pretty common staple?
And y'know how sometimes you get a particularly ridiculous one, whether it's then wanting something 5 steps away from them, or the opposite, something totally convoluted and that requires waaaay more eddirt than it's worth for some silly little sidequest that just makes you want to scream "why don't you do this yourself, stupid NPC???!!!"
Well... That's pretty much how I've kinda always thought about the extra characters in games like Chrono Cross. That indeed, what if those NPC sidequest-givers, instead of expecting you to do all the work yourself, actually lent a helping hand as well and got their own hands dirty as well. Coming from other RPGs, I just found that concept neat, whether they were actually good or not was beside the point. Seeing them actually chip in for something they supposedly cared about (in a non-escort mission format anyway) was cool.
Then, again, I suppose another part of my perspective comes from how one of the first RPGs I personally played was, well... Pokémon.
And of course even if one only knows the absolute basics of Pokémon, that's likely to include how from the very first games in the series, there were already 100+ potential "party member options" so to speak and the simple fact of the matter is, even if one likes them for their aesthetics or whatever, most of them just... weren't that great at all, especially with a lot of the restrictions of the original games. And obviously your party members, being what they are in those games, aren't exactly ones for deep conversation or story either, to put it mildly.
So what I'm getting at is... It would be rather hypocritical of me to suddenly care about something like that in Chrono Cross, so it's no surprise I don't at all I guess. xD
Just my take on all that, but of all the criticism levied Chrono Cross's way, that's one of the most fascinating ones to me, so I hope that makes sense and someone gets what I'm getting at.
My wishes for a remaster:
- Upscaled art and character models
- Rebalanced combat (original as an option.)
- Proper tutorials explaining the mechanics
- Party chat options that provide characterization and development to party members.
- Fix the arrangement of that god-forsaken battle theme. The Radical Dreamers version sounded better.
- Restore cut content
- I dunno, optional story changes. Retcon the controversial twists to be, like, an alternate timeline instead of fated canon.
UK here; game never came out over here and yeah a remaster (Or just something akin to FF8) would be awesome.
Chrono Cross actually was a Radical Dreamers remake initially. They just expanded it a lot, and a alot, and a lot...
They haven't even made a new port of the one most people like so I don't see the controversial one getting special treatment any time soon.
Solution, make a Chrono Collection.
Solution, make a Chrono Collection.
Chrono Cross is disappointing in my opinion. I would be okay if this game was laid to rest.
I would much rather resources to be put into a FF7 style remake that goes all out and expands the original game, or a spin off or sequel to Chrono Cross.
I would much rather resources to be put into a FF7 style remake that goes all out and expands the original game, or a spin off or sequel to Chrono Cross.
Miss me with how Square has been handling PS1 upscaling. Worst thing for a game of this gen is to upscale it with a ton of ugly blur and mismatched high-res 3D models.
If Square wants to do some decent integer scaling on the original I am interested, or some AI upscaling. Otherwise I'll stick to the original on my PS1 + OSSC.
If Square wants to do some decent integer scaling on the original I am interested, or some AI upscaling. Otherwise I'll stick to the original on my PS1 + OSSC.
My head canon will always be that I am Setsuna takes place in the same world as the Chrono games.
In Spain we can't, and we seem to be of the few people wanting it! Fucking Sony and its "lol spaniards be dumb and hate rpgs" attitude...
They'll never run out of ways to re-release FFIV for the millionth time!
DIfference is now they are releasing stuff on PC. They can't do their usual act of just re-re-re-re-re-re-releasing FFIV or FFVII for a new (console) platform and act like that is enough retro Squaresoft/Enix for that generation because PC's near-infiinte backwards compatibility. They need to start digging into their backlog of other games if they want to keep the PC/Steam retro moneytrain goin'
Let's not forget that FFVIII only got a proper remaster (well, as proper as you can expect from SQEX... >_>;) in 2019. If they drag their feet that long with Final Fantasy, it's not all that surprising that other franchises are taking their time. Though, to be fair, they have been releasing older games other than FF as well. Chrono Trigger got a steam release a couple of years ago, SaGa has gotten two excellent remasters, the latest of which was just a few months ago, Valkyrie Profile was ported to mobile (which should probably mean that somewhere down the line it'll at least get a PC port, if not consoles). Slowly but surely these games will appear somewhere. Hopefully on as many platforms as possible without years-long waits between mobile & console and/or PC releases (btw, WHERE THE FUCK IS VALKYRIE PROFILE OUTSIDE MOBILE PLATFORMS, SQEX, HUH?!?!?!?!?!?!).
