Obviously, the new trilogy is just an example of bad writing and rushed fan fiction. Utter trash imo Ofcourse.
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When you watched Return of the Jedi, did you think the Emperor had been defeated at the end?
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Apparently the name Sheev came as a suggestion from Lucas himself around 2014. Thanks for that one, Darth Icky.
Now I'm thinking back to the old days when people thought his name was Cos Palpatine, because in early drafts his name had been Cos Dashit (he was the shit!), so fans retained the original first name. That had been considered his first name for many years by fans until it was stated otherwise.
Ethril is rumored to have been very nearly included in the episode 1 visual dictionary but ultimately rejected. (Hint: It's an anagram of Hitler)
Dantius was a name some fan made up and spread around for a while that gained some popularity. No basis in anything.
Augustus was another popular fan name with no real basis as far as I can tell.
The first full name I remember ever seeing for Sidious was Cos Augustus Palpatine.
I move for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Sheev's name.
Literally any of these options are better than Sheev.
Now I'm thinking back to the old days when people thought his name was Cos Palpatine, because in early drafts his name had been Cos Dashit (he was the shit!), so fans retained the original first name. That had been considered his first name for many years by fans until it was stated otherwise.
Ethril is rumored to have been very nearly included in the episode 1 visual dictionary but ultimately rejected. (Hint: It's an anagram of Hitler)
Dantius was a name some fan made up and spread around for a while that gained some popularity. No basis in anything.
Augustus was another popular fan name with no real basis as far as I can tell.
The first full name I remember ever seeing for Sidious was Cos Augustus Palpatine.
I move for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Sheev's name.
Literally any of these options are better than Sheev.
Me in 2015: "Well, at least the Disney movies won't be as silly as the old EU. I mean, for God's sake, the EU had more (even bigger!) death stars that weren't called death stars when the second death star was already kind of dumb, and they kept bringing the fuckin' emperor back. Haha, at least that shit is behind us."
We all want to forget.
His real name is Frank.
Must be.
Bringing him back reeks of desperation. I'm sure we will hear how he manipulated snook or something.
That is what happens. The rebels win after a year or two of fighting the imperial remnants. It ends with the battle of jakku. We see the remains from that battle in TFA.
After that, the New Republic last for about 28 years until its crippled in TFA. The sequel trilogy is what happens 30 years after the New Republic won against the Empire.
The Resistance is Leia trying to stop the First Order by herself with only light support from the New Republic senate, because most of the New Republic doesn't believe the First Order is really that dangerous or that it is worth going to war with. And Leia was shunned politically when it was revealed to the entire Galaxy Luke and Leia were Darth Vader's children.
The First Order came out of some planets separating from the New Republic and joining the mysterious new militia that came out of the Unknown Region. I would've love for some of this to have been explained more in TFA, but whatever, the damage was done. TLJ does indeed do more to take the trilogy into more original themes and territory.
For obvious reasons, we couldn't have had the sequel trilogy just be the old cast as the main characters. For all the criticism Disney gets of banking on nostalgia (and for good reason) they made sure this new trilogy also had new characters younger and new audiences could relate to. And you need a real reason to come back to the universe with these characters and new ones, so you have them face a new or old threat against everything they worked for.
I never realized this but the super death star from TFA might be worse than the sun crusher.
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No body, no death. Those are the rules.
Also, Palpatine always struck me as Space Dracula, and we all know how hard that fucker is to kill. Just ask the Belmonts.
Also, Palpatine always struck me as Space Dracula, and we all know how hard that fucker is to kill. Just ask the Belmonts.
What's wrong with doing a New Republic versus Remnant storyline?
The Resistance is has been dwindled down to three figures, which will make their inevitable and improbable victory totally unbelieveble.
Eh, a franchise built on suspending disbelief of sounds you can hear in space has the full range to go all out ham with its characters and plots.
If Luke can suicide drop and catch with one arm the bad guy can go about his resurrection from a fall for the finale too.
If Luke can suicide drop and catch with one arm the bad guy can go about his resurrection from a fall for the finale too.
Ewoks were a huge contribution to the defeat of the empire....
And this technology was the New Republic vs remnant storyline, we arrived at the breaking point of escalation just like in ANH.
Order! Order! We must have order!
*remember when a lot of people though Terence Stamp was going to have some super cool role in Episode I, lol.
I think he was 100% dead, but they can say Snoke was a force clone, a manisfestation of his vanity, and a trick to survive death mastered by Plagius. His essense again released in a new clone body or something.
I would have preferred if the new trilogy was more stand alone and about how the children of the resistance confronted the past. Ren despite wanting too kill the past is stuck in the shadow of the empire and Rey and her generation represent jedis not bound by ancenstory but can learn from the failures of past Jedi.
A fight with Rey and Ren representing these two extremes, and I expect a emotional scene like Captain America choosing not to fight the Winter Soldier. I'd rather see Ren/Ben Solo leave the past alone, become a nobody that he exposed Rey for, and like his nameskeep the loner Ben Kenobi, he can help normal people on a more primative planet. I think this would be better and more cohesive to the themes, rather than potentially dying stopping the emperor again and a straight forward redemption.
I would have preferred if the new trilogy was more stand alone and about how the children of the resistance confronted the past. Ren despite wanting too kill the past is stuck in the shadow of the empire and Rey and her generation represent jedis not bound by ancenstory but can learn from the failures of past Jedi.
A fight with Rey and Ren representing these two extremes, and I expect a emotional scene like Captain America choosing not to fight the Winter Soldier. I'd rather see Ren/Ben Solo leave the past alone, become a nobody that he exposed Rey for, and like his nameskeep the loner Ben Kenobi, he can help normal people on a more primative planet. I think this would be better and more cohesive to the themes, rather than potentially dying stopping the emperor again and a straight forward redemption.
I mean we've all seen how force users "come back" -- as force ghosts
Soooo I guess they're going to have a force ghost Sheev affecting shit in the living world. Either by Poltergeist-esque shenanigans like how Yoda summoned lightning in TLJ, or by full-on Exorcist-esque possession.
It will, of course, be incredibly stupid. Like every other Star Wars movie for the last 40 years.
Soooo I guess they're going to have a force ghost Sheev affecting shit in the living world. Either by Poltergeist-esque shenanigans like how Yoda summoned lightning in TLJ, or by full-on Exorcist-esque possession.
It will, of course, be incredibly stupid. Like every other Star Wars movie for the last 40 years.
I guess they'll do their end game moment where the ghost jedis have to finish Ghost Palpatine off, with cameos from prequel Jedis as well. I think that's the kind of fan wanky, you tube reacts, mid night screening moments some fans complained Last Jedi didn't have enough of, even though it doesn't suit the idea force ghost jedis are meant to be at peace and pacifists.
Absolutely not, but I did wonder why the force ghost stuff only applied to Jedi. Still, it was obviously a book end for the character and I'm not sure anyone is going to be convinced with any explanation as to why he was brought back into the picture.
We'll get more hammy Ian McDiarmid scenes, at the very least.
Would've been cooler and a more natural continuation of the saga to bring Plagueis into the picture but alas...
We'll get more hammy Ian McDiarmid scenes, at the very least.
Would've been cooler and a more natural continuation of the saga to bring Plagueis into the picture but alas...
Remember when Disney nuked the old EU, and people were cheering them on, talking about how there was just too much silly stuff in the EU to keep it around, and that Disney was better off jettisoning all that baggage?
Makes ya think.
Makes ya think.
and now he's genuinely one of the best SW characters ever.
I assumed he had died, but I had never thought about it before it was announced that he was returning. If there is any character that I believe could and would return from certain death, it'd be ole Sheev. So I didn't question it at all when his return was revealed.
Because you should only be able to become one with the Force through actual enlightenment. Which you can't achieve through the Dark Side.
I always liked that concept, and it added dramatic irony to Anakin's fall, that the thing he was searching for (the power over life/death), the Sith actually are completely locked out from.
But eh whatever. Seems like whatever thematic beauty Star Wars once had is eventually just gonna get pooped all over anyway.
This is what is so outrageous. It would be one thing if Disney Stars were awful movies. They clearly are. But they have completely shit on the old movies.
Kyle Ren is set up as the big bad guy. Snoke was just space Voldermort and Rian Johnson made the right call. A first order being driven apart by like two wannabe supremacists who don't know what they're doing has more potential to be interesting and original. Even though Hux and Kylo are quite pathetic, it makes them more cowardly and loathsome.
Even with the ROS's writers decision to reuse Palpatine, it doesn't mean the set up of TLJ was bad.
It's almost like the character's entire pursuit was to conquer death :-/
With EVERYTHING we've seen force users do in the years since RotJ--ESPECIALLY Sheev--it's so easy to buy that he either survived his fall or has some tricky, death-defying plan. In fact, I think it helps his character--in retrospect, just being yeeted down a shaft by Suddenly Protective Papa is lame as hell. But grumble, grumble, ST complaining or some shit.
With EVERYTHING we've seen force users do in the years since RotJ--ESPECIALLY Sheev--it's so easy to buy that he either survived his fall or has some tricky, death-defying plan. In fact, I think it helps his character--in retrospect, just being yeeted down a shaft by Suddenly Protective Papa is lame as hell. But grumble, grumble, ST complaining or some shit.
Whether it makes sense or not that he lived or returns, Emperor Hambone will be the best part of this movie.
His death was right, he seemed to have an attachment to Anakin Skywalker, and seemed a bit protective when he found him in the volcano planet. That blind spot was his weakness. (And Vader might have been his force son)
Palpatine surviving the fall would be as laugthable as Number 2 surviving being incinerated in Austin Powers and only having a small scar. I guess they'll be some force or clone shenanigans and his spirit is released.
I think I first saw it when I was 5 in 89 so yeah. After that I always thought they'd do the prequels and then move on to original Star Wars movies by now. Woops.
Ah, nothing stimulates interesting conversation quite like thoughtless, regurgitated Youtube talking points.
Just answering the op's question. I don't watch youtube videos about Star Wars. I'm more into giant cysts being popped.
It's just pointless to view star wars as some coherent planned out thing.
Just slapping shit together and sometimes its fun sometimes it not, that's all it is. We might as well debate Zelda timelines if we are so deadset about giving meaning to something that has none.
Just slapping shit together and sometimes its fun sometimes it not, that's all it is. We might as well debate Zelda timelines if we are so deadset about giving meaning to something that has none.
The prequels are legit crap movies, these Disney ones are decently made and acted with some decent visual moments, but the story isn't very well thought out because Disney rushed the trilogy into production.