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When Sega took on Zelda, they really went for the jugular
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Yes Landstalker is a genuine masterpiece if you can get used to the high difficulty.
Some of the most insane dungeon design I've seen in an ARPG. I'm thinking of Mir's Tower and the Lake Shrine with 60+ rooms, many of which contained unique puzzles, all interconnected via teleportation pads. A completely different design philosophy to most Zelda dungeons, but really gave you the feeling of being hopelessly lost in a huge labyrinth. It's fantastic, I love it.
So, this week Sega should reveal the next batch of Genesis Classic games or what
I hope Soleil and Landstalker make it.
Currently playin Story of Thor and it's pretty solid
I hope Soleil and Landstalker make it.
Currently playin Story of Thor and it's pretty solid
It got great reviews by magazines when it came out but has been under talked about since.
Um no you won't. Unless you get a repro. The game is dumb expensive.
I'm extremely happy people are finally looking more into this game. I played a lot when I was a kid, granted it was not during the Genesis' heyday and it was via an emulator which is a little naughty, but still: absolutely fantastic game. Looking back, if they made this a little more open world like Link to The Past I actually think this would have been hailed as the superior game. I'd love to see a game that takes a lot of these same concepts and improves on it because as much as I love Zelda, this one just has some much stronger ideas. Also getting to the top of the Tower of Babel and actually getting to heaven? That was the coolest feeling a game has ever given me.
I remember reading about this game in a magazine back in the 90s - maybe it was Gamefan or Sega Visions or something like that. Always wanted to play it...I guess I'll give it a try. I love reading these threads, OP!
I wonder if this is a "Grand Theft Auto" situation where people just play games they find fun regardless of whether or not they would do the actions in the games in real life. Now, you're not hitting prostitutes with cars, but it's not really all that nice to kill vaguely-societal goblins, or even to say that "Moblins only rise to serve their evil master", is it? Not to mention both religious AND atheist people would have an issue with the religious themes ("Hylia doesn't qualify to be a true god"/"If Hylia is good, she'll won't mind if I opt out of the worship stuff")
She actually covered that in her eleven Sega Zeldas thread.
Wow people are taking this stuff seriously.
Last i heard Moblins were like orcs in LotR, they were created by Demise and attacked Hyrule on Minish Cap, they are more like fantasy monsters and less a race or civilization. Demise wanted the power of the Triforce to kill people and do evil things
I will remember this game as the last super hype vigil I held for a Genesis game.
After Ranger X, their previous game, I was looking forward to their next game and Gamefan was doing their best to make sure we in the West knew Centy was on the way.
Funny though, I had really stopped engaging on the whole console wars thing by the time Centy hit. I just remember enjoying it, short as it seemed. What did end up happening to Gau/Nextech?
After Ranger X, their previous game, I was looking forward to their next game and Gamefan was doing their best to make sure we in the West knew Centy was on the way.
Funny though, I had really stopped engaging on the whole console wars thing by the time Centy hit. I just remember enjoying it, short as it seemed. What did end up happening to Gau/Nextech?
Cant get over this gif.Sega may have gone for the jugular with all those Zelda-likes, but Nintendo was like
BTW I've loved every single "issue" of your Sega Obscura series. This is the kind of content I expect from professional gaming sites but seldom get. Amazing work!
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Hi all, thanks for the nice comments on the thread, really glad I was able to draw more attention to this fantastic game.
There's a few comments along these lines, so I'll try to clarify here. By "going for the jugular", I was trying to build on the point in the OP, that Crusader of Centy sought to challenge Zelda on a narrative and trope level - it deconstructed underlying assumptions about the Zelda formula, provoking questions as to the morality of the genre as a whole. It went for the jugular of Zelda, not Zelda's success - if that makes sense?
There's a few comments along these lines, so I'll try to clarify here. By "going for the jugular", I was trying to build on the point in the OP, that Crusader of Centy sought to challenge Zelda on a narrative and trope level - it deconstructed underlying assumptions about the Zelda formula, provoking questions as to the morality of the genre as a whole. It went for the jugular of Zelda, not Zelda's success - if that makes sense?
It's never been re-released. I imagine we may see it on the genesis mini.
The fact that we're getting Bloodlines on the Mini gives me hope for Crusader of Centy. I really hope they focus more on the rare/obscure titles that are a pain to find these days (especially ones that haven't been re-released at all since their original release), rather than the games we see on basically every Sega collection.
Apparently SEGA contracted this out to Nextech, a la Nintendo contracting out Minish Cap to CAPCOM.
Has SEGA rereleased any other contracted-out games, especially those that aren't in the Sonic series? I've the suspicion that it not having a personal attachment to any SEGA execs or teams who could reminesce about it may have led to it just staying on Mega Drive forever.
Has SEGA rereleased any other contracted-out games, especially those that aren't in the Sonic series? I've the suspicion that it not having a personal attachment to any SEGA execs or teams who could reminesce about it may have led to it just staying on Mega Drive forever.
Yeah, in recent years, Sega has re-released Genesis/Mega Drive games developed by Treasure, Westone, Ancient, Novotrade, Compile, etc..
Fantastic thread, as always, Mama Robotnik. These threads have had me discover games that would have never been on my radar otherwise, and I would have been worse off if that continued.
Zelda has never been about moral absolutism, except with Ganon as Calamity and the other incarnations of Demise. Even then, an aspect of Ganon, Gandorf, gets explored, light as it may be, as a character in The Wind Waker where it's revealed that his initial impetus to become the dreaded Bandit King during the Era of the Hero of Time was his jealousy of the Hyrulean's prosperity and good lands.
The idea that in the Zelda series there's even an inkling of a crusade against demons or monsters sounds... off at best. The setting of The Legend of Zelda is not like most (Japanese) fantasy-adventure settings, where there's regular subjugations of monsters or even a constant struggle against the untamed wilds or whatever.
IDK, I digress.
That's... not at all comparable. Hylia wasn't a thing during most Zelda games. The game that introduced Hylia even had a demon not being evil and just wanting to coexist, so that entire concept is bunk. And again, this is missing how Zelda titles, even Zelda titles that released before this game had monsters and demons interacting peacefully with your player character in multiple settings, from Moblins hiding in caves to friendly-ish Zoras trading flippers, from mischievous devils that do you favours in the guise of curses to Chain Chomps depicted as friendly pets.
Zelda has never been about moral absolutism, except with Ganon as Calamity and the other incarnations of Demise. Even then, an aspect of Ganon, Gandorf, gets explored, light as it may be, as a character in The Wind Waker where it's revealed that his initial impetus to become the dreaded Bandit King during the Era of the Hero of Time was his jealousy of the Hyrulean's prosperity and good lands.
The idea that in the Zelda series there's even an inkling of a crusade against demons or monsters sounds... off at best. The setting of The Legend of Zelda is not like most (Japanese) fantasy-adventure settings, where there's regular subjugations of monsters or even a constant struggle against the untamed wilds or whatever.
IDK, I digress.
Thank you OP for making me remember this game. I rented it many times when I was younger and completely forgot about it. It's time to track down this baby...