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I just rewatched the trailer and is he in a comatose state controlling some of those monsters, that's why he's being yelled at to wake up?

Probably far from it but he seems like a cool character.
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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I just rewatched the trailer and is he in a comatose state controlling some of those monsters, that's why he's being yelled at to wake up?

Probably far from it but he seems like a cool character.
He awakened Phoenix. People believe that these dominants can "turn" into an eikon.

It's hinted that Ifrit killed Phoenix, and therefore Joshua is dead.

PS: Joshua is also a reference to Vagrant Story's Joshua. He is also the son of a duke in this game

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tapedeck

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Oct 28, 2017
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He's just preoccupied with preparing for his turn to lead the Israelites..cut the man some slack.
 

Callibretto

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it's like jinchuuriki in Naruto manga, Joshua lost control of his tailed beast and transform into Phoenix, although in this case, Phoenix is beaten by even stronger summon, so ff16 main character Clive is telling Joshua to wake up and run away or something
 

Richter1887

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Oct 27, 2017
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Looked like he turned or awakened into the Phoenix. The reason they are saying wake up is because they want him to take back control or turn back.

That's how I saw it.
 

Strings

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Oct 27, 2017
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He dead



More like getting killed by the monster (Ifrit).

Joshua is the phoenix.
Eh, iunno. My money is on the overarching plot being about putting Joshua out of his misery. Even if he's being brutalised in the cutscene we saw... It's Phoenix. He'll come back more powerful or will be fated to come back more powerful or whatever.
 
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I don't think he is permanently dead. Seems a bit pointless to make the main character of your reveal trailer die at the beginning of the game.
 

Yuntu

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Joshua is not the main chracter of the trailer or the game.

Its very possible he is dead.
 

Modest_Modsoul

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He would be a bro-con character to Clive.

Not that I would mind. 🤭
 

Y2Kev

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, it's pretty clear that the in-game woman character we see, Rachel, wants to pursue him in a relationship but it looks like Joshua just got out of a serious relationship. They start engaging with each other based on clothes, but it's only clear once Rachel's friend (and former lover) gets engaged to his foreign girlfriend that she actually just wants to marry him to get back at her friend. So I would say there are many details about Joshua yet to be uncovered.
 

Nepenthe

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My gut is telling me that Joshua is heavily monitored and controlled by the court to the detriment of his quality of life, and the added stress of the invasion causes him to summon both Eikons or, perhaps, become more in control of Ifrit instead. The screaming honestly sounds like it's being directed towards Ifrit, not an unconscious Joshua or Phoenix, because you hear the character actually yell "stop!"
 
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My gut is telling me that Joshua is heavily monitored and controlled by the court to the detriment of his quality of life, and the added stress of the invasion causes him to summon both Eikons or, perhaps, become more in control of Ifrit instead. The screaming honestly sounds like it's being directed towards Ifrit, not an unconscious Joshua or Phoenix, because you hear the character actually yell "stop!"
This is the kind of quality response I was hoping for - thank you. What you are suggesting makes sense.
 

Nepenthe

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This is the kind of quality response I was hoping for - thank you. What you are suggesting makes sense.
I am unreasonably hype for the game at this point. Don't ask me why either lol; this would be my first Final Fantasy when I get my hands on it.
 
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I am unreasonably hype for the game at this point. Don't ask me why either lol; this would be my first Final Fantasy when I get my hands on it.
I'm nearly the same way - Final Fantasy VII Remake this year was my 1st Final Fantasy. I just started XV today and it's great so I'm all aboard the XVI hype train haha