What the hell is going on with Next Gen Consoles?

[RulkezX]

Both are playing Cat and mouse so one can have a mic drop moment



Real answer is I don't know

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I doubt either of them have a mic drop moments.

Both consoles are releasing with B Teir exclusives and the usual 3rd part fare thats also available of PS4/Xbox One.

Both are going to be as expensive as hell and neither company want the bad PR that comes with announcing the price first.

 

[aiswyda]

Price and launch date are not precised yet, which is frustrating, but it's pretty much expected to be 499 and in early november. If either of those predictions end up wrong, they'll be in trouble because they'll have failed expectations which is a very bad marketing position.

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This is where I'm at atm. Sure I would like info and a stable price, but in the absence of information, I think most consumers expect 499 / early November. If that's not the case, Sony and Microsoft are only hurting themselves by putting off the info. Longer time for people to cement their expectations (which, fairly, are not based in any evidence but largely seem to be what I've seen online), and if those expectations end up being wrong at the last minute, that's on Sony and Microsoft.

 

[Maverick-Swe]

Why is it so important to know the price of theses consoles 2-3+ months in advance? Please explain. There's literally no reasons to do this.

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Why do most people book flight tickets 4-6 months before departure for leisure travel? Weird question.

 

[Kyougar]

I find it quite strange that the people who are handwaving away the price and release questions because there is a global pandemic are adamant that the consoles will launch this year 100%, Pandemic or not.

Either the pandemic is impacting the industry or not.
Spoiler alert: It is impacting the industry and MS and Sony are too chicken to make the first move to delay the launch to 2021 which is safer for the workers (including delivery and retail) and it will be better for next-gen period, with less stress on developers to make the "launch window".

 

[Dphex]

It is impacting the industry and MS and Sony are too chicken to make the first move to delay the launch to 2021 which is safer for the workers (including delivery and retail) and it will be better for next-gen period, with less stress on developers to make the "launch window".

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Would be wiser anyways but i think they both make some kind of "sneak peek" early adopter launch with extremely limited quantities this year.

 

[Maverick-Swe]

There's no way ps5 will launch in 2021. Sony is running short marketing trailers for ps5 on YouTube and other medium.

 

[Duck-Zilla]

Why do most people book flight tickets 4-6 months before departure? Weird question.

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Lol what? Think about what you just said. Thats some great mental gymnastics here.

 

[Stinkinmushroom]

There is less than three months left and no damn thing is mentioned. Nothing.

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Can we stop with this hyperbolic shit?

What had been shown:

- Games for 1-2 years
- Console design
- Console specs
- Controller
- Release window

What has not been shown:
- UI
- Price
- Launch date
- Launch games

Take a chill pill and let them announce things when they wanna announce things.

I don't see anyone screaming for the price of the next iphone? And that will come out waaay before the PS5.

 

[Nexus2049]

Why do most people book flight tickets 4-6 months before departure for leisure travel? Weird question.

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Because flight prices go up the closer to the date, and flights fill up quickly. Next.

 

[HououinKyouma]

I'm off the PS5 train until next year to be honest. Too many unpredictable things this late in the game.

I doubt I'd even quality to preorder one anyway lol.

 

[Dphex]

I'm off the PS5 train until next year to be honest. Too many unpredictable things this late in the game.

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What kind of prediction do people need? release date, price, launch games, that is all what matters.

 

[Karlinel]

Can we stop with this hyperbolic shit?

What had been shown:

- Games for 1-2 years
- Console design
- Console specs
- Controller
- Release window

What has not been shown:
- UI
- Price
- Launch date
- Launch games

Take a chill pill and let them announce things when they wanna announce things.

I don't see anyone screaming for the price of the next iphone? And that will come out waaay before the PS5.

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You are mostly right, but the iPhone comparison isn't fair, since it's their MO and kind of their "signature". And anyways, everything is leaked 6 months in advance.

 

[Sense]

Nvidia's strategy of announcing hardware and announcing prices at the same time seems to be doing wonders for them. If Sony capped the big reveal they had the other day with a price and preorder announcement sales wouldve been through the roof. MS couldve done the same with their reveal and that couldve helped them too but they hype is much lower right now.

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To be fair, they were trying to get ahead of leaks because at the end of the day, games need to be made on these machines and devkits have to be sent to devs ahead of time unlike nvidia which doesn't have to worry about such things with gpus

 

[MrFox]

What's funny is right now is looks like Sony is ever so close to the price n pre order part. I think they are gonna go first.

MS still has to market the Series S. The longer the wait, the worse it is for MS.

I think Sony is trying to figure out the PS5DE price.

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Good point, we don't even know officially if the S exists at all. The power and price point of the S would affect whether Sony will accept to take a loss on the DE edition. And Microsoft would like to know if Sony will take a loss on the DE for the same reason.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Jimbo and Phil shaking in their boots after that Nvidia show. Now they have to delay and upgrade their GPU's to be at least 15 TF or they are both DOA.

 

[NinjaScooter]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the consoles (aside from obvious Covid19 related disruptions). I think the problem is a lot of enthusiast gamers' total inability to deal with change or when things don't go the way they always have.

Is it possible that these companies aren't giving us pricing information and release dates in June just like they did 7 years ago because that was 7 years ago and marketing strategies and expectations have changed? No no there must be something wrong clearly they need to delay these products.

 

[Maverick-Swe]

Because flight prices go up the closer to the date, and flights fill up quickly. Next.

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Incorrect. Stats show lowest prices are usually available 60 days prior to departure. Yet most people purchase their tickets way earlier.

People want to plan their purchases ahead. Two months notice is not normal for a product most of us buy once every 7th year. Think outside the box.

 

[RedHeat]

I think people just need to learn to wait. Does it matter if you get preorder today or a week from the launch? I have ~$700 saved up and I'll buy the thing when it's available.

 

[Uzupedro]

I think people are overreacting too much with this whole ''Silence=Doomed'' thing, maybe is just me since I'm not an early adopter, but I remember vividly when Sony was in complete silence and people assumed that it meant that something was wrong and Sony would be left back by MS, and wee all see what happened,
it didn't change shit for them, why would be different now? Until we are 3~4 weeks before launch there is no need to be worried.

 

[8byte]

I don't know why these threads keep popping up.

There is a global pandemic killing thousands of people daily.

People are working from home.

Working from home presents a lot of difficult challenges, logistically, and hampers efficiency.

This isn't rocket science. They'll show you when they show you. There is nothing nefarious going on.

 

[Falchion]

I'm more concerned about the lack of gameplay we've gotten running on next gen hardware. There's been some, but not much.

 

[Jmdajr]

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[platocplx]

I think people are overreacting too much with this whole ''Silence=Doomed'' thing, maybe is just me since I'm not an early adopter, but I remember vividly when Sony was in complete silence and people assumed that it meant that something was wrong and Sony would be left back by MS, and all see what happened,
it didn't change shit for them, why would be different now? Until we are 3~4 weeks before launch there is no need to be worried.

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yeah the doom and 599 stuff is going to be laughable come november.

 

[RocketKiss]

we're in a pandemic bro.

 

[J_Viper]

 

[Deleted member 76299]

It's not a game of cat and mouse... we are in a pandemic and depending on country, launches will probably have to be changed. i don't expect launch info and price until 3/4 weeks before they intend to launch.

For a comparison, look at the LOUP2 launch. Now imagine launching a new console with loads of games. I mean MS is basically launching a system with no games.. that isn't what they wanted to happen at all.

Once again, it's not cat and mouse. They are trying there best to not let fans down.

 

[Nexus2049]

Incorrect. Stats show lowest prices are usually available 60 days prior to departure. Yet most people purchase their tickets way earlier.

People want to plan their purchases ahead. Two months notice is not normal for a product most of us buy once every 7th year. Think outside the box.

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Well I guess that depends on area/airline. Most flights I've booked tend to get more expensive the less seats become available.

But in any case, its not like the price of the console is going to fluctuate beyond an extra $100 than you may be planning to spend.

In that case, you either:

1. Don't buy the console at launch and wait for a sale
2. If getting it at launch is that big a deal, suck it up and spend the extra $100

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[Mahonay]

Something tells me we'll survive this.

It's fine.

 

[Otheradam]

Nvidia and Apples approach only works because they announce something and its released in 3 weeks. Sony and MS announce these consoles one way or another a year+ before release so it feels like its dragging and people are getting annoyed.

 

[jelly]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the consoles (aside from obvious Covid19 related disruptions). I think the problem is a lot of enthusiast gamers' total inability to deal with change or when things don't go the way they always have.

Is it possible that these companies aren't giving us pricing information and release dates in June just like they did 7 years ago because that was 7 years ago and marketing strategies and expectations have changed? No no there must be something wrong clearly they need to delay these products.

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Yeah, probably just this.

 

[MrFox]

Something tells me we'll survive this.

It's fine.

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Yep. And the gaming industry itself is going very well in terms of sales, it's just a few minor delays and the complexity of production because of covid-19.

 

[nextgeneration]

I'm more concerned about the lack of gameplay we've gotten running on next gen hardware. There's been some, but not much.

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Yup, same here. With everything that we know so far/everything that's been shown, I'm of the opinion that both camps are struggling to get games finished/finalized by release, which is why so few games have been shown with any extended amount of gameplay.

 

[DrDeckard]

What's funny is right now is looks like Sony is ever so close to the price n pre order part. I think they are gonna go first.

MS still has to market the Series S. The longer the wait, the worse it is for MS.

I think Sony is trying to figure out the PS5DE price.

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I think the reality is, all it takes to market a product now is a well made x amount of minute keynote video.

Sony did one in June and that's it. Ms can literally do one for the series s and thats tada product marketed and unveiled.

Sony have proven that you don't need intense deep dives, product tear downs, images of the rear of the box. Just unveil the product and you are pretty much golden.

The reality is neither if them wants to go first but they will have to at some point. I don't know who's is in the worst position. The market leader with a massive install base of potential users or the one in last place trying to gain market share. That platers big ganes have all been on pc for peak this year so... I dunno lol.

 

[AGN]

It is odd.

I'm ok with it though. iPhones are announced with price and then released a few weeks later. Honestly, I feel like Sony is just waiting for MS to make a move. To be honest, I am too. I'm really curious what the Series S. If it was to be launched with the X, I would think we would have had more leaks. I'm wondering if they are considering pushing it back to launch next to Halo so they can draw in the casual crowd.

 

[jroc74]

I think the reality is, all it takes to market a product now is a well made x amount of minute keynote video.

Sony did one in June and that's it. Ms can literally do one for the series s and thats tada product marketed and unveiled.

Sony have proven that you don't need intense deep dives, product tear downs, images of the rear of the box. Just unveil the product and you are pretty much golden.

The reality is neither if them wants to go first but they will have to at some point. I don't know who's is in the worst position. The market leader with a massive install base of potential users or the one in last place trying to gain market share. That platers big ganes have all been on pc for peak this year so... I dunno lol.

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Sony are also giving ppl reasons to be excited for next gen besides console specs.

The PS5DE is just the PS5 with no disc drive. Not entirely the same thing as the Series S. MS can't just say here you go, enjoy.

MS gets props for the deep dives, Sony gets props for next gen marketing.

 

[thisismadness]

Nvidia and Apples approach only works because they announce something and its released in 3 weeks. Sony and MS announce these consoles one way or another a year+ before release so it feels like its dragging and people are getting annoyed.

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Nvidia's and Apple's approach works because it works. Sony could wait until November 1st to say anything and they'll still sell every unit available and not a single soul will care that they had to wait.

 

[Loud Wrong]

I just want the peace of mind of knowing I have a launch PS5 preordered. The rest is gravy. Thick delicious gravy.

Nvidia and Apples approach only works because they announce something and its released in 3 weeks. Sony and MS announce these consoles one way or another a year+ before release so it feels like its dragging and people are getting annoyed.

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It works for them because they release a new one of whatever it is every year.

 

[Otheradam]

Nvidia's and Apple's approach works because it works. Sony could wait until November 1st to say anything and they'll still sell every unit available and not a single soul will care that they had to wait.

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I agree with you. I'm just explaining why some people are annoyed at them not announcing any details so 'close' to release when traditionally we would have known all this stuff by E3. I personally would rather the Nvidia/Apple/Nintendo approach of announcing stuff closer to release. i hate publishers announce games that are 2+ years away.

 

[Dunlop]

What has not been shown:
- UI

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Xbox UI has been shown in depth, there is a thread about it here somewhere

 

[Vulcano's Assistant]

Console and GPU markets generate different reactions when new products are announced. It's not that comparable because consoles not only get revenue from other than the hardware itself, they also have exclusive games in order to move said hardware, so they can announce a new console months in advance to generate hype around the brand.

In the other hand, the last thing NVIDIA wants is to generate hype for a product that people cannot buy for months in advance. That's months were enthusiast will stop purchasing the current line, months were hardware sales go down without another source to back it up.

 

[Stoopkid]

Incorrect. Stats show lowest prices are usually available 60 days prior to departure. Yet most people purchase their tickets way earlier.

People want to plan their purchases ahead. Two months notice is not normal for a product most of us buy once every 7th year. Think outside the box.

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what's so hard about just setting money aside on your own?

 

[SpecDot]

I think they're taking the smartphone approach. Announce the thing, show the price, pre-orders open that Friday, and the console drops a week from that announcement. Turns the box into an impulse buy for early adopters.

 

[thisismadness]

I agree with you. I'm just explaining why some people are annoyed at them not announcing any details so 'close' to release when traditionally we would have known all this stuff by E3. I personally would rather the Nvidia/Apple/Nintendo approach of announcing stuff closer to release. i hate publishers announce games that are 2+ years away.

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Honestly, those people are just impatient. As soon as the info is out there they'll be satisfied and forget about it. Whether something is announced days/months/years ahead of time just isn't the big deal people here make it out to be.

 

[RROCKMAN]

$699 USD

 

[Moai]

Yeah this is getting kind of stupid. I was looking at my amazon orders and i found my ps4 preorder. It was made on june. Thats threer months earlier that this generation.

 

[Canucked]

I no longer thing they're playing "who is cheaper" chicken. And there will be no mic drop. To have a mic drop they're gonna need to be great prices and sorry but everyone is gonna be let down by that. You can't have a mic drop at over 499.

Right now they wanna see how high each goes to see what they can get away with. But expect 499 for the cheap units.

 

[AllBizness]

Jimbo and Phil shaking in their boots after that Nvidia show. Now they have to delay and upgrade their GPU's to be at least 15 TF or they are both DOA.

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Sarcasm aside this is the smallest PC/console gap in history. Nvidia best card is $1500 and is only 3 times faster then Series X. These next gen consoles aren't weak little bitches not by a longshot. Hate the drastic comparisons being made between them and the Nvidia cards it's so cringe.

 

[RedMercury]

They know their prices will be high especially in a time when so many people are out of work or struggling, nobody wants to be the first to get the heat.

 

[MrFox]

I no longer thing they're playing "who is cheaper" chicken. And there will be no mic drop. To have a mic drop they're gonna need to be great prices and sorry but everyone is gonna be let down by that. You can't have a mic drop at over 499.

Right now they wanna see how high each goes to see what they can get away with. But expect 499 for the cheap units.

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Well if one annouces at 599, surely the other can get a mic drop moment at 499.

 

[tok9]

Yeah this is getting kind of stupid. I was looking at my amazon orders and i found my ps4 preorder. It was made on june. Thats threer months earlier that this generation.

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That was 7 years ago. This is the thing I genuinely do not understand. How people expect things to be the exact same.