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What If...? |Spoiler OT| Groot Was One Of Us?
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I guess what gets confusing is several black widows are used and so it's going to be hard to figure out which one is the one we are seeing when they ultimately form up avengers style. Multiple black widows?
I can't remember if they all died or not except the last one lol
I can't remember if they all died or not except the last one lol
This will be the only Black Widow. The only notable one was from the Hank Pym episode and she died.
Lol the shang chi one is horrible. U need a 6th figure from some other franchise and the dude you build is from I don't even know where
People want to create some kind of infinity stone logic based on the fact that they don't work at the TVA.
Magic also doesn't work at the TVA and that's why it doesn't make any sense to make up some infinity stone logic based on how they work at the TVA.
The TVA is a place where certain powers just don't work in order to protect the TVA.
i didn't 'want to create' anything, i was referencing a comic book thing and I was curious after Loki if that's what they were doing. That's about it. In any case, much of our TVA explanations are assumptions anyway as much of it is still unknown.
Yeah, it's more of a consequence of marvel not doing their diligence in expanding female members of the team across their movies. Sure, every hero has one or two women in their movies, but they don't necessarily migrate to the avengers. So basically, it's a massive dude population, and even of it isn't fridging, killing 2 female characters when they're like 10% of the cast isn't great
This episode was fucking awesome, watched it twice so far. This veered into some top tier anime shit, even better. Like season 1 OPM, taken to the next level. Straight comic book shit, I love it.
Damn, I want Capcom to make a marvel super heroes 2 sooooo bad right now.
Damn, I want Capcom to make a marvel super heroes 2 sooooo bad right now.
we want the episode to be longer lol. when I watch youtuber reaction of these episodes, I've seen many of them think it's too short and they want more time each episode. I guess it's a good sign that people really do enjoy these disney+ series
The animators went ham on this episode. And yeah, I'd love to see Capcom take a stab at this style.
methinks next season will cut down on the brevity. but I agree with you.
I would still liked to have seen ultron vs thanos, but thanos just became a jobber
Dude pretty much is a jobber in the comics. In the movies he would have his ass kicked too (e.g. Scarlet Witch almost winning if Thanos wouldn't have sacrificed his army).
No he wasn't lol
I'd rather they not have Thanos in than the showing we saw here tbh
I didn't take Thanos is getting owned like that as jobbing. I took it as, oh shit, Ultron is on some shit, homie! Haha. In my mind, Thanos is so damn powerful from the MCU, he ain't shit to this Ultron.
And you guys are right, there needs to be an episode with Hulk going nuts next season.
And you guys are right, there needs to be an episode with Hulk going nuts next season.
Hopefully we get the feat where he holds up a mountain from the old comics.
I want him to punch a tsunami back or pull together a fault line, haha.
Dude was almost killed by fucking mushrooms. I know what you mean, but modern Thanos is not like the old one.
Legends figures bug me because there's always an off theme figure in the cycle. Why is Sylvie here? They could have done Hydra Stomper (maybe that's a candidate for a build a figure), Yellowjacket Pym, Party Thor, Red Guardian Natasha, Clinter Soldier, a bunch of other Zombie characters, etc.I guess that's one way to get people to buy all the figures.
Typically the stones/gems are tied to that particular universe. When the Illuminati tried to use them to fix the Incusions they all got murked.
I wasn't really bothered with it, though I'm interested to see his interaction with the TVA.
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There are a few things locked down from these series - Thanos is a jobber and Iron Man has to be killed lol.
That's the same for all Legends toys. They did the same for Hulkbuster etc.
Yep its like the always gotta throw in some rando lol
Unless Sylvie is about to show up next episode
Hulkbuster is the only excuse i can except for someone having a Thundra figureThat's the same for all Legends toys. They did the same for Hulkbuster etc.
Yep there is an issue if the MCU is apart of the Marvel comic multiverse still, as you stated they are not supposed to work. My point was mainly in response to darkseid using the stones in the DC reality which is even more divorced from the Marvel multiverse, as at least the concepts of the stones exist in most of the alternate universes in Marvel.
My only way to explain it is that Ultron being an almost physical incarnation of the mind stone has found a way to circumvent their usual limits (again assuming the comic rules still apply). As we already know a set of infinity gems can work from an alternate timeline, if at least the split has not separated enough from the parent reality (aka endgame). Also at one point those multiple sets of gems across the multiverse came from one original point. All the gems in that way across the multiverse do have a common origin at the beginning of the multiverse and have merely been subdivided across all other realities. Maybe his AI allowed him to trace the programming and makeup of the gems to that origin point.
Also the watcher was surprised by Ultron, which gives the impression the gems were not supposed to work. Essentially Ultron should of insta died when he broke through, as the mind stone is at that point a key part of him. An instant turn off of that gem would killed him like the vision was killed by Thanos. But as he said, everything is possible in a multiverse. Something else is going on.
I disagree. The Avengers created several new timelines simply by traveling to the past. And to me, those new alternate timelines are just parallel universes to the main universe. The Watcher was probably seeing what was happening in each of the alternate timelines as well in his multiverse observatory as they are all alternate realities, just like each episode of this show. And that's why the stones still work.
I think if an MCU character traveled to a universe that wasn't parallel to theirs, say to the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man universe or the X-Men universe, that's when the infinity stones wouldn't work. Because those universes aren't parallel to the MCU's, they're distinct timelines of their own.
I'd say the biggest problem with the show overall is the pacing. The fact that each episode is meant to be based on an alternative take on a previous MCU installment, each of which is feature length yet every episode is relatively half an hour long is a major problem. the episodes should have been 45 minutes each, at least.
in the case of this episode I certainly think that there should have at least been a fight scene comparable to one from the movies especially since Thanos had acquired the majority of the stones at that point.
Whether or not taking the stones creates another timeline doesn't change the fact that they just travel to their own past in the same reality to obtain them.
There's no "fight" between Ultron and Thanos when the later has 5 of the 6 Infinity Stones. One-shotting Thanos before he has a chance to do anything was the only plausible way Ultron could ever emerge victorious in that scenario, disappointing as that may be.
I'm not saying it changes that fact, I'm just saying once they leave they time travel, they're no longer in their own observable universe
The MCU's been quite clear that there's no such thing as traveling into the past of your own reality, all time travel is multiversal travel.
there is no "their own past in the same reality" with the method of time travel used in Endgame. Hulk explains it pretty clearly.
They are traveling to the past in another universe that follows the same timeline. not returning the stone at the moment it was taken would have splintered it off into a separate, doomed timeline. but it is still not the same "reality"/universe.
it's a victim of "hey it's a cartoon" just make it 30 minutes.
I bet writers wanted to flesh it out, but they are working within the constraints, and Thanos dying is just a plot device to move the story. Fighting him doesn't really bring anything new. He will just die at the end
I wonder if they'll cross into the cinematic universe. Didn't Spider-Verse have a cut after credits scene where they end up in the live action universe for a bit?
They talked about using the live-action actors for a scene, but that idea was nixed early. (They also wanted at one point to have Maguire play Peter B. but that was also nixed pretty early.)
Hulk said it was a separate universe? I don't remember that.
It's always gonna be tricky because the words "timeline", "universe", and "reality" can be used to mean slightly different things, while also being used interchangeably in other contexts. And it doesn't really behoove anyone to sit down and clarify what is what, or delineate those terms further.
People really getting hung up on what is time travel or multiverse shenanigans huh? It's always dependant on the writer at the time. Everything is canon until the moment another writer 5 years says nah. Marvel is going to be one of those things where you just sit back and try not to make it all fit. There is no grand plan.
he specifically said "it's not our past it doesn't work that way," the whole argument he was having against Back to the Future time travel theory with Scott means it's not their universe in the past.
So they can go to any other universe's past but not there own? How does that make sense?
that's exactly what his argument is. you cannot travel to your own past with this method of time travel. They're simply navigating through the Quantum realm to end up at a specific time, but that is a different universe upon the point of entry. Even if he's come up with a method to prevent a timeline split in that universe.
Now, there are other methods of time travel in the Marvel Universe that could allow one to travel to their own past, but Hulk's theory of time travel via Quantum realm doesn't account for that.